Turns out she was a lier and was not pregnant.
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime...ce-charged-murder-officials-article-1.1880617
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime...ce-charged-murder-officials-article-1.1880617
Shoot A Pregnant Burglar
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I guess those pregnancy tests aren't 100% accurate.
It doesn't matter to me. I live in the the most violent country in the world outside of a war-zone and would still not shoot a clearly identifiable woman! Only 28.....at 80 you would think he be wiser / more merciful.
You know they beat him down and broke his collar bone?
Someone that breaks into someone else's home is despicable. And someone that would beat an elderly person is really despicable.
That couple had a long criminal history of doing things like this. Now the male accomplice is charged with murder because she died. It's a law in California that if your accomplice dies you get charged with murder.
Well at least these despicable people won't be doing this to anyone else.
Someone that breaks into someone else's home is despicable. And someone that would beat an elderly person is really despicable.
That couple had a long criminal history of doing things like this. Now the male accomplice is charged with murder because she died. It's a law in California that if your accomplice dies you get charged with murder.
Well at least these despicable people won't be doing this to anyone else.
Thanks be to God...
Oh wow. I didn't know all that. Well, in that case these people don't deserve Gods mercy, nor mine. If a woman ever tries to break into my home, she will get beat like a drunk husband, right brother? Chivalry is dead, and so are the women that break into our homes.
No, I didn't. Shame man. That changes everything. Clearly self defense then.
Well, I always believed God would provide protection. If faith can move mountains then surely, it could stop a person from harming my family, unless the person has no faith.
If you have to stop sin with sin, then perhaps one needs to reevaluate their relationship with Christ.
Why do you call defending your wife or children "sin"?
I have a friend visiting me right now who was recently burgled on his plot. They came in with guns and threats to shoot, rape and kill his kids in front of him. Nothing happened fortunately except for burglary. He prayed with his family, whilst they were being burgled. He said there was such a peace on them that his daughter fell asleep on his lap whilst the one guy had a gun against his head.
So it is a catch 22. On the one hand we must be prepared so as to not tempt God. But on the other, God does protect us. God will get vengeance, we just need to 'try' disable /subdue the enemy.
So it is a catch 22. On the one hand we must be prepared so as to not tempt God. But on the other, God does protect us. God will get vengeance, we just need to 'try' disable /subdue the enemy.
Exodus 22:2-3 - If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed.
Psalm 82:4 - Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.
Psalm 144:1 - Blessed be the LORD my strength, who teaches my hands to war, and my fingers to fight (for righteousness of course)
Nehemiah 4:14 - Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.
You see the KJV makes no distinction of the words used for killing…all killing is not murder or evil…the Word of the Lord even commands men to do it under certain circumstances which threaten His children…
The motive is always to protect them (even at expense of one's own life if necessary as this is a form of the greatest of loves)...
Sin?
Psalm 82:4 - Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.
Psalm 144:1 - Blessed be the LORD my strength, who teaches my hands to war, and my fingers to fight (for righteousness of course)
Nehemiah 4:14 - Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.
You see the KJV makes no distinction of the words used for killing…all killing is not murder or evil…the Word of the Lord even commands men to do it under certain circumstances which threaten His children…
The motive is always to protect them (even at expense of one's own life if necessary as this is a form of the greatest of loves)...
Sin?
You would need to shoot and kill a woman to defend your wife and child?
You're quoting all Old Testament. I accept your point of view if you also keep the sabbath.
Need to? Hmmm! Only if it was necessary...God hasn't changed His will...
Just to clarify, I do not believe in killing anyone for any reason save when it necessary to the greater good...I have no remorse for the elimination of evil ones, nor do I think anyone will suffer penalty for taking out a Hitler or an Osama bin Ladin but we can disagree on this...
As an individual I have suffered unrightfully on a few occasions and did nothing (by the grace of God), the Spirit saying "vengeance is mine" and I will say that when He does it is always far worse then anything I could have imagined or meted out...and I do not even wish my enemies ill will but pray for God's mercy and grace be upon them and that He would lead them to salvation (as I know I was once His enemy as well)...but there are times when a soft answer just does not turn away wrath...but I will not defend this position any further as we all want grace and thus should also be dispensers of it as much as possible...peace be unto you WitM
I respect your views. I do wonder about the part where you say, "I have no remorse..."
I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you"
Why would you accept that conditionally??
The Old Testament is either Scripture inspired by God or it is not, regardless of any individual obeying any or all of it or not.
What Paul wrote to Timothy, (and we accept that Paul was commissioned by the Risen Saviour as an Apostle), was among other things that all Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for reproof etc. 2 Tim 3:16,17.
When Paul penned these valuable insights for us, there was no 'New Testament'. His Bible was the Septuagint or maybe sometimes Hebrew sacred Scrolls that we call the Old Testament. So clearly, those pre New Testament Scriptures were valid in Paul's day. Those Old Testament Scriptures were according to Paul, inspired by God etc.etc.
I can't see how the Pre New Testament Scriptures would suddenly become outmoded just because a few centuries after the period of the Apostolic fathers, their writings were compiled into a library of post crucifixion Scriptures. (New Testament)
The idea that the Old Testament is somehow archaic and outmoded is a wrong one that should be abandoned by the Churches.
As for the Sabbath, who is to say that any individual Christian either does or does not honour the Sabbath. Even the Pharisees failed to keep the Sabbath, because they wrongly took a legalistic approach to the (what they thought was ) worship of God.
You heard'm, I do this with MY enemies, but don't try and hurt my little ones for it would be better for you if you had a millstone tied around your neck and you were cast into the sea...
God does provide protection! The original question was about whether we would shoot a pregnant woman breaking into our home.
God has allowed men to make weapons for us to use as protection for our families. We seem to be placing guns into the arena of evil things when they are nothing but inanimate objects that do not think.
Computers receive all kinds of evil, pornography etc. but here we are all using one to talk to one another on them. So are they evil????
Hasn't God allowed them to be produced? It is us that uses them for glory or shame and guns are the same.
Remember.....the person who breaks into your home is in fact an evil person so then God has in deed provided a means for protection to us IF we choose to use it.
We must always be prepared to answer this question in this situation:
"Did God give me the means and ability to protect my home and family but I refused to do it".
God made birds and God made worms. But the bird must go out and get the worm or he dies.
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I agree! For all we know, the man who killed Osama was in fact the agent of God placed here to do the will of God by killing such an evil man.