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Revelation 2

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by th1bill, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. 1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

    Many are they that will report that the messages to the seven churches of Asia, now known as Asia Minor, has nothing of value today but for the sake of history. My Eighth Grade Teacher, Miss, C. C, Allen (also Charles Swindol´s History Teacher) started the new class, each year, with, ¨ Those, who do not learn History, must relive it.¨ I heard Chuck report on day that he had found Miss Allen´s statement to be true and I tell you that it is absolutely true! Today, the world has taken Matt. 7:1 out of the context it is spoken in and has shut the mouth of the Church, that is tragic. In the context we are taught to judge in the same manor we wish to be judged in but to always judge!

    In the passage above, from the KJV, we see that Jesus/God is making note of their works and in verse 4 we will see that this is not a problem for that church, rather it is held up for comparison to the problems He finds with them.

    4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

    So few, today, can give a testimony for the time and date of their conversion. I, and all of the elderly men in my class can tell you where we were, what we were doing and exactly how our lives changed in that moment. If you or one you know has performed the ¨duties¨ required for Salvation and there is no visible change you might need to council with them.

    For those of us that are secure in our salvation, we need to do a Spiritual Inventory! Remember the fire of the moment when we were saved? Does it hurt your heart (your inner being) to see thousands of Lost Men and Women walking around you every day? In Matt. 28:18-20 Jesus called us to the Great Commission and to nothing else! How many people have you asked to receive the LORD in the last month and how many Babes in Christ have you Discipled (Mentored) to Spiritual Maturity?

    6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

    Here is another is another commendation for this Church. It is uncertain what the Nicolaitans taught but I will suggest to you that it was probably some form of ear tickling. When was the last time you heard an Old Time Fire and Brimstone message on the prizes of Hell? Just as was foretold by our LORD there are few today that can eat (hear and reason with) the Meat of Scripture. I believe there are churches (Buildings where the Church meets) that contain not a single Christian today.

    7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

    Here we find the reward for faithfulness. This is not the reward for the person that got his or her Sunday School Pin for faithful attendance! No, this is for those that have been found faithful and have overcome the temptation to sit in front of the Idiot Tube, to become saturated with the latest novel, to know the latest and complete stats of the Houston Texans. This reward (Crown) goes to him or her that has continually returned to the LORD´s service.

    8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    I am a proud American Veteran and I know that the man living under the bridge on the way into town is among the top ten percent of the wealthiest people in the world. In my latter years I have found that it concerns me that I can no longer be a wealth contributing member to the nation I live in but, at the same time, I now have the time to do greater works for the LORD than I have ever done in the past, I am richer in my poverty than I ever was in my wealth. I find new ways to help my Church Family (the Church) than I ever had the time to discover in the past.

    10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

    What a sweet promise! Think about what Jesus has just said in the fashion of a parable. When we look back, just before the Millennial Reign is finished, these seventy to hundred years or so will be but a wisp in time. As a Christian, my time of trouble is very short but for those that never call upon the LORD for salvation will still be suffering ten thousand years from today. They will suffer the Second Death every day, all day long.

    12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

    The most important thing of all to remember is that the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Christians is neither stupid, nor is God blind. There is a rule for the beginning of understanding scripture, ¨Never attempt to understand any verse or group of verses with out the light of all scripture shinning upon it.¨ When we allow the world to influence our teaching, the way we have in the matter of judgement, as per Matt. 1, we are teaching the doctrines Satan wants for us... a doctrine of Balaam? It is not of the LORD. In Mal. 3:6a we learn that God never changes.

    Any time you can listen to or read a teaching that is contrary to what God has taught in the past and it does not line up with the Word of God without bending something... it is not from God, no matter how much it tickles your ears or warms your heart, it is a lie and not from God.

    16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

    One contention I have always taught and frequently rebuked for is that the instructions to all of the churches in Asia is cumulative and additionally, is applicable for instruction to all Christianity. The evidence for this position is found in the pluralization of the word church in the cautions of these passages.

    18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

    A Christian, a name to commonly used today, or a church can do multitudes of good works and all of it amount to nothing if it is performed under the wrong circumstances. In the passage above we find that a woman named Jezebel has proclaimed herself a Prophetess is teaching in the church and leading them into fornication. We need be very careful with this term here. It is a practical requirement that one come to an understanding of the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament of our modern day Bibles) before the Revelation of Jesus, as given to John can ever begin to be understood.

    Here fornication can mean two and perhaps more things. The first is the obvious one involving a man and a strange woman. The second, as defined in the scriptures is God´s people, having given themselves to Him, also seeking to serve other, lessor, gods. In my understanding of this passage I have not been led to discard the first entirely but rest most heavily on the Children of God playing with their idols/other gods.

    22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

    It is a terrible thing to ne found in the hands of a Wrathful God!

    23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    A Spiritual Inventory is a good thing for any man or woman to do of themselves, your very position in Eternity depends on it.

    24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star. 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    I do not know why the translators were led to break here and to let the next churches messages begin a new chapter but with all that is within me I know that they were led of the LORD to do so and for that reason and none other this study will wait on next weeks teaching.
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  2. Bill, your heart is Glowing sir :)

    God Bless you abundantly
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  3. Bill.....I think that Jesus is being pictured here in the letter to the churches as an "inspector". It looks to me as if He is walking among the candelsticks (Pastors) and reporting on what He is seeing in their work and how it has affected those around him.
  4. Thank you Chili. When I committed, surrendered, myself to God I had no idea the things He would teach me nor could I have ever conceived the relationship I had embarked upon. God is really awesome.
  5. Your perception of this does not argue or contradict what the Spirit is teaching me and that is an interesting point for me to meditate on.
  6. Hey, it is only a thought to be considered. It absolutly DOES NOT argue or contridict what you posted my friend.
  7. First question what does this mean ?
    "you or one you know has performed the ¨duties¨ required for Salvation and there is no visible change you might need to council with them."

    and this .....

    " For those of us that are secure in our salvation, we need to do a Spiritual Inventory! Remember the fire of the moment when we were saved? Does it hurt your heart (your inner being) to see thousands of Lost Men and Women walking around you every day? In Matt. 28:18-20 Jesus called us to the Great Commission and to nothing else! How many people have you asked to receive the LORD in the last month and how many Babes in Christ have you Discipled (Mentored) to Spiritual Maturity? "

    Makes me feel like I'm not doing anything..I got saved over a year ago I think . Its not that I don't care about other people.. It makes me really sad to think of anyone going to hell... Its just right now, I can't do much . Heck I'm not even going to church bc my family is struggling finacially, I'm 19 trying to get into school.. and I feel I have alot on my plate... Its just the way ou said it makes me feel like I'm lazing around but I'm not.. my hands are tied : /

  8. You should have noted the emphasis placed on the word, duties. This was not meant to be funny, as in hilarious, but rather it was given and marked for a tongue in cheek comment to all the millions of ¨Christians¨ with their ¨magic formulas¨ for salvation. It was a slight aimed at such folks.

    As a New Christian there are many, lazy, Christians that will tell you not to worry about it, you´re still a Babe in Christ and it will come to you later, not I. In my first year I witnessed to a dog if it stood still long enough.

    I´m going to tell you a true story to bring this into focus for you. When I joined the US Army in Jan. of ´62, I was as raw a recruit as they come. Right away I was trained to use Machine-Guns, Pistols, Semi and Full Automatic Rifles on Full silhouette, life sized targets to break down any natural disturbances about killing men. After I attended Helicopter Maintenance School for my certificate of graduation I spent the next four years playing War Games, two fighting the German Army in Europe, to become better skilled, prepared for, War.

    In the beginning I was not very good at my job but the more I practiced, the better I became and the less I worried about my future of having to kill men. When I went to Vietnam, the first time, I blew the targets on the ground to pieces. The immediate measure of my skill was the oft known suddenness of the Fifty Caliber to cease firing at us. When I returned for the two remaining tours I no longer fired at targets, they were people and I no longer tried to fool myself. I had become a seasoned War Veteran and I did my best to finish the training those kids received to little of and every pilot was willing to fly my aircraft, I was a pro.

    The same thing is true of the Christian! In Matt. 28:18-20 you, I and every Saved Man and Woman are called to witness and to disciple the lost to the best of our ability and the longer you put it off, the less likely that you will ever be anything more than a Pew Whale, sitting there Sunday after Sunday,thinking, eed me, feed me!

    Thatś as good an excuse as any other but an excuse is all that it is. You do not need to spend a penny to walk to church, one in your neighborhood. And all you need is a Bible (there´s one available in most Dollar Stores for a buck or less) and a pair of pants to wear to begin witnessing.
  9. Excellant example. I was right there with you my brother.......'68-'69.

    Practice makes perfection!
  10. Major,
    Your not one of my heroes are you? Any Officer that was fool enough to crawl onto one of those under maintained and repeatedly patched Hueys with me and those hair-brained kids is my hero! My first tour was mid-June ´67 thru mid-June ´67 and I returned late May ´68 thru Nov 24, ´69. My call was spade 806 Whiskey Tango.
  11. A hero is someone who does the right thing when he is scared to death!

    Anyone who flew those things were the heros.
  12. You do know that we were just the servants and the Infantryman was my master? I slept on a cot, on top of my sleeping bag every night. Those poor kids slept, if they could, where they dropped. The only real good I did as a lost man was done in that helicopter.
  13. Yes my friend I certainly do.

    I made it a point to stay with the men. If it was good enough for them then it was good enough for me.
  14. Well then to resurrect a sleeping thread..........I just read in Fox's 'Christian Martyrs of the world' that there were ten periods of persecution. If I ever knew that, I had forgotten. But it did recall for me the letter to Smyrna. Much meditation needed here.
  15. Calvin...........

    J. Vernon MaGee in his book series ..... "Through The Bible" gives an excellant breakdown of these 10 periods of persection. I reccomned it highly!!
  16. I have passed my five volumes forward to a gentleman that has surrendered to the ministry but I also recommend them for this point and many, many, others.

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