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"slain in the spirit"

Discussion in 'Biblical Advices' started by least in the kingdom, Nov 21, 2008.

  1. "slain in the spirit"

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    The following is an excerpt from a sermon by Jerry Spencer.
    Are those who have this experience more spiritually successful and closer to God?
    How does this help in daily Christian living?
    If it is God's power, why do people have to catch you? If it's His power, couldn't He suspend you in air and let you down easy?
    When God says so much about our being alert, to wake up, to stand in power with God's armor, why would He want us to pass out?
    If it's of God, why doesn't every Christian have this experience as a normal occurrence, especially if it helps those who experience it so dramatically and instantaneously? How have the majority of truly Spirit-filled Christian leaders throughout history managed to function without this experience?
    Given the omnipotence of Almighty God, the freedom, intelligence, and limitless power of the Holy Spirit, and given the fact that He lives in the Christian, why would He choose to come from the outside through the touching, hitting, throwing, shouting, commanding, or blowing of a third party for the purpose of slaying one of His own in whom He is already at home?
    The basic, fundamental, bottom-line question is this: Is it biblical? Was it practiced and taught by the Lord Jesus Christ? What does the Bible say about being "slain in the Spirit?"
    The answer is ... Being "slain in the spirit" in never mentioned in the Bible.
    [SIZE=-1]Jerry Spencer is pastor of Ridgecrest Baptist Church in Dothan, Ala.[/SIZE]
     
  2. I think that "slain in the spirit" is just an expression.
    Like on the day of pentecost, when God poured His spirit out.
     
  3. I don't think it's a good idea to generalize. Just because it's not mentioned in the bible doesn't mean God can't do it. He CAN do anything He wants to do and as long as it is not something clearly out of His character or something that goes against His word, well, you can't say it can't happen. Just because God wants us to stand with our armor on doesn't mean His power manifested through someone else or in a spiritual meeting can't have that effect on people. Obviously, like with every spiritual manifestation, there are people who are faking or exaggerating just to get attention but there are others who don't. Case in point: This happen to me once. It was during a regular but very powerful church service. I was at the altar along with many other people and as I was worshiping I lifted my arms and closed my eyes. Next thing I knew I was falling. I felt 2 hands catch me from behind but as I fell my dress lifted up a little. I also felt someone pulling it down and then covering me with a cloth and a very gentle men's voice kept saying: "It ok, it's alright...". Nothing special so far except when I returned to my seat the couple I had come with looked a little concerned. I asked what was wrong and they asked me if my head hurt. I said no, why. They explained that as I fell the strangest thing happened. There was literally a circle around me even thought there were a lot of people at the altar and they saw me fall with no one catching me. I told them about the hands I had felt, that they put me down very gently and about my dress. We were all a little stunned but it didn't take me long to realize who caught me. I do remember feeling the most peaceful and contented I had ever in my life felt. It was almost like there was absolute peace with not a hint, not even in the back of my mind of fear or worry. Now you make of this whatever you will, but I am not much into signs and wonders and special manifestations nor was I looking for attention that day. It was a period in my life when Jesus was doing a lot of work in me and there were a lot of wrong things He was dealing with and getting them out. It was almost like I was being prepared for something at that time so I believe that experience was part of that, a sort of learning that I can let go and let God. Not long after that I met my husband. You see, we can't put God in a box and say that He can't do thus and so just because we don't believe it or we think it's not "His way" or someone from the pulpit tells us He can't. We just have to try the spirits, ask God ourselves and get the answers we need from Him.

    Laura:)
     
  4. The bible tells of Jesus raising Lazaraus from the dead, and Himself bodily from the grave. The bible mentions Annanias and Saphria falling down. Also in Acts, a young man who fell out a window. I don't doubt that you fell down, just wonder what the biblical examples are. The wikipedia site above mentions the biblical data. But I agree, God can do anything He wants to do, and when we say God 'can't' do something, we are not regarding God properly.
     
  5. Lazarus was dead and Jesus raised Him out out of His love and compassion for Lazarus' family. Annanias and Saphira fell down dead because they lied to the Holy Spirit in church about their giving and so they died. The young man fell out the window because he fell asleep during one of I believe Paul's messages. None of these have anything to do with falling in the spirit. I really am not trying to argue but, respectfully, I believe you might have missed the point of my story. It wasn't about the falling itself it was about learning through this particular experience that in my everyday life I can start to let go and let God take care of me. Jesus knew someone was going to see that there was no one there in the natural to catch me. If he didn't want people to see it He would have shielded their eyes. He was teaching me something... My point here? There does not have to be actual biblical data or biblical exampleas for this to be real and for it to be from God. I truly believe that in this Christian walk of ours most of the time we just have to set data and examples and logic aside and just believe. Everything doesn't have to be explained away:).

    Laura:)
     
  6. That was an amazing story, Laura! You must have been really seeking God down at that alter, and He decided to bless you. I have never seen this happen, but it sounds amazing. And, I take it that the "ones" who caught you were angels. And it seems that God wanted your friends to see and sense something different than they have seen. Wonderful. Thanx for sharing.
     
  7. "If you hate God, He still loves you."

    We were all at emnity with God before we were regenerated by the Holy Spirit and By His grace. He loved those whom He chose in Christ, and that is love, but remember;

    "They will say of Me, 'Only in the LORD are righteousness and strength.' Men will come to Him, And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame." Isaiah 45:24​

    "Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!" Psalm 2:12​

    "This is love: not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins." 1 John 4:10​

    To focus our minds on the human nature leads to death, but to focus our minds on the Spirit leads to life and peace. That is why the mind that focuses on human nature is hostile toward God. It refuses to submit to the authority of God's law because it is powerless to do so. Indeed, those who are under the control of human nature cannot please God. You, however, are not under the control of the human nature but under the control of the Spirit, since God's Spirit lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of the Messiah, he does not belong to him. But if the Messiah is in you, your bodies are dead due to sin, but the spirit is alive due to righteousness. And if the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, then the one who raised the Messiah from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive by his Spirit who lives in you. Consequently, brothers, we have an obligation-not with respect to human nature-to live according to it. For if you live according to human nature, you are going to die, but if by the Spirit you continually put to death the activities of the body, you will live. For all who are led by God's Spirit are God's children. For you have not received a spirit of slavery that leads you into fear again. Instead, you have received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba! Father!" The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with the Messiah-if, in fact, we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed to us." Romans 8:6-18

    "If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, 'THEY HATED ME WITHOUT A CAUSE.'" John 15:24-25​
     
  8. Once my wife began to pray for a Lady in her early 80's. The lady was not the type to fake anything and would tell you off at a pins drop. When my wife started she said "in the name of Jesus....." before anyone could move that lady hit the floor and it sounded like wood breaking. There was carpet over concrete little padding. We all rushed to help her and see if she needed a doctor. That dear old lady came up like a teenager and started to praise God hands lifted bouncing up and down. then she grabbed my wife and hugged her tight and I heard her tell my wife that she was in extreme pain that whole week and was praying for god to take her on home. She then said "I got some more praising to do before I go thanks to you and that spirit you got liven in you honey." God is good. He is real. His spirit is real. Jesus is alive today same as the day he walked out of that tomb. God is not finished with any of us yet. He is revealing his word even as we type. With God all things are possible.
    M't:19:26: But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
    M'r:10:27: And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
    I will not discredit any move of the spirit. I will not judge anyone for their faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit. I enter into a worship and praise in private and I become totally unaware of anything around me. I call this my secret place. I can get into the very presence of God and I experience the heavy annointing sometimes so strong I can only weep for the Glory of God manifesting and it is a humbling experience to be in the presence of God Almighty. It occurs to me that when someone trys to condem the moves of the Spirit it is because they do not experience them. I have made a great many old preachers fighten mad by simply saying God told me this or God said that. Since I know for fact I hear the Spirit of God from deep within me and he has never been wrong nor has he ever told me anything contrary to his word but has led me in the path of righteousness nothing or anyone can steal that from me. My faith is solid and built upon the foundation that is Christ. Doctrine is a hindering poison that keeps a great many saints in bondage of judgement of others. Consider the following scriptures and compare with the fruit you are seeing born by a great number of indoctrinated believers.

    1. they stay mad and angry and argue constantly. (call it defending the faith)
    Compare the evidence of what is actually going on to the word.
    Ga:5:16: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
    Ga:5:17: For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
    Ga:5:18: But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
    Ga:5:19: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
    Ga:5:20: Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    Ga:5:21: Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
    Ga:5:22: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    Ga:5:23: Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
    Ga:5:24: And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
    Ga:5:25: If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
    Ga:5:26: Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

    2. The word of God is a big picture and is several thousand years old. Yet it is alive and well today real and viable. Accessable and full of wisdom and truth and is being revealed to us all by the Holy Spirit as we begin to understand the scriptures more fully in the true context and wholeness rather than a broken up and disected form. Take the whole context of Gods message. (example: from Genesis to Revelation Gods will was, is and shall be for we his children to turn to him in absolute trust and submission. Putting him first is also the first commandment)

    1Jo:2:26: These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
    1Jo:2:27: But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
    1Jo:2:28: And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
    1Jo:2:29: If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

    Just love one another and edify the true Church and go and worship where ever and however you find strength when it comes to a denomination.

    Just my thought.
    Bro Doyne
     
  9. I believe we have had this discussion before, and the thread ended up being closed because it was obvious nobody was going to convince anyone else.

    However, you might like to think of these Scriptures:

    Genesis 17:3-4 "Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 'As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations.' " Did Abram choose to fall down, or was he under the power of God?

    Leviticus 9:24 "Fire came out from the presence of the LORD and consumed the burnt offering and the fat portions on the altar. And when all the people saw it, they shouted for joy and fell facedown." Same question. I could list a whole lot more like this.

    Daniel 8:17-18 "As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the end." While he was speaking to me, I was in a deep sleep, with my face to the ground. Then he touched me and raised me to my feet." While there may be a question about the previous verses, there can hardly be one here - Daniel was under the power of God.

    Daniel 10, 9-10: "Then I heard him speaking, and as I listened to him, I fell into a deep sleep, my face to the ground. A hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees."

    Ezekiel 1:27-28: I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking."

    Ezekiel 43:3: "The vision I saw was like the vision I had seen when he came to destroy the city and like the visions I had seen by the Kebar River, and I fell facedown."

    Matthew 17:5-6: "While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!" When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified."

    John 18:6: "When Jesus said, "I am he," they drew back and fell to the ground."

    Acts 9:4 "He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" "

    Acts 26:14: "We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic, 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.' "

    Revelation 1:17: "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: 'Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.' "

    Just because the Bible doesn't use the term "slain in the Spirit" does not mean the experience is not Biblical. The Bible doesn't use the term "Trinity" either, but the reality of the Trinity permeates its pages.

    Personally, I have been slain in the Spirit many times. I have also seen many people slain in the Spirit when I have prayed for them. On the other hand, I have also had people try to push or otherwise manipulate me into going down, and I have seen people fall that were just doing it themselves. But consider this: people only ever counterfeit something that is real.

    I think it is a great pity when Christians take the stance, "If I haven't experienced it, then it isn't real or it isn't of God."

    blessings,

    Lynn
     
  10. A hypnotist I knew once showed me how to make someone fall backwards sometimes touching them and sometimes without actually touching them.

    Looking through Revlynn's quotations I wasa struck by the fact that people fell facedown in worship. When Jesus spoke to those coming to arrest him in John 18:6, it literally reads "they went backwards and fell to the ground".

    In Rev.1:17 John fell towards the feet of the Lord, which was follows by the Lord's hand being placed on him.

    May the Lord help us as we learn together
     
  11. As a member:
    Thanks Lynn I was going to post most of those same scriptures.:)
    People tend to judge what they do not understand. People tend to reject that which they have not experienced. I have seen many lives changed dramatically by just such a touch from God.
    This is not condemnation towards those who have not walked these steps. Each person and each church seems to move in different gifting's and revelation in the Word. Together we make up the body of Christ.
     
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  13. Truly speaking today many misusing the spirtual gifts without knowing the truth. Slain in the spirit today it become fashion.
     
  14. Agreed. But we must remember that the theatrics of some do not discount the truth that others experience.
     
  15. Very true Daniels, I agree. Unfortunately there are many today who "fall" because it is fashion or just to get attention. Every once in a while though a real Godly experience happens and when it does it is beautiful:).

    Laura:)
     
  16. Gotta ask... Is this a response on the subject of falling in the spirit or are you starting a new subject? Because I don't see the connection:)... What does the subject of hating God have to do with falling in the spirit?

    Laura:)
     
  17. No, that was on someone's signature. I wanted to add some verses to that for consideration. While we were all formerly enemies of God, and naturally hated Him, yet He still loved us. (1 John 4:10) But He is angry with the wicked all day long. (Psalm 7:11 , Psalm 2:12) Those that are His enemies and hate Him are still abiding under His wrath. (John 3:36) May they be granted the repentance that leads to life as well as it was so graciously given to all in Christ. (2 Corinthians 7:10 , Acts 11:18)
    God bless
     

  18. What a profound thought!!! AND TRUE!!! AMEN X10 Bro...you hit the nail on the head again. I am sure that even the disciples who walked with our Lord; having not experienced ANYTHING like seeing Jesus raise someone from the dead and only having to lean upon their limited understanding of the interpretation of the scriptures (OT) of that day...they might have tended to believe the Pharisees that accused Jesus of raising the dead in the evil ones' power rather than His Father's.
    Mark 3:22-30
    And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
    23And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
    24And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
    25And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
    26And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
    27No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
    28Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
    29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. 30Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

    Jeananne made an excellent observation about falling forwards or back; I have often wondered if that was an indication whether it be "of the Holy Spirit" or not.

    Revlynn shared:
    I have also encountered being "slain in the Spirit" (which I think is a term that indicates the POWER of God but not accurate in its application; I believe to be overcome by the power of God might be a better description) and both times; I was OVER COME and was barely touched by the man or woman of God. It was like the Lord; "disrupted" my thoughts by showing me a little taste of how awesome He is and how much He loves me to intervene. I believe that although this experience may not be recorded in the Bible;that it is within God's character described in His word.

    Our dear brother least in the kingdom has stated it best:
    If we say that God can't do something (any way that He wants to)... I AGREE...we would NOT be regarding God properly.
    We can agree to disagree but still rightly divide the word of truth and reason together...right? :groupray:
     
  19. Excellent discussion! God gets Glory when his children can reason together, agree and disagree all done in the spirit of love. This thread has the potential to help many make a well informed decision on more than one subject. Thanks to you all for being who you are unashamed and filled with the love of the Holy Spirit. God Bless and I'll pray for you would you please pray for me.

    With Love,
    Bro doyne
     
  20. Just a further thought: the question "why would God do this" is somewhat futile, and could be asked of many of the things recorded in the Gospels.

    Why would God send the Spirit as a dove upon Jesus, when Jesus - who was God in the flesh - had never for a nanosecond of His existance been without the Spirit?

    Why would God say, "You are My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased", when Jesus could not for an instant have doubted that?

    Why would Jesus make mud and put on a blind man's eyes, when He could have healed him with no more than a word? On the other hand, if this was what "worked", why did He not put mud on the eyes of every blind man who came to Him?

    Why would Jesus heal one blind man in two stages, first so that he could "see men as trees walking", and then completely?

    Why would Jesus go to the Pool of Bethesda, pick one cripple out of the crowd, and heal him - apparently ignoring all the rest?

    Why, when multiplying loaves and fishes, would He create so much that in the first instance 12 and in the second instance 7 baskets of scraps were collected?

    Why would He turn water into wine for the wedding feast?

    Why, when needing money for the Temple tax, would He send Peter to catch a fish, rather than just manifesting the coin in His hand?

    And perhaps the greatest "why?" of all: why would God create man in the first place? He is perfect, and perfect by definition means complete, which means that there was nothing that the existence of man could add to Him. He is omniscient, which means that He knew before He ever created us that mankind would fall into sin; and that He knew what it would cost Him to bring us back to Himself; and that He knew that, even after He had payed that price, there would be millions who would reject Him and deny Him; and worse, that there would be many who would name His Name, yet live as if He had never existed. Yet He created us anyway. Why would He?

    The answer is always the same: because He is God, and He has the right to do whatever He pleases, whenever He pleases, however He pleases and with or to whomever He pleases.

    blessings,

    Lynn
     

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