The 70th Week Of Daniel 'a Covenant With Many'

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  1. Many of today’s false prophets teach that the’ 70th week’ of Daniel’ is the prophecy of a ‘7 year tribulation’. They also claim that an ‘antichrist’ will make a covenant with the Jews and allow them to rebuild their temple… Then the ‘antichrist’ will supposedly break the covenant midway through the seven years (after 3 and a half years,) and take over the temple for himself. He will then ‘sit in the temple, pretending to be God’ and deceive the whole world... This is a fable of epic proportions-and it is absolutely false!

    The ‘70th week of Daniel’ is not a prophecy of a ‘7 year tribulation, nor is it a prophecy of ‘an antichrist’ making a covenant with the Jews. It has not been ‘delayed’ either! The fact is-the 70th week of Daniel has already taken place and it is a very simple prophecy to understand when compared with scripture...


    Jesus Christ ‘confirmed the covenant with many’

    Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

    Mat 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

    Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

    Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    Jesus death for ‘many’ was the last sacrifice. When Jesus died the veil of the temple split in two, ending the sacrifices and oblations...

    Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    Apostle Paul explains it in Hebrews 9:
    Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
    Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

    Jesus ended those ‘gifts and sacrifices’ with His sacrifice. As the scriptures say... ‘there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins’. Jesus confirmed this covenant 'with many'. A delayed last week of Daniel is a fable.


    Lets look at it in more detail...

    First, a total of 70 weeks are determined (decreed) upon the people. God did not lie...He gave them 69 weeks to get ready for the Messiah… He also said it would be fulfilled within 70 weeks:

    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
    Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
    Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    It says very clearly-after the 69th week shall Messiah be cut off (the ‘7 weeks’ comes before the 62 weeks for a total of 69 weeks). That would make Jesus being 'cut off' in the 70th week. This prophecy has nothing to do with ‘an antichrist’ or a 7 year tribulation. The ‘cutting off of the Messiah’ is the confirming of the new covenant.This prophecy has to do with the first coming of Jesus Christ and the warning for them to get their ‘house’ in order or suffer the consequences. To ‘delay’ the last week would also ‘delay the cutting off of the Messiah’ and the covenant that Jesus made…Now-how was it done in the 'middle of the week'?

    The ‘middle’ of the week

    Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    • The word ‘weeks’ in the '70 weeks' in Hebrew is ‘shabua’ which means is ’sevened’ or a week of years- making each ‘week’ a 7 year period.

    • This means that the last ‘week' of Daniel is seven years.

    • The ‘middle of the week’ would be 3 1/2 years- which is how long Jesus ministry was, (this is not a coincidence) and then He was cut off (crucified).

    • Jesus was crucified in the middle of the ‘70th week’ confirming the covenant:

    Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

    The seventy weeks has been fulfilled by Jesus- Do not be deceived by false prophets! There is more to this prophecy. There will not be another temple by the Jews. Jesus made their ’house’ desolate and Daniel says that the temple would remain ‘desolate’ until the consummation (the marriage):

    Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    Then ‘that determined shall be poured upon the desolate’ is when the Holy Spirit is 'poured upon' Jerusalem:

    Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen



    Another important thing to understand about end times, is the battle of Gog and Magog. It does not happen until after the thousand years-when Satan is let out to deceive the nations one last time:

    Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Jesus reigns for a thousand years with the saints and then Satan brings his army against ‘the camp of the saints’:

    Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about,and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

    Satan and his army attack the ‘camp of the saints’ while the saints are reigning on Earth with Christ, at the end of the thousand years. You won't see the Gog and Magog war happen unless the thousand years has already passed. The 'Ministers' and 'Preachers' who teach these theories are making millions of dollars off unsuspecting people who lack knowledge. It is time we take a stand and shut them up.

    Folks it is time to put away the books and movies...and go back into the Bible while there is still time,

    The 70th week of Daniel and a 7 year tribulation do not hold up to Bible scrutiny..There is much more proof that a delayed 70th week cannot happen nor is it scriptural...Please give this PDF a read. It destroys the 7 year tribulation/ pretribulation rapture theory, and many other false teachings as well..

    http://www.thepowerofgraceministries.com/HowaNationFellFromGrace.pdf

    TC
     
  2. Oh joy ... a preterist. That's all I'm going to say.
     
  3. Sorry- I don't even know what 'a preterist' is or believes...Scripture is consistent Jesus fulfilled the covenant and destroyed the temple. Go read the PDF...

    TC
     
  4. The 7-Year Tribulation

    http://tribulationsaints.com/whatisthetribulation.html


    The Tribulation is a future 7-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. The Church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the Tribulation. The Church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The Church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9). Throughout Scripture, the Tribulation is referred to by other names such as these:

    1) The Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Joel 1:15, 2:1, 11, 31, 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2)
    2) trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:15)
    3) Great Tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the 7-year period (Matthew 24:21)
    4) time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15)
    5) time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7)

    The Tribulation begins when a European Leader, also called the Anti-Christ, leads the New World Order to Sign or Confirm a 7 Year Peace Treaty with Israel. In the middle of the 7 years, the Anti-Christ will break the Treaty by going into the rebuild Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and declaring himself God and the Savior of the Jewish people. This event is called the "Abomination of Desolation" and leads the Jewish people to reject the Anti-Christ. This event also triggers the second half of the Tribulation, called the "Great Tribulation" where God for the next 3 1/2 years pours out his judgements on a Christ-rejecting sinful world. The Bible seems to indicate that Salvation is not possible during the second half of the Tribulation, or during the "Great Tribulation".

    An understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 is necessary in order to understand the purpose and time of the Tribulation. This passage speaks of 70 weeks that have been declared against "your people." Daniel's "people" are the Jews, the nation of Israel, and what Daniel 9:24 speaks of is a period of time that God has given "to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place." God declares that "70 weeks" will fulfill all these things

    It is important to understand that when "70 weeks" is mentioned, it is not speaking of a week as we know it (7 days). The Hebrew word (heptad) translated as "week" in Daniel 9:24-27 literally means "7" and 70 weeks literally means "70 sevens" (70 times 7). This time period of which God speaks is actually 70 sevens of years, or 490 years. This is confirmed by another part of this passage in Daniel. In verses 25 and 26, Daniel is told that the Messiah will be cut off "7 weeks and 62 weeks" (69 weeks total) after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. In other words, 69 sevens of years (483 years) after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, the Messiah will be cut off. Biblical historians confirm that 483 years passed from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the time when Jesus was crucified. Most Christian scholars, regardless of their view of eschatology (future things/events), have the above understanding of Daniel's 70 weeks.

    With 483 years having passed from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the cutting off of the Messiah, this leaves 1 seven (7 years) to fulfill the terms of Daniel 9:24. This final 7-year period is known as the Tribulation period--it is a time when God judges a Christ rejecting sinful world and opens the eyes of the Jewish people to the truth that Jesus Christ is indeed the Messiah and Savior of the world.

    Daniel 9:27 gives a few highlights of the 7-year Tribulation period. This verse says, "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." The person of whom this verse speaks is the Anti-Christ who Jesus calls the "abomination that makes desolate" (Matthew 24:15) in Revelation 13. Daniel 9:27 says that the Anti-Christ will make a covenant for 1 week (7 years) promising peace to Israel, but in the middle of this week (3 1/2 years into the Tribulation), he will break the covenant, putting a stop to sacrifice and grain offering. The only way the Anti-Christ (One World Leader) can stop the sacrifice is if there is a rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. This is why a key sign that the 7 year Tribulation has begun is the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.

    Revelation 13 explains that the beast, or Anti-Christ will place an image of himself in the temple and require the world to worship him. Revelation 13:5 says that this will go on for 42 months, which is 3 1/2 years. Since Daniel 9:27 says that this will happen in the middle of the week, and Revelation 13:5 says that the beast will do this for a period of 42 months, it is easy to see that the total length of time is 84 months or 7 years. Also see Daniel 7:25 where the "time, times, and half a time" (time=1 year; times=2 years; half a time=1/2 year; total of 3 1/2 years) also refers to the Great Tribulation, the last half of the 7-year Tribulation period when the "abomination that causes desolation" (the beast) will be in power.

    For further references about the Tribulation, see Revelation 11:2-3 which speaks of 1,260 days and 42 months, and Daniel 12:11-12 which speaks of 1,290 days and 1,335 days, all of which have a reference to the midpoint of the Tribulation. The additional days in Daniel 12 may include time at the end for the judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31-46) and time for the setting up of Christ's millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6).
     
  5. No need. I have math and the scriptures and you're off by years if you believe Jesus died in the 70th week. A sign cannot be a sign if it not understandable. (I guess I shouldn't have said anything...)
     
  6. A copy and paste from someone elses website does not make it correct. If you cannot understand a very simple prophecy and compare scripture with scripture- you are in deep trouble. What part of 'the covenant was confirmed before God in Christ' doesn't make sense to you? Daniel clearly prophesies of Jesus 'confirming the covenant' with 'many'.

    What part of Jesus shed His precious blood for 'many' doesn't make sense to you?


    You are spreading confusion and lies with these theories. Nowhere does it say that there is 7 years of tribulation give me a break. Most scholars do not agree with your position though you claim they do. Even if they did- wide is the gate that leads to destruction and the majority are being herded towards that gate right now...

    TC
     
  7. #7 Euphemia, May 16, 2014
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    It makes it correct if I agree with it, and moreover, it agrees with God's word and explains it well, thank you. I've been studying these matters since the late 60's, so I can afford to paste what someone else says for me. There's no shame in it, although you appear to glory in shaming others.

    Jesus is not the one who confirms the covenant of peace with many nations. It is Antichrist, the ruler to come, and as some translations call him---prince (note the small 'p').

    How on earth does this refer to Jesus?

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    “After this period of sixty-two sets of seven, the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end. 27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”
     
  8. Do you need a break in order to ruminate on the truth you've been given? Most scholars agree and teach the view I have brought to this forum, but this is exactly where those who deny it come to ply their own brand of poorly discerned doctrine.

    There is no destruction awaiting any side of the argument, and for you to bring condemnation upon people who disagree with you is very telling indeed as to the source of your thinking. Pre-Trib rapture believers do not bring condemnation to the table. I only see post-Trib rapture believers using that tactic. It shows how desperate thy are.

    I am not impressed.
     
  9. #9 The Town Crier, May 16, 2014
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    Notice that the 'sixty two sets of seven' come after the first seven...and the 'anonted one' is killed AFTER the sixty two sevens- which means He is killed in the 70th one!! This is basic math that even 10 year old kids understand-so I am sure you can too...

    Now- the version' that you quoted from is not even close to what the Hebrew says...It is a very poor 'interpretation' of an already horrible translation...

    What you are teaching is not accurate or even close to what scripture actually says- especially when compared with the teachings of Jesus and Paul friend..
    TC
     
  10. most scholars do not agree with the view you brought to this discussion! that is hogwash!! an outright lie...Go back for the last two thousand years and read pastor sermons. You will hardly ever find this point of view! Just because a few popular 'bible scholars' hold it, doesn't mean the mass of Pastors around the world through 2000 years do...
    TC
     
  11. 63 follows 62.

    I like how God has shown me to teach His word.
     
  12. Yeah, they do. Even the disciples and the apostles believed in the pre-Trib rapture. Why? Because Jesus taught it and Revelation reveals it.
     
  13. #13 The Town Crier, May 17, 2014
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    Show me one place where either Jesus or Paul or any other apostle teaches a pretribulation rapture...

    Jesus says very clearly that after the tribulation we will see Him coming on the clouds...
    Math
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and
    they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Mark 13
    24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
    25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
    26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.


    So again I ask you- does Jesus come on the clouds once or twice?

    1 Thessalonians 4
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    Now I want you explain this to me... If Jesus is coming on the clouds and Paul says we who are alive and remain are caught up' to Him...How can you be one of those that is 'caught up' if you are already coming back with Him? You cant..you cannot be in both places at the same time chief. You cannot be coming back on the clouds with Him- and be on the earth waiting to be caught up. So you cannot use Paul's 'caught up' verse for your 'rapture theory'. Nor can you contradict the words of Jesus when He says He comes back on the clouds after the tribulation. Sorry- your entire theory of a pretribulation 'catching up in the clouds' is false... It doesn't line up with the teachings of either Jesus or Paul...

    TC
     
  14. #14 The Town Crier, May 17, 2014
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    Euph- it very clearly show that the 7 weeks comes BEFORE the 62 weeks! I can show that to a little kid and they get it so, I am sure you can too- if you just read it for what it says rather than doing 'scripture gymnastics' to make your theory work.

    Daniel 9
    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    The 'seven week' period comes first and after comes the second period of 62 weeks( which would bring the total to 69 weeks) -then Messiah is cut off( after the 69th week- in the 70th week).

    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    Now if we used your 'theory' that after the '62nd week' messiah is cut off...then only sixty two weeks expired- which means there would still be a total of seven weeks or 49 years left rather than only one week or 7 years.

    That doesn't even jive with your own theory!..Again no matter how you try to twist things- your teaching is false. It does not line up with scripture! You might want to test 'the spirit' that you are listening to. If it is teaching you falsely-it is not the Lord.

    TC
     
  15. My dear---you do need to unlearn some of your indoctrination concerning eschatological matters.

    I like this diagrammatic explanation.

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  16. The problem with your little chart is that it does not address the fact that the Messiah is cut off AFTER the 62nd week which means He was cut off in the 70th week! You cannot get around that no matter how many fancy charts or scripture gymnastics you try to pull.

    Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


    He was cut off in the middle of the 70th week making your whole chart erroneous!

    TC
     
  17. You're taking it out of context... keep v 25 intact and it defines the timeframe:

    Daniel 9:25-26 (KJV)
    Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    69 weeks (62+7=69) then after the 62 weeks, from verse 25, He'll be cut off... and He was, exactly 483 years 13 days, which is 69 weeks of "sevens" and 13 days.
     
  18. Closing arguments please. One post each so make it good.

    I want to prevent bloodied foreheads. That wall is quite hard.
     
  19. No, Jesus was cut off at the 69th week.
     
  20. Scripture clearly says that He was cut off after 62 weeks. If the 7 weeks comes before the 62 then you have a total of 69 and it says He was cut off AFTER that- not during the 62nd week. If the 7 weeks is not part of the equation then only sixty two weeks expired leaving a total of 7 weeks or 49 years left. No matter how you try to explain it, your math doesn't fit the text.

    In addition- it also states very clearly that the 7 weeks and 62 weeks will take place during the rebuilding of Jerusalem (before the messiah):

    Daniel nine:
    Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


    Don't you find it just a little more than coincidence that a 'covenant was confirmed' by Jesus, for many, His ministry happened to be 3 1/2 years long ( 3 1/2 years is 'the middle of a week') and Daniel just happens to prophesy of exactly the same thing? Sorry-that is not coincidence...the covenant was fulfilled just exactly as scripture says it would be. The fuzzy math and 'history' books that you guys use to make your theory work just don't line up with scriptures. Hey Mod- as long as there are no 'foreheads being damaged' how about you let us keep discussing this heh?

    TC
     
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