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Reversals of Scripture By Separation Theology

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by tulsa2011, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. Reversals of Scripture By Separation Theology

    What is called dispensationalism has also bee called Scofieldism, Christian Zionism, the Rapture Cult and Separation Theology. Separation Theology refers to the separation of the Church from the Jews,and this theology apparently teaches that all Jews are still God's chosen people.

    On http://www.scionofzion.com/revisers.htm

    Dave MacPherson makes a number of statements about the origins of separation theology..

    MacPherson says "John Walvoord truthfully viewed as one of the "early" pretribs!), have also claimed that Darby first "understood" pretrib in either late 1826 or early 1827, and that Darby based his earliest development primarily on the "distinction" between the
    "church" and "Israel" which, he said, would necessitate a separation between both groups that only a pretrib rapture could attain."

    John Darby (1800-1882) said that the dispensation of law ended at the cross when the dispensation of grace began. But then when the seven year dispensationalist tribulation period begins, another dispensation of law begins - so proposed Darby. This created a problem for Darby's thery. How could another dispensation of law go on when the Church was still on earth? He thought that in the dispensation of law during the tribulation, God would be dealing with the Jews. Would the Church in the
    tribulation return to be under the law? The solution was that Darby postulated that before the events of the tribulation began and the one man dispensationalist Anti-Christ appeared, the Church would be raptured off the earth. With the Church gone, God would then turned to deal with the Jews during the tribulation. This point of Darby's theory may be the origin of the claim that the Book of Revelation is only for the Jews, since only they of God's people will be on earth in the tribulation.

    If the Church is raptured off the earth, leaving the Jews, what happens to the few Jews who have accepted Christ? Darby and later dispensationalists do noit seem to deal with Messianic Jews, or with the vast majority of Jews who have rejected Christ entirely.

    Darby proposed a radical separation between the Church and the Jews, and apparently then said that
    when a Jew comes to believe in Christ he becomes part of the Church and is no longer part of Israel.
    Of course, the messianic Jews would tend to reject this idea, wanting to be followers of Messiah and still be part of Israel.

    MacPherson goes on to say that
    "Not until 1839 ("Notes on the Revelation") did Darby have clear pretrib teaching! Basing it on Rev. 12:5's "man child" who was "caught up," he wrote: "If we apply it to the saints, who overcome here...then we find that...they are caught up out of his [the dragon's] way....; and the trial and persecution fall on those who are left here----upon the woman."

    "In the Sep., 1830 Irvingite journal, a writer discussing Revelation's seven churches taught that "Philadelphia" will be "caught up" before a future "period of great tribulation" while the "Laodicean church" will be left behind "on earth" to face that period----the first clear
    public teaching of pretrib that I've found."

    "My book "The Rapture Plot" has seven pages of short quotes from the same Irvingite mouthpiece (1831-1833) which indisputably disclose a pretrib rapture as well as pretrib-type imminence----all appearing in print years before Darby expressed such concepts! The same book of mine also lists 21 short quotes that pretrib dispensationalists agree were Darby's earliest prophetic thoughts----"truths" they claimed he alone derived from Scripture, "truths" that supposedly led him to come up with the pretrib idea before anyone else. After I quoted them, I revealed that ALL of them were actually Irving's words in his preface to Manuel Lacunza's 1827 work and added that Irving revealed that he had held to those "truths" since 1825! "

    Note: Manuel or Emmanuel Lacunza, 1731-1801, was a Jesuit priest who wrote The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty (1790). Supposedly Lacunza wrote that before Christ appeared the second time there would be a general apostasy of the Catholic Church which would make it part of the Anti-christ. What is important also is that Lacunza'a book was based upon a futurist interpretation of Bible prophecy. According to http://www.theologue.org/Theory-JPEby.html Lacunza the Jesuit also claimed that Jesus will return return twice, and on his first return return He "raptures" the Church so they can escape the reign of the "future antichrist." This interpretation of a future Anti-Christ as one man was apparently meant to steer the Protestants away from saying the Pope was the present Anti-Christ.

    Edward Irving, an associate of John Darby and the English Plymouth Brethren, discovered Lacunza's book and was influenced by it. He translated it into English, and it was published in 1827.

    On the site shown above Dave MacPherson writes that "Years ago my wife and I visited an elderly fellow believer in his home in Alberta, Canada who told us, from firsthand knowledge, that soon after
    the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia in 1917, a man in that country went to his pastor, angrily threw down his Bible, and shouted: "You lied to us! You said we would be raptured away first!" The Dutch heroine Corrie ten Boom declared in a 1974 article that when communism took over in China "millions of Christians were tortured to death" who had previously been assured: "Don't worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated----raptured."

    So, in spite of several New Testament verses that plainly say Christ has one fold and one body, or one Body of Christ, separation theology says God has two very different peoples with whom he deals in different ways, the Jews, still his chosen, and the Church. This radical separation of Israel and Church, which is contrary to what the Bible says, is closely tied up in the dispensationalisat system with the pre-trib rapture of the Church. The Church has to be taken off the earth in order for God to deal with the Jews in a different way than he deals with the Christian Church.

    And - separation theology teaches a consistent literal system of interpretation of all Scripture.

    Francisco Ribera, followed by another Jesuit, Emmanuel Lacunza taught futurism and that the Anti-Christ was to be a single person who would appear in the future, during the tribulation. Lacuinza, at least, is attributed to having said that there would be a pre-tribulation rapture of Christians so they would escape the reign of the Anti-Christ.

    The dispensationalists do believe in a future one man Anti-Christ, and the comic book version of this says that the Anti-Christ will make a treaty with the Jews and then go back on it to sacrifice a pig in the newly rebuilt temple at Jerusalem. The dispensationalist Anti-Christ or "Pig-Man," is predicted to enter the new temple with a pig under his arm to kill there.

    But John in I John 2: 18 says "even now there are many anti-christs." And in I John 4: 3 John talks about the spirit of anti-christ and that even now it is already in the world. In the same verse he tells us that "every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God, and this is that spirit of anti-christ."

    The spirit of Anti-Christ manifests itself as many Anti-Christs, not just one, although in the end times the Anti-Christs will become more widespread and more threatening.

    The dispensationalists make a great deal of use of Daniel 9: 25-27, the Seventy Weeks prophecy, in saying that the dispensationalist Anti-Christ is to make a treaty with Israel during the last week and will cause the sacrifice to cease.

    Here is the text of Daniel 9: 25-27; "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    26. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

    There is no dispensationalist Anti-Christ in these verses. In verse 26 there are two men mentioned. One is Jesus Christ, the Messiah, and the other is the prince, who apparently is a Roman leader who is here predicted to destroy Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D. "He," then in verse 27 must refer either to Jesus Christ or the prince. The dispensationalists say "he" is their one man Anti-Christ. But "he" is Jesus Christ, who is predicted to confirm the covenant for many and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. When Christ died on the Cross the system of animal sacrifice ceased.

    While "he" in Daniel 9: 27 is Jesus Christ, separation theology says he is their one man Anti-Christ, reversing the scripture.

    In Luke 17: 35-37 Christ says " I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
    35. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    36. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    37. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

    "They" are Christ's disciples, who ask him where these people will be taken. Some followers of separation theology say that those who are taken are raptured to be with Christ, and those not taken are left behind.

    This same prophecy is found in Matthew 24: 40-41 "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    The other part of the prophecy is in Matthew 24: 28 "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."

    Body in Luke 17: 37 is from soma, but carcase in Matthew 24: 28 is from ptoma, dead body. Those taken are taken to be killed. Remember the prophecy of Deuteronomy 32: 36 "For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left." There are at a certain point of time in the tribulation none left; they have all been killed.

    John 16: 2 says "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."

    Luke 21: 16 says: "And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and
    brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they
    cause to be put to death." "Some" is not in the Textus Receptus, meaning that
    not just "some" will be killed.

    Matthew 24: 9-11 is part of end time prophecy: "Then
    shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye
    shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many
    be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one
    another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

    With Luke 17: 34-37 and Matthew 24: 28, 40-41, about those taken and those left,
    is reversed by separation theology, or by some of its followers. Those taken are not
    taken in the rapture, but are taken to be put to death on earth.
     
  2. Lot of copy and pasting her my friend.

    May I say to you that your opening premise is not correct IMO.

    You said (Or someone said)........................
    "What is called dispensationalism has also bee called Scofieldism, Christian Zionism, the Rapture Cult and Separation Theology. Separation Theology refers to the separation of the Church from the Jews,and this theology apparently teaches that all Jews are still God's chosen people."

    Not so!. Personally, I have never heard of those names to describe so I guess I need to read more.

    DISPENSATIONALISM is simply a fancy seminay word that means "Age" or a "period Of Time".
    Iin Bible terms it is a method of categorizing the dealings of God with man.

    Augustine wrote...."Distinguish the ages (Dispensations) and the Scriptures will be in harmony".

    Each Dispensation begins with a specific event and ends with a specific event. Each dispensation had a TEST in it.

    I have never heard of the "Seperation Thelogy" you are speaking of.

    I am aware of the REMNANT Theology that teaches that the church has replaced Israel but that teaching is not Biblical at all. (Romans 11:1 is just one of many verse to disprove it).

    Romans 11:1
    "I say then, Hath God cast out His people? GOD FORBID. For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham of the tribe of Benjamin".
     

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