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The Coming Of The Son Of Man....

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Wheelz, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. The church is and has been in tribulation for many false Christs (anointed ones) and many false prophets who covet after other’s “gold, silver and apparel” lead MANY astray from having love for one another and into denominations of envying, strive and hatred of one another. They do not spare the flock.

    They remove the “daily” sacrifice (having love for one another as He loved us and gave His life for us as a sacrifice) from us so that His LIFE will never appear in OUR MORTAL FLESH. They lead many into idolatry for many serve the lusts of men who go after the things of this world as they suppose that GAIN IS GODLINESS.

    They want bigger church buildings, bigger congregations, bigger ministries, bigger bank accounts, etc….etc…..etc….etc….and they instill these idolatrous things into their congregations hearts as they take what they want through covetousness (the abomination of desolation) using feigned words as they make merchandise of them. They suppose that gain is godliness.

    But the mercy of God shall cut short these days….for there would be NO FLESH SAVED. We are saved by His grace. He sends us the Light...His knowledge.

    The LIFE of Jesus is not appearing in our mortal flesh because of the false prophets and their deceptive, flattering words that make merchandise of us.

    The “gospel” is hid to them that are “lost”…that is, they are PERISHING (lost) from off this earth as the “god of this world” has blinded their minds to His knowledge as they serve their own bellies and not our Lord Jesus Christ. They perish without truly knowing what the Lord has done for us.

    They say “Lo, here is Christ or there”….but we are not to believe it….for Christ is within us, the hope of glory. We are hoping that His life within is to be revealed in our outer mortal flesh...the glory. The coming of the Son of man is like the “lightning” that shines from the “east” unto the “west”.

    Christ is the LIGHT that shines within our hearts…for God commanded the Light to shine out of the darkness and it shines FIRST WITHIN OUR HEARTS. The Light shines in the “east”….the rising of Light within our dark hearts.

    2 Corinthians 4:3-12 KJV
    (3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
    (4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
    (5) For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

    The Light rises in the "east"....shining in our hearts...

    (6) For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
    (7) But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
    (8) We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
    (9) Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

    The Light within us shall also shine in our mortal bodies as His life within us also will eventually appear in our outer flesh. The word “manifest” = “to render apparent, SHINING”. The shining goes from the heart and shines unto His life appearing outwardly.

    (10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

    (11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

    (12) So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

    The “lightning” comes out of the “east” and shines unto the “west” as the Son of man….the life of Jesus… appears in our mortal flesh. The word “west” means “sunset, TO SINK”. We are to “SINK INTO” …putting on…the “NEW” man. The deceiver and the antichrist deny the Jesus comes in our mortal flesh.

    Matthew 24:
    (27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    Wherever the “dead”, lifeless body is without His life appearing in the mortal body, there the false Christs and false apostles gather together who deny that Jesus comes in our flesh.

    (28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

    We are FIRST renewed in the spirit of our mind…..the Son of man shines from the “east” within….

    Ephesians 4:
    (23) And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

    And we are also to “put on”…that is, SINK INTO…the “new man” in our mortal flesh by being righteous and having true holiness. The Greek word for “put on” means “to sink into”. The sun "sinks" in the west.

    The sun shines from the east to the west….the “lightning” shines from the east unto the west. The Light shines within our hearts first…the east…. and the life of Jesus shall then shine unto the sinking of us (putting on) into the new man....the west.

    “Put on” = “TO SINK INTO”.

    (24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
    (25) Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

    The “sun” sinks in the “west”. We are to “sink into” the new man without sinning in our wrath…LET NOT THE SUN GO DOWN upon your wrath.

    (26) Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

    Christ, who is our LIFE, shall appear in our mortal flesh (the Son of man) if we do mortify our tongues that are upon the earth where there is covetousness, envying and strife.

    When His life shall appear in our mortal bodies, we shall appear with Him in glory. Christ IN US, the hope of glory. We are hoping and expecting His life to also appear on the outward, renewed man…the new man..that we “sink into” as if putting on a white, clean garment.

    Colossians 3:2-10 KJV
    (2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
    (3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
    (4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
    (5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
    (6) For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
    (7) In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
    (8) But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
    (9) Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

    We are to put on (SINK INTO, the sun shines unto the west) the NEW…the youthful…which is RENEWED in KNOWLEDGE after the image of Him who created Him.

    (10) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

    False Christs and false prophets have us wandering around looking for Christ…. when He is truly within us and also is supposed to appear....to SHINE... in our mortal flesh. Christ IN US, the HOPE OF GLORY.

    Matthew 24:22-28 KJV

    (22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    (23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

    (24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    (25) Behold, I have told you before.

    (26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

    (27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    (28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
  2. They way the church is becoming, I hope Jesus returns soon.
  3. Way to long for me to read. So much for advice.
  4. Note: long post...

    The Son of man…the LIFE of Jesus… is to finally appear in our mortal flesh in the here and now after we have heard the Word of Truth and believed in it (doing it) and have departed from those who are living in error of the Truth.We are to set our affection on things above….that we hear in our ears: His words of life and spirit.

    Colossians 3:1-10 KJV
    (1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
    (2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
    (3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

    So when Christ, who is our life, shall appear (as He will appear in our mortal flesh as well as our hearts), we shall appear with Him in glory so that we may bring glory to God in this dark world.

    (4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

    But the “tribes of the earth” will NOT deaden their tongues which are upon the earth. Instead, they will speak against the preaching of Jesus…who is the sign that shall be spoken against. The sign of the Son of man in heaven shall be their evil response to what they will hear in their unbelief. They will be ashamed of His words. They will “mourn” what they will hear for they will not believe.

    “heaven” = the air that words travel through. We shall hear their evil responses and threatening as the thoughts of their hearts shall be revealed at the hearing of the Word of Truth.

    He that is of God shall hear us and those who are not shall not and will behave accordingly for they will show no love towards the person who will preach Jesus. The Word shall have no place within their hearts (having no love) and this will be immediately apparent by the opening of their mouths and the evil words that will come out of them into the open expanse of “heaven”. Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall be made accountable in the Day of Judgment. Why wish for the Day of the Lord for it will be dark for any one who will obey unrighteousness as they will treasure up wrath and indignation that will be revealed.

    (5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
    (6) For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

    But we, who were once a part of them in their churches, are to no longer walk with them. We are not to be partakers with them in their disobedience and they will think it strange that you will no longer participate in their religious things. Your faith shall be tried as a fiery trial by those who will refuse to hear and believe and they will speak evil of you for leaving as an “evil doer”.

    (7) In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
    (8) But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
    (9) Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

    We are to “put on”….that is, to “sink into”…the NEW man as if sinking into a garment. We are to be transformed into His image. His life shall appear in our mortal flesh so that we do not decay toward the grave but shall have an age-lasting life in the here and now.

    (10) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

    Many just will not believe in the Truth and be saved. They will have the form of godliness (believing that God raised Jesus from the dead) but will deny its power in their own lives.

    They will have believed in vain as they will perish away quickly to the grave as they will love to persecute those who will believe. They will forsake others to gather together in the Truth as they will exercise their authority over their congregations.

    Hebrews 10:24-27 KJV
    (24) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
    (25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

    For if we sin (speaking evil) willfully after we have received the FULL knowledge (epignosis) of the Truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

    (26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    (27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    They will despise government as Korah did and will not die the common death of all men but will suffer the “second death”. We are to depart from the tents of the wicked men who will reject the Truth with evil speaking…despising the authority of the Lord over them. The tongue is a fire which shall set the whole course of nature on fire. The normal course shall of life/death be altered dramatically as they shall not die the common death of all men but shall be one of sudden destruction. We are warned.

    Numbers 16:26-33 KJV
    (26) And he spake unto the congregation, saying, Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be consumed in all their sins.
    (27) So they gat up from the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, on every side: and Dathan and Abiram came out, and stood in the door of their tents, and their wives, and their sons, and their little children.
    (28) And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.

    (29) If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me.

    Jehovah shall make a “new thing”…which in the Hebrew is a “new creation”. They will not inherit the earth ….for the earth shall open her mouth and swallow them up. They shall have sudden destruction as they will go down quickly unto the grave.

    We are to FEAR God and keep His commandments and not provoke Him with evil speaking, grumbling and despising His authority over our own thoughts and ways.. His thoughts and ways are higher than ours.

    (30) But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.
    (31) And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them:
    (32) And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.
    (33) They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.

    They will take pleasure in their unrighteousness as they will persecute us for believing….but we are not to render evil for their evil. If we suffer with Him, we shall be also glorified together with Him.

    Romans 8:16-19 KJV
    (16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
    (17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    For the sufferings of the present time by the unbelievers of the churches shall not be comparable to the glory which shall be revealed in us as we shall be manifested to all of the creation as his Son. We don't "die and go to heaven" as popularly taught...but instead stay in this earth being manifested as a son of God.

    (18) For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
    (19) For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

    The preaching of Jesus in sincerity shall be for a sign which shall be spoken against so that the thoughts of men may be revealed.

    Luke 2:34-35 KJV
    (34) And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
    (35) (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

    They shall “mourn” as the high priest who rent his clothes at the hearing of Jesus. They will not want to hear it and will consider it “blasphemy” and will persecute. As they treated the Master, so shall the pupil suffer.

    Mark 14:61-65 KJV
    (61) But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
    (62) And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
    (63) Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?
    (64) Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.
    (65) And some began to spit on him, and to cover his face, and to buffet him, and to say unto him, Prophesy: and the servants did strike him with the palms of their hands.

    They will “rage”…as a raging sea…and will imagine vain things and will threaten any who will preach Jesus. They will gather together against the Lord and His Anointed…but we are not to return evil for their evil.

    Acts 4:23-31 KJV
    (23) And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.
    (24) And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
    (25) Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
    (26) The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
    (27) For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
    (28) For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
    (29) And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
    (30) By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
    (31) And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

    The Son of man comes in the “clouds of heaven”. These are NOT literal clouds but the cloud of witnesses of the Scriptures who are witnesses of the life of Jesus as they do speak of Him.

    Matthew 24:30 KJV
    (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    The Son of man….the life of Jesus… shall appear in our mortal flesh. We shall preach the Word of Truth for others to hear. The words that will come out of our mouths will be the “holy angels”…the holy messengers of the Truth…as we preach the words of the biblical saints as interpreted by our Lord in the Holy Spirit. In the standing up (the resurrection), we shall be as the messengers (angels) of God. We shall know the Scriptures...preaching them... and the power of God which will keep us living in the here and now. We shall no longer be "married" to the strange doctrines of Babylon...the flattering tongue of men.

    Matthew 22:29-30 KJV
    (29) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
    (30) For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

    The Lord interprets the words of the cloud of witnesses…but some will be ashamed of Him and His words.

    Luke 9:26-35 KJV
    (26) For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
    (27) But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
    (28) And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.

    We are to be transformed into His image…transfigured…by fulfilling the Law and the Prophets. It is no coincidence that Moses and Elijah also were there with Jesus upon the mount of transfiguration talking with Him. The fulfilling of the Law and the Prophets (having love for one another) shall be revealed outwardly by our transforming into His image so that we may glorify God.

    (29) And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
    (30) And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

    They spoke of His “decease”. The Greek word here is “EXODUS”. It is an EXIT that we are to accomplish…coming out from among the unbelievers of the churches and dwelling in peace with each other (Jerusalem). We are to awake from our heavy “sleep” and see His glory.

    (31) Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
    (32) But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.

    We are to EXIT from those who are living in error of the Truth….from those who do not know what they are talking about…having no true knowledge.

    We are to hear Him and come out from among them….and not stay “here” . It is not good for us to stay put in our churches…the “tabernacles” set up by men who know not whom they worship. They know not what they are talking about…having no knowledge.

    (33) And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.

    We are surrounded by the cloud of witnesses. Let us fear God and keep His commandments.

    (34) While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.

    We are to hear the Son today so that we might be His sons and daughters.

    (35) And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

    His knowledge….the Light…is come into the world. He that believes not is condemned ALREADY as they are perishing away in the mortal flesh that decays away to the grave. We have to DO what He says: have true love for one another. This is NOT a suggestion but the commandment of life. Do these things and LIVE.

    John 3:18-21 KJV
    (18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    (19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    Everyone that will do evil hates the Light. They will reveal what is in their hearts by how they respond to what they will hear.

    (20) For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    But those who will do the Truth (having love for their brothers who will share the knowledge of God with them), comes to the Light that their deeds may be MANIFEST. How? By the life of Jesus appearing in their mortal flesh. Their deeds shall be manifest for all to see as they shall have “eternal life” in the here and now.

    (21) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    We are to entertain “strangers”…for they might be the messengers of God. He that will hear us, will be hearing Him.

    Luke 10:16 KJV

    (16) He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
  5. My dear brother.......you will probably not get too many responces on such long posts.
  6. Wheelz, what's the point?
    You have put an awful lot of effort and time collecing a host of unrelated bits of scripture to try to convey what?

    And please let your response be 100 words or less. You don't get brownie points for filling pages with unnecessary text.
  7. Dear brothers,

    Before I respond I implore to let us remember to have love for one another as He loved as and gave His life for us. This is keeping His Word.

    John 8:51
    Young's Literal Translation
    verily, verily, I say to you, If any one may keep my word, death he may not see -- to the age.'

    What I have been trying to say is that the “eternal life” is NOW. If we keep His Word (to truly have love for one another), we shall not see death….to the coming Age. We shall have an age-lasting life in the here and now…one that will be without our mortal bodies breaking down and deteriorating to the grave (PERISHING). We shall NOT PERISH with what men call “old age” as they break down as they draw nearer to the grave…. but we shall have a strong life to the coming age if we do His Word and live and have an inheritance in the coming Age.

    We are counseled to choose life and not death. Death is death. The Son was sent into this world so that THIS world could be saved. It is condemned already for all are dead already. Jesus did not come to this world to take us out of the world but to keep us from its evil. The wages of sin are death. What comes out of our mouths (sin) is what defiles the “man”…our mortal bodies…and not what goes into the body.

    Our sins are remembered in our bodies as we are judged by Him. They stay there and cause us to “age” and deteriorate. We physically change as we wither away like an old fruit…wrinkled and in bad shape and then eventually die and our spirit goes back to God who gave it. This is PERISHING. We are to remember our Creator while we are young…before the “evil days” come upon us. For the young will follow their hearts but the Lord will bring every thing that is done into judgment. (Ecclesiastes 11:9). Since judgment does not come immediately, the hearts of men become fully set to do the evil within them. (Ecclesiastes 8:11).

    But our Lord is the Way, the Truth and the Life and whoever shall believe in Him shall NOT PERISH but shall have an age-lasting life….in the here and now. If we believe and DO what He says (change our minds and be converted), then we can expect to see the appearance of His Life in our mortal flesh in the here and now. Jesus will come quickly…in our flesh. Our sins will be blotted out as our mortal bodies shall be transformed into His. The times of refreshing shall come from the presence (the FACE) of the Lord who shall remove all of the physical ailments and wrinkles of the judgments that came upon us for our sins.

    Acts 3:19-21 KJV
    (19) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
    (20) And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

    The “heaven”…the air in which words travel…must receive Him until the restitution of all things. We hear Jesus being preached in our ears….some of contention…others preach Him sincerely. Jesus is preached nonetheless in our hearing (the heaven). But we are to BELIEVE and REPENT (change our minds) and be converted back to Him (doing what He says) so that He shall be sent to us (His life being manifested in our mortal flesh.

    (21) Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

    Our mortal bodies are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds so that we may PROVE what is the good and complete will of God. By being transformed into His image, we show the rest of the world what it means to DO His will as we become a new creation in Christ. The glory of God shall be revealed as His life is manifested in our mortal flesh. We become “saved” in body, mind and soul.

    All have sinned and all have fallen short of that GLORY OF GOD. We must acknowledge our sins. We can not live in denominations who fight and war with each other and are living according to the covetousness that is hidden in men’s hearts. We must come out from among them and DO His commandments so that the times of refreshing shall come to us in the FACE of the Lord.

    Look in the mirror…for Jesus shall come quickly in our mortal flesh if we DO what He says…. and we are to mirror His life to the outside world as our sins are blotted out and we become a church without spot nor wrinkle because we DO His commandments and will have this kind of life in the here and now.....one that the world will sit up and take note of. Christ IN us is the hope of glory...His glory...as His life shall appear in our mortal flesh for all to see as we become His living epistle known and read of ALL men.

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