September 2015

I get a kick out of studying scripture with Missler. He indicates the times of the wordly gentiles starts with Nebuchednezzar and ends with the antichrist. In the Daniel series, Missler talks about the times of the Gentiles - distinct from the gentile church.

 
Arabia, which is destroyed by Iran “Elam” (Isaiah 21:2)
“The burden against Dumah” (Isaiah 21:11)
“The burden against Arabia” (Isaiah 21:13)
“All the glory of Kedar will fail” (Isaiah 21:16)
Scripture makes no mention of any of the ancient Babylonian cities: Nineveh, Ur, Babel, Erech, Accad, Sumer, Assur, Calneh, Mari, Karana, Ellpi, Eridu, Kish, or Tikrit. All of the literal references in Scripture are in Arabia.
The reference to a prostitute in Revelation 17 regarding the “Whore of Babylon” is no coincidence: resembles the near copulating with the Ka’ba’s Black Stone, which historically was dedicated to Aphrodite, the prostitute goddess that was called “Aphrodite Porne” (Aphrodite the Prostitute), “the goddess adorned in purple”, similar to the depictions given in Revelation 17:4, which the Ka’ba has a scarlet-colored inner garment. John of Damascus notes:
"After the Hajj was preformed by Muhammad, the ‘rubbing and kissing the [of the Black Stone]…was extremely passionate.’”

Muslim tradition even perpetuates the blasphemy that:

“Abraham had sexual intercourse with Hagar on it” (Sahas. Heresy, Pages 88-89).

Start with this I will attach more

I would encourage you to shy away from "Muslim triditions" and opinions of men.

I would also encouage you to use the Bible as as your 1st resource.

Isaiah 21:2.............
That verse commands the 2 fold nation of Media-Persia to destroy and take the city's wealth away. That IS NOT something to happen in the last days but has aleady taken place. That is exactly what happened and the Scripture by Isaiah was a prophecy that was given before the invasion took place.

Isaiah 21:11...........
"Dumah" is a symbolic word. Isaiah played upon words to show a deepwr meaning.

In the Hebrew, "Dumah" is Edom with the E removed. If we take the E off of the word Edom you then have the word Dumah which means silence. The english word dumb is closer to the intent of what Isiah was saying. Today, Edom is a land of silance.

"Seir means "rough or hairy". Esau was the 1st "Seir" man. He was hairy and lived in Mount Seir. SEIR alsom means "Stoems". The land then was a land of storms. So the play on words is "SILENCE AND STORM".

Edom is the country mentioned and out of the land of "silence and storm" comes thise question..........."Watchman, what of the night?"

In other words.......How long will it be before God's glory will be revealed.

Isaiah 21:13..........
This verse means the obvious. It was in the history of Arbia.

"Arabia" is a word with a double meaning. It is made to mean "EVENING" by the changing of the vowel points.

It was later that they thought.

Isaiah 21:16.............
Again, history tells us that this is exactly what happened. Kedar was a tribe of Ishmaelite descent. Isaiah is predicting that those desert tribes will be no match for the Assyrian attack and they weren't.

IMO, Rev. 17 is all about the destruction of a "System" .
It is a more detailed discription of the 7th vial judgment.
 
I disagree.....

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

He isn't behind the kind of dreams that were described by Flavio, which were "filthy and shocking" and from which he awakened screaming! He is not that kind of Father.
 
It's history + the clues the bible gives us
Watch the video and read the link.
It's all history and recorded facts!!


http://shoebat.com/2013/05/31/mystery-babylon-is-mecca-not-vatican/

I hardly think watching an hour long YouTube video can be relied upon to teach any of us what's up. Why do people place their spiritual welfare and education in the hands of internet videographers who in most cases are quite a bit off center in their thinking.

That said, I am not saying there are not some good points made in the video...I did listen to the first five minutes!
 
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Whatever you think. Sorry I shared i found it interesting. And one thing you do need to be prepared for is that there is no rapture it's all made up . So get ready to spent the tribulation here with everyone else.
Such hope you have. So I ask you when/where/what is the marriage supper of the Lamb? Why don't you believe in the rapture?
 
Those willing to take a careful look at the Bible will see that the rapture theory doesn't stand up to the scrutiny of God's Word.

Wrong. Do your own homework....something I can tell you have not done because you are repeating flawed arguments already and many times disproved. Read the Rapture/Harpoza thread. The Rapture IS IN scripture. Throughout OT & NT. The early apostles taught it. All your scriptures must agree. When God says someone is not appointed to wrath, He means it.
 
No it's just fact do your home work . I'm not going to be let down when it doesn't happen.

RAPTURE POPULAR BUT FALSE DOCTRINE.

The rapture, often called "the blessed hope," is sadly more hoax than hope, even though the man who started it had no intention of deceiving anyone. You need to know what the Bible actually says!
The rapture is widely taught and believed in Christianity today. Popular books and movies spin themes around this doctrine that essentially teaches Christ will come back twice, first coming only into the atmosphere to snatch believers away to heaven for several years; then actually returning to set foot on the earth.

We live in a time when most are content to get their knowledge of religion secondhand, preferably through dramatic presentations, including stage, screen and novels.

But you cannot afford to neglect your personal responsibility to prove the truth!

Those willing to take a careful look at the Bible will see that the rapture theory doesn't stand up to the scrutiny of God's Word.

The rapture was popularized in the 1970s by Hal Lindsey's writings ( The Late Great Planet Earth, etc.) and more recently by Jim Jenkins and Tim LaHaye in their Left Behind fictional books and films. But where did the idea of the rapture originate?

The origin of the rapture theory

Credit for its origin generally goes to John Nelson Darby, a 19th-century theologian.

Let's define some common terms to help one navigate the technicalities, for in reading about the rapture, you will often encounter the words postmillennialism, amillennialism and premillennialism . First, the root word, Millennium, comes from the Latin for 1,000 years. Religiously, it refers to the first 1,000 years of Christ's reign over the Kingdom of God on earth (Revelation 20:4).

A postmillennialist believes that Christ returns to establish the Kingdom on earth after the 1,000 years; an amillennialist doesn't believe that the Kingdom is coming at all; a premillennialist believes that Christ returns before the Millennium to set up His Kingdom as described in Revelation 20:4.

In the century before Darby, Daniel Whitby pushed the philosophy of postmillennialism in England. “This interpretation maintains that present gospel agencies will root out evils until Christ will have a spiritual reign over the earth, which will continue for 1,000 years. Then the second advent of Christ will initiate judgment and bring to an end the present order” ( Unger's Bible Dictionary, 1988, “Millennium”).

Postmillennialism gives life to the idea of “the social gospel” and the belief that the Church can actually bring about the Kingdom by its actions. It has led to many Christian churches involving themselves in politics on the premise that they are virtually obligated to lobby governments in the direction of godliness.

There were also amillennialists in Darby's day. He labored to correct both false teachings. Darby believed, rightly, that Jesus Christ would return to earth to establish and rule over the Kingdom of God. Darby was a premillennialist.

But in his zeal for countering error, he added another—the rapture theory. He believed he understood a new truth, an idea that had not been taught in the history of Christendom. While he was most likely sincere, sincerity alone does not make one right.

“Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation” (2 Peter 1:20, New International Version).

How do we know whether God inspired John Darby with new understanding? It actually would not be difficult to verify. Jesus said, “…the Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35), meaning Scripture agrees within itself.

If the rapture were truly a biblical doctrine, it would mesh with all other scriptural references to Christ's coming. But it does not stand up to that test, as we will see.

Scofield picks it up

“Darby's pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C.I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible, which was widely distributed in England and America. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically accepted what its footnotes said and adopted the [rapture doctrine], even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history” (“Catholic Answers,” http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp).

Both Darby and Scofield claimed that the “day of Christ” refers to the rapture and that “the day of the Lord” refers to the actual second coming several years after the rapture.

In fact, “the day of the Lord” and “the day of Christ” both refer to Christ's return to the earth throughout the Bible—that is, to the time when He will step foot on earth. So also do the phrases, “the day of the Lord Jesus Christ” and “the Lord's Day.” They all speak of His actual descent and setting His feet on this earth (Zechariah 14:1-4). This fact further discredits this principal premise of Darby and Scofield. (See our booklet The Book of Revelation Unveiled for further information about this subject.)

The heart of the case offered by Darby, Scofield and their modern counterparts is based upon the English words “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Thin proof

For such a seemingly major doctrine, one might expect a weighty argument, but this is what is offered in The Scofield Bible's Reference Notes (1917 Edition): “…'caught up'—Not church saints only, but all bodies of the saved [that is, not only the living, but also the dead], of whatever dispensation, are included in the first resurrection… [It] is peculiarly the 'blessed hope' of the Church (cf) Matthew 24:42; 25:13; Luke 12:36-48; Acts 1:11; Philippians 3:20, 21; Titus 2:11-13.”

This offers surprisingly little information, considering how many accept the rapture doctrine based upon these notes. Additionally, all of the references he cited are about Christ's return and the believer's need to be ready for that event. None of them speak of a “near return” by Christ to snatch away believers.

Some rapturists today cite Acts 8:39, saying it uses the same Greek word that is translated “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. They say that the fact the Spirit of God “caught [Philip] away” shows that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 means that the saints are caught away to heaven. Yet the Spirit did not transport Philip to heaven, but rather from one place on the earth to another.

The saints of 1 Thessalonians 4:17, on the other hand, rise to meet the Lord in the air. (We'll cover more on this point in the next article in this series.)

The words “blessed hope” also often appear in rapture literature. In fact, “The Blessed Hope” is the name by which some denominations refer to the rapture doctrine. They take “blessed hope” from Titus 2:13, where Paul writes, “looking for the blessed hope, and the appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.”

The implication is that the word “appearance” conveys something secretive and sudden; that is, the rapture. Therefore, “blessed hope” becomes a sort of shorthand for the rapture in literature and films on the doctrine. A few other New Testament references that mention “the appearing of Christ” are also often cited, as if these scriptures strengthen their case.

But all of these are simply referring to Christ's coming, either the first time as a perfect sacrifice for sin, or the second time, as an invincible King.

Flawed foundation

The word rapture comes from the Latin rapere, meaning, “to seize” or “to abduct.” It is translated from the Greek word that is rendered “caught up” in English Bibles today.

All advocates of the rapture agree that the main argument is based on 1 Thessalonians 4:17. Here the argument stands or falls.

First, look at verse 17 in the New King James Version: “Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.”

The Greek verb for “caught up” is harpagesometha. Does it convey the sense of an abduction here? No, “[it] combines the ideas of force and suddenness seen in the irresistible power of God” (Leon Morris, Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, Revised Edition, 1984, p. 94).

Why would Paul use such a strong word? Let's allow the Bible to speak for itself. The context of the subject begins in verse 13 and concludes in verse 11 of the next chapter. Paul wrote this section of the letter in answer to concerns of the local Christians.

As you read verse 13, you discover that Christians in Thessalonica were grieving over the unexpected deaths of members of their congregation.

Albert Barnes comments: “There seems some reason to suppose…that some of them believed that, though those who were dead would indeed rise again, yet it would be long after those who were living when the Lord Jesus would return had been taken to glory, and would always be in a condition inferior to them” ( Barnes' Notes on the New Testament, notes on 1 Thessalonians 4:13).

Paul wrote that they should not grieve over this: “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus [believers who had died]” (verse 14).

Was he responding to a worry about whether Christ would rescue believers from the Great Tribulation? No, nothing is said of this.

Nor is there anything in these verses that intimates Christ making a swooping pass by the earth to snatch off a few people to take them to heaven. These verses refer only to the doctrine of the second coming, at which time Jesus sets foot on the earth.

A reunion with friends who died

There is more to Paul's encouragement. Dr. Morris observes, “There will be a reunion with Christ, but there will also be a reunion with the friends who have gone before” (Tyndale).

The Commentary on the Whole Bible by Jamieson, Fausset and Brown observes something further. “The leading topic of Paul's preaching at Thessalonica having been the coming kingdom (Ac 17:7), some perverted it into a cause for fear in respect to friends lately deceased, as if these would be excluded from the glory which those found alive alone should share. This error Paul here corrects.”

Verse 15 amplifies the point: “We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.”

Verse 18 reiterates this main point: “Therefore comfort one another with these words.” Paul sums it up in verses 10-11 of chapter 5 (there is no chapter break in the original text): “…that whether we wake or sleep [remain alive or die], we should live together with Him. Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.”

Any claim that “the comfort” of these verses was about being snatched away to heaven takes incredible license with the Bible.

Paul's reason for using such a strong word as harpagesometha was to reassure people that, at Christ's return, God would reunite believers who remain alive with believers who had died. The dead won't be behind in any way!

http://www.ucg.org/world-news-and-prophecy/the-rapture-a-popular-but-false-doctrine

Oh I do my own homework and I use the scriptures over men's studies... But Perry Stone puts it best

 
Whatever you think. Sorry I shared i found it interesting. And one thing you do need to be prepared for is that there is no rapture it's all made up . So get ready to spent the tribulation here with everyone else.

I am prepared for the catching away of the saints, because God tells us about it in His word. No Christian will find himself missing out on that glorious event!
 
And yet we have in Isaiah 65:25 concerning the New Heavens and New Earth.....................
"The WOLF and the LAMB shall feed together, and the LION shall eat straw like the bullock, and the dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain saith the Lord."

That seems to be saying that there will be animals in the Kingdom.

Yes, because the world's animal population will not be completely destroyed in the carnage of the Tribulation.
 
I do hope your right but nothing is clear on when . Not to me.

That really doesn't matter with regard to when. What does matter is that when Jesus calls for His Bride, that you and I are included in that glorious call! Receiving that wonderful free gift of salvation through the sacrifice and shed blood of Jesus Christ the Son of God, whose blood eradicates every sin, is the only way anyone will have a part in it.
 
Omg seriously I can not believe you said that . Wow good ol Christians . Man. I'm going to bow out now. Too many Pharisees here for me.

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I do not qualify as a Pharisee. I am simply pointing out the truth about the Book of Mormon.
 
Before the wrath of God. Show me

I did....I referred you to the Rapture thread. It's all been said there.

Invalueable advice I once got here: ASK the Holy Spirit help you read scripture. If you don't read with the Holy Spirit, you will read with your own intellect and self will, not what God actually said.
 
You know nothing about my church! I did not come to this place to have people insult me. No I do not care what you say anymore . I did not insult you and I did not need it from you. Where do you get your information ? Antinormon sites? Go to the source to learn about something ! You were a very bad witness today for your kind. You keep proving that you all have no Compassion at all for other people, only yourself!

My dear, I know much about the LDS religion.

Please, you need to calm down.
 
www.lds.org learn the truth about something first the whole truth, who knows you better , you ? or me? Of course you! The Church is the same way. If you have a question ask a Mormon not a back door anti Mormon site!!

I do not have a question, as I have studied about Mormonism and learned about them since the 1970's.
 
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