The Change to #108

[Musicmaster]

We sometimes encounter small statements with HUGE implications that, although historic and therefore nothing new to our awareness, the change made even more concrete the dogmatic attack upon the written word of God that Paul said, with emphatic strength:

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The weakness some may point to in that text is Paul's use of the word "profitable." If something is profitable, then there MUST be room for things line tradition and oral instruction under the auspices of divine authority through special revelation ONLY to the speaker.

That traditional teaching also has shoddy holes in it own visage! It leaves no room for verification, no checks and balances. It never points to what is stated in 1 John 2:26-27. As a matter of fact, I fully believe it's an intentional avoidance for anyone to be encouraged to seek out the Lord Himself for validation of what they hear, and much less what they read.

Read the change that has been made to #108:

108. The first part of this paragraph is to be changed to read as follows:

"Still, the Christian faith is not a 'religion of the book.' Christianity is the religion of the 'Word' of God, a word which is 'not a written and mute word, but the Word which is incarnate and living."'

The undermining of that which is "...profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:," how the Bible is so easily maligned with undercurrents of mistrust of even instruction for righteousness, it all goes a long way to showing to us why so few ever really study that Book. How can anything that meets the standard for "instruction in righteousness" ever be so maligned, relegated into the gutters along the placid roadway of subjective reasonings and declarations that have no acid test for having truly come from the Lord Most High?

Folks, this isn't just about one particular religion, or even a group of religions, it drives home the necessity to go to the Source! THAT is relationship! THAT is trust! THAT is the practice of Truth-seeking! The Source is identified in 1 John 2:26-27.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Here's another one:

398. Change the third sentence from "Created in a state of holiness " to "Constituted in a state of holiness."
Thus the third sentence will read:
"Constituted in a state of holiness, man was destined to be fully 'divinized' by God in glory."
Dictionary.com defines the term "divinized" as:

verb (used with object),div·i·nized, div·i·niz·ing.

1. to make divine; deify.

Folks, we are NOT destined to become deified! That being a false teaching from its very foundations, I would have understood the origins of this if it had only come from Mormonism's doctrinal foundations, but would never have expected it to arise from within the RCC doctrines.

It is in vain that the scriptures anywhere reveal to us that our being made righteous brings us anywhere near being of the stature of deity!

Thoughts?

MM

 

[bobinfaith]

We sometimes encounter small statements with HUGE implications that, although historic and therefore nothing new to our awareness, the change made even more concrete the dogmatic attack upon the written word of God that Paul said, with emphatic strength:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The weakness some may point to in that text is Paul's use of the word "profitable." If something is profitable, then there MUST be room for things line tradition and oral instruction under the auspices of divine authority through special revelation ONLY to the speaker.

That traditional teaching also has shoddy holes in it own visage! It leaves no room for verification, no checks and balances. It never points to what is stated in 1 John 2:26-27. As a matter of fact, I fully believe it's an intentional avoidance for anyone to be encouraged to seek out the Lord Himself for validation of what they hear, and much less what they read.

Read the change that has been made to #108:

108. The first part of this paragraph is to be changed to read as follows:

"Still, the Christian faith is not a 'religion of the book.' Christianity is the religion of the 'Word' of God, a word which is 'not a written and mute word, but the Word which is incarnate and living."'

The undermining of that which is "...profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:," how the Bible is so easily maligned with undercurrents of mistrust of even instruction for righteousness, it all goes a long way to showing to us why so few ever really study that Book. How can anything that meets the standard for "instruction in righteousness" ever be so maligned, relegated into the gutters along the placid roadway of subjective reasonings and declarations that have no acid test for having truly come from the Lord Most High?

Folks, this isn't just about one particular religion, or even a group of religions, it drives home the necessity to go to the Source! THAT is relationship! THAT is trust! THAT is the practice of Truth-seeking! The Source is identified in 1 John 2:26-27.

MM

Good morning, Musicmaster;

Your message is spot on and I agree. I'd like to share profitable from another angle with my intention of aligning what you are sharing.
For example,

2 Timothy 3:16, 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - KJV

1 John 2:26-27, 26 I write this to you about those who would deceive you; 27 but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him. - RSV

Both of these passages are profound in the walk of a discipled Christian. Profitable is God's glory and this comes with deeper digging of the Word. God's Word is tested and proven true. Profitable is when the disciple gains and applies the tools of wisdom, discernment and can explain the Gospel in love to the unlearned and rebel.

The poor teaching (skimming through the pages, avoiding Biblical teaching, lack of prayer for wisdom and knowledge of continuous study) develops a darkened spirit of blowing one's own trumpets, fixation, obsession, mindless debate and "losing the listener," just to defend one's manipulation of the Bible. The nice guys can even do this. But at the end of the day this is unprofitable. It takes away God's glory.

But the Profitable disciple can discern this quickly and is equipped to refute or rebuke as needed. I believe, though Jesus is the Gate, He also sends us to protect His sheep reference John 10:7-10.

I feel this is the point of your thread.

God bless you, MM, and thank you for sharing.

Bob

 

[Musicmaster]

Amen, Bob, and amen.

More expansively, any system of teaching that undermines the written word, or even tries to add to it oral traditions and dogma, that's where they run aground because of their thinking that they can possibly add to the "...instruction in righteousness ." There is no degree of righteousness. One is either righteous or unrighteous, just like a woman is either pregnant or not pregnant. There are no degrees of pregnant in between the two realities.

Mankind has occupied himself far too long thinking that he can add virtue or vital substance to the written word of God, as if he has somehow dredged up all the depths of God's written word there is to be had, and that by adding to it, he's allegedly adding richness when in reality he's adding doctrines of demons...wrapped in the shiny and glittery packaging of religious fervor.

No thanks. The very word of God is too deep for anyone to have exhausted the depths.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Here's another one:

1014. They added the word "ancient" before "litany of the saints" so that the paragraph begins as follows:
"The church encourages us to prepare ourselves for the hour of our death: in the ancient litany of the saints, for instance, she has us pray:"

See that? someone came up with the idea of making an appeal to antiquity to try and make it sound more noble.

Sorry, but when the dogma itself is false, then so is trying to make it sound like it came from ancient Israel or just from earliest Church history! False is false, no matter from what timeframe it originated! Salvation, as taught by Christ and His apostles, is something that should be addressed in each life at the moment of hearing the Gospel. For those who never heard the Gospel, they are STILL held responsible for their acknowledgement of what is evidenced in all of creation that points to God's existence (Romans 1). Waiting until the hour of death, that's worse than Russian Roulette. It's eternally dangerous!

MM