'The traditions which ye have been taught'

Discussion in 'Doctrinal Discussions' started by Complete, Jan 16, 2016.

  1. While indeed there can be the metaphorical meanings behind the word of God, yet, in Jesus, there is actual miracles and manifestations of the power of God, which is why it draws men to Him. I've been healed - genetically - and my wife has been healed, so they are real physical manifestations of God's power. Prayer is speaking in the physical to the spiritual to effect the physical. Don't spiritualize everything or you'll miss out on the miraculous! :)
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  2. I do not limit what God is capable of in any way. That would weaken my Faith and make me a non believer. I didn't mean to sound as if that was the case.

    Thank you for your response.

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  3. You can preach the Word but in word only . But it is like tryign to cut down a tree with the handle of an axe.
    Paul came not in Word only but also in the power and annointing of the Holy Spirit .
    an altogether proposition.
    The unclean spirit in the man who had no doubt sat week after week in the synigogue of Capernium was quite comfortable whern the word was preached or spoken in word only.
    But when Jesus came in the annointing it was put under so much pressure it revealed itself and the man was delivered .
    Prayer may well start in the flesh or physical but must soon move into the spirit and you cannot worship God in the flesh but in Spirit .

    In Christ
  4. That man in the synagogues had never known that healing was possible. He lived in the world in which he experienced his life. Indeed like far too many in the church are just as comfortable in their beliefs instead of the power of God, which even worse, most have never experiences. Dead most are at worse, perpetual babes at best. It is very sad they don't believe the word of God.
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  5. "Ye have by your traditions made the Word of God of none effect " That is what Jesus said.
    It is" the annointing that destroyeth the yoke" that "opens the eyes of the blind"
    This is what is sadly lacking in the pulpit .
    But we cannot go from one extreme to the other .
    and neglect the Word of God and go and seek POWER !!!!!!!!!
    For the eternal resting place of the Holy Spirit of God is the Holy Word of God .
    You cannot excercise authority unless you are in submission to authority . (see Roman centurian)
    People want POWER!!!!!! but are not in submission to God .
    Others want POWER!!!!! but only to "lord it over the flock" and to perform and seek but their own glory .

    Jesus had both the power and the authority because he came from God and not in His own name .
    "He that speeketh of himself, seeketh his own glory,but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true and there is no unrighteousness in him " John 7:18

    He had authority and was able to excercise that authority because he was himself subject to the Father and the Holy Spirit.
    If any man today wished to have authority if eh is a true BORN child of God he already has authority ,But the power to excersise it he must needs be also subject to the Holy Spirit and be filled and led by Him.

    That the man with the unclean spirit was able to sit in 'church' for so long and nopt be too much if at all 'troubled' was the fault of the church and any unclean spirit or person that is comfortable in church says much about the 'temprature' of the church .
    A church is not to be user friendly of the wicked .
    Where they may feel right at home.
    The gospel does not make bad men good .It makes dead men live .
    Nor is the church a haven for the weak.
    The church is or should be where the weak are made strong. The blind to see (spiritually above all else) and the lame to walk .
    and where GOD has HIS needs met FIRST .
    For is it not written "seek ye FIRST the kingdom of God and HIS righteoeusness...."
    What is called the Lords prayer has our needs over half way down the prayer list!
    But the church has the idea that it is 'after me you can go first'
    The man with the unclean spirit did not know about healing or deliverance but then there is no indication that he wanted it .
    An unclean spirit is an offence against the Holy Spirit of God .
    as it is against the will fo God for any man to have in them.
    The whys and the where fores of that situation is pure conjecture . The thing to focus on is that as soon as the annointed man came in the unclean spirit had to go .

    in Christ
  6. Amen! I am right there with you.
  7. #27 Major, Jan 25, 2016
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    Abdicate. Don't you think it is a little challenging to say that because some of us do not accept the theology you expound that we have not experienced the power of God in our lives?????

    I have seen miracles as well as you have. I gave seen healing from God just as you have.

    Do you in some way feel as though we are inferior to you spiritually based on what you have seen and experienced. I know already that you will not accept this but That is exactly how you are coming off here.
  8. It seems to me that there is nothing inappropriate in seeking miracles for the proper purposes for which they are given by God which is to confirm the truthfulness of the gospel message, to bring help to those in need, to remove hindrances to people’s lives, and to bring glory to God.

    For sure, miracles still happen, and Christians should avoid the two extremes of seeing everything as a miracle and expecting one when demanded and seeing nothing as a miracle.

    Personally, I fail to see how that thought relates to a loss of power or authority in the lives of believers.
  9. It is not the GIFTS of the Spirit that determine anything .It is the fruits of the Spirit by which we are known .
    Thus a man may have the wisdom (gift)to understand all mysteries but if he has not love (fruit) HE is nothing.

    If I can speak with the languages of angels but have not love I am nothing .

    It is having the character of Christ that should be paramount for we are to be made conformable to Christ .
    If then we add to our faith virtue and to virtue ..... and to and to...
    We are getting somewhere.
    Of our own selves we can do nothing .
    We are ordinary men and women , vessels of clay .
    The pots at the wedding feast were ordinary pots .
    The water was ordinary water .
    The servants were ordinary servants .
    ALL of it was ordinary even the wedding .
    What was extra ordinary was the glory of God that was manifested when the Lord changed the ordinary water into wine.

    At what point did it change I wonder?
    When they poured it out at the table?
    Or when they carried it to the table?
    Or when they filled the jars from the pots?
    Or when the earthen vessels were filled to the b rim?
    The servants did not taste it before they poured it out to the lord of the feast .
    So on the face of it that took a bit of courage for as far as they knew they were giving the lord of the feast water .
    But when it was tatsed and found to be far better wine than was given as the beginning the lord of the feast marveled ,But the servants knew from whence it had come .
    I fear we are too focused on looking for a miracle than doing what the Lord says .
    Do what ever the Lord commandeth thee.
    They were good servants and did as they were told.
    They did not bicker about it .

    in Christ
  10. Does a father love his new born baby more or less than his 50-year old adult child?

    Rom 2:11 (KJV)
    For there is no respect of persons with God.
    If it can happen to one, it can happen to all.

    1Tim 6:6 (KJV)
    But godliness with contentment is great gain.​

    Eph 3:19-21 (KJV)
    And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Unto him [be] glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
    1Cor 4:20 (KJV)
    For the kingdom of God [is] not in word, but in power.​

    There will forever, be more to God than we can imagine and He wants to be a part of our lives and give us more and more but it must be done in faith.

    Heb 11:6 (KJV)
    But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.​
  11. The same power that conquered the grave lives in us. It isn't any different than the power that was given to the apostles.

    Romans 8:11a
    The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you.

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  12. Do you really think that Jesus only healed metaphorically? Of course He didn't.
  13. No, most definitely not. I cannot surmise as much, nor can I limit the abilities of the pure lamb wholly under the direction of GOD. I was speaking of those in Crist after the resurrection of the one true pure Christ, fully of the Holy Spirit. The apostles and body of Crist. The ones whom by way of Jesus the Christ abided by what was placed in their heart through the Holy Spirit.

    All thanks is to GOD.

    Peace, with humility.
  14. The same Spirit that worked His wonderful works of healing and raising of the dead after Jesus' ascension works through followers of Christ today. Nothing's changed.
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  15. I think, based on the word of God, that those without blemish in the Holy Spirit by way of Christ in utter adherance of the Holy Spirit would have the renewing power of the Holy Spirit by the will of God. But that isn't to say that any have realized that since the first born of God, the Christ.

    But the kicker is that we know that we will be deceived by one who brings miraculous signs.

    I personally can only go off of the word of God placed on my heart. Knowing of the deception that will come, I nearly have to. Yet still if any are actually without waver in Crist then they aren't able to be lead astray, so I guess any can be tricked at this point, but that won't always be the case.

  16. It is foolish to take any one verse and make an argument solely on that one verse.
    God is no respecter of persons as to judgement For God iis neither moved by riches or poverty but will always make righteous judgment. Romans 2:11 has to eb taken in context of what goes before and after it.
    "Tribulation,and anguish,upon every soul of man that doeth evil, Of the Jew first and also of the gentiles;but glory and honour and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first then the gentile; FOR THERE IS NO RESPECTOR OF PERSONS WITH GOD (be he Jew or gentile) for as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law ;for not the hearers of the law are just before God,but the doers of the law shall be justified"
    The whole verse makes quite a bit of difference .
    In truth did not God have respect unto Abels offering and had no respect for cains?
    Do you think God makes no difference between Paul say and the repentant thief?
    Not in judgment and salvation none. But in works and life the rewards are quite different .
    Did no the Lord separate Peter ,James and John from the rest of the disciples ?
    There commitment was more wholehearted and their walk was much closer to the Lord thus they saw and heard things the others did not and when in the garden of gethsemanee they "went a little further " too
    The Bible is full of people God had respect for and others he had none .
    and you can see why.
    Ahab and Jehospehat is a very good example. and it was because Jehosephat had done so much good (in Gods eyes)before that his life was spared .
    Be careful who you align yourself with and seek a unity with when it is at the expense of truth .

    God is a respecter of persons
    They that honour me I will hnour says the Lord.
    It follows that they who do not are not.

    in Christ
  17. Every single born again person is considered holy and pure without blemish in God's sight because He sees them through the blood of Jesus.

    That is not a given.

    Deception is always out there, but we are warned to NOT be deceived, and we have the ability to not succumb to deception as we abide in the vine, Jesus Christ. I don't worry about future things that I may or may not encounter. In Christ, my way is clear, and my times are in His hands.

    Be positive and encouraging!

    1 Thessalonians 5:11
    So encourage each other and build each other up, just as you are already doing.

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  18. #38 popsthebuilder, Jan 26, 2016
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    I agree, but there are too those who hear the word of GOD and turn away, or those who see his signs and toss them behind his back in disregard or out of greed. These aren't holy. Any who professes with their mouth but not their actions is not holy.
  19. #39 Euphemia, Jan 26, 2016
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    Why do you think that people who make mistakes and lack discernment aren't holy in God's eyes? If they are His, they are holy, despite your sensibilities about that. Not every believer (and there are millions of us!) is fully mature.

    Be careful of judging. You can only view the outside, but God looks on the heart---always.

    If you are referring to unsaved people, they are walking in deception. We need to model Christ and speak of Christ to them. Speaking of signs and pointing them out (what signs do you refer to?) is pointless with the spiritually blind.
  20. I'm not speaking about those who have yet to have been saved, nor am I judging any past what I judge myself. I am speaking of people who know the word and direction of GOD yet actively choose to go against his will. These people are spoken of in scripture and are blasphemous. I'm not speaking about someone who is ignorant or lead astray. Nor am I speaking of any faithful to God.

    Maybe I have gotten off topic. We seem to be talking about two different things.


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