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Romans 2... Part 1

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by th1bill, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. Romans 2... Part 1

    Rom 2:1 Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things.
    Rom 2:2 And we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against them that practise such things.
    Rom 2:3 And reckonest thou this, O man, who judgest them that practise such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
    Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
    Rom 2:5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
    Rom 2:6 who will render to every man according to his works:
    Rom 2:7 to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:
    Rom 2:8 but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,
    Rom 2:9 tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;
    Rom 2:10 but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:

    For the beginning of this chapter it is important to remember the last section of the previous chapter, it gives context to chapter 2. Some have ignored what Paul has said, separating this into it's own chapter but it is important to recall that this is a letter written by Paul and letters have no chapter and verse division, those have been added for our ease of reference and do not always relate to the context.

    For this beginning part of chapter 2 it is important to notice Matthew 7:1 also, the most misinterpreted verse in the Bible. Once again, in comparing Matthew 7:1 to chapter two here it is important to have the flow of the text in mind before trying to apply it to your life. Neither Jesus nor Paul told us not to judge when the context is used to understand the passage. In the case of the Matthew passage you need to read the entire Sermon and failing that, at least chapter 6 and all of seven. In our passage here Paul has just finished explaining that God has turned the Lost Man over to a reprobate mind and in the first verse of this chapter we are warned against condemning men for the same sin we are guilty of.

    In the church we have a small body of Bond Servants belonging to Christ and then we have the bulk of the body who attend, some faithfully, for a variety of reasons. Christ knows who is who and we do not but the Church, not the building, but the Church is the body of Christ and we far to often fail to act as such. When a member falls into sin, and that does happen, we are to lift them up and restore them (Isa. 1:16-18) and not practice the common. We must stop shooting the wounded to get them out of the church.

    It seems to be a much disliked title today but we must become the Bond Servants of Christ and seek to live a Holy life dedicated to God. Neither I nor anyone else can judge a thief when we, ourselves, are pocketing the extra five dollars or the extra quarter that the clerk mistakenly gave to us... that is also theft. We must judge enough to not approve of other's sin and we must judge when to lift them up because they are repenting.

    One of the most vital points a follower of Jesus can learn to observe and learn to use for Christ is the change of seasons in a person's life. Everyone has these season changes in their lives, lost and saved alike. One of the most notable is the loss of a mate, everything about the surviving mate is subject to change. In the case of a Christian, it is then that we must move close to them and be willing to listen to them, whether they are crying or Wailing and ranting. And we must learn to do so and to keep our mouthes shut. You can help no one by revealing their inner most secrets to the world.
  2. OK, what comparison do you make between Romans 2:1-10 and I Corintians 5:11-13?

    I Corinthians 5:11-13
    But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
  3. Wow .. that means we wouldn't even keep company with Jesus . what's up with the letters saying stuff like that? If Jesus wouldn't keep company with such foul mouthed sailors .. where would we be?
  4. MPaul,
    Your first Corinthians passage must be viewed in the light of the rest of scripture and especially since Paul is the teacher in both cases. When reading Paul's letters it is critical to remember that he spent three years being tutored by Jesus. (Galatians) Paul is not going to contradict Jesus and therefore we must consider Matt. 28:18-20, the Great Commission. While I cannot be caught fellowshipping in their sin, I am always God's Ambassador to them.
  5. Great theology MC.
  6. Actually, in the Corinthians passage, I thought Paul was making a distinction about judgement with people who are members of the same church. But please continue, and maybe, something more will come to light as your review goes on.
  7. It depends on what kind of commitment to sin a person professing Christ has.
  8. ah but that would be adding to what is written . i've known of people to be extortion oriented and railers .

    so if an entire church were to act like that, yet using the scripture to justify their behavior, it would be okay to not go?
  9. He did! But you seem to have taken it to the extreme. If God had had your opinion neither one of us would be going to Heaven and when it is all boiled down we are be imitators of God. (Eph. 5:1-2)
  10. No, it is not adding to what is written, but it is considering the entire context, including that which was not directly quoted.
  11. What opinion of mine do you refer to?
  12. It must've been a cultural thing . because Jesus even ate at Pharisees houses . and broke loaves and fishes with people the pharisees wouldn't be caught dead with .

  13. We all as part of the Body of Christ need to be servants to each other as Christ did when He was on earth . When we function as the Body we need to be there for others who are hurting , In pain , loss of a loved one , helping seniors who are shut in and so on . We are Christ's hands and feet and we carry on His work as workers who need not be ashamed.

    This part of my thread in discussion Harmony .
  14. From the wedding at Cana it is discerned that before Jesus could start his ministry, though he was the righteous judge, he had to choose to love instead of judge. Love means to fill the gap that one would be judged for.

    The ruler of the wedding represents the rulers of Israel who did not have wine for the Wedding feast of the Lamb. Rather than judge them, he provided the wine (his blood) from the water (the Word, also Him). He provided what they lacked.

    The world is condemned already. Our call is to provide the living water to them. It is what they lack. As for content. If someone is not with Christ, they need the law to be a schoolmaster. The law has condemnation in the literal and grace in the shadows. They need both.
  15. I could bne wrong because you left it open ended but in post #6 it appears that you are quick on the draw and tend to be one of those that shoots the wounded to dispose of them instead of lifting them back to their feet. i.e. Without Jesus restoring our fellowship with the Father we could not enter into Heaven and I know that even as a teacher I have still, unintentionally, sinned against God and even so, when I repent, He restores my fellowship with Him.

    The proper application is seen when the passage is viewed as a part of all other scripture, written by one author but penned by about forty secretaries. If a member of the church, after being approached by one, followed by a visit from two or three and only then, brought before the Body, refuses to repent, then we, the Church, remove fellowship. But even then our ultimate aim is to restore that person. We do not just cast people into Hell.
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