Re-thinking "Job"

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You know what I find fascinating about Job? All those verses about the behemoth. The Leviathan is mentioned too? What do you think that's all about? Dinosaurs or the great dragon? Are these validations of Revelations beasts? The other thing I find interesting about Job is God affirming His creation. I was reading a book by Horn/Missler - Exovaticana which references Job quite a bit.
 
What do you think this applies to?

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
Job 40:16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
Job 40:18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
Job 40:19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
Job 40:20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
Job 40:21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
Job 40:22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
Job 40:23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
Job 40:24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.
Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
Job 41:2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?
Job 41:3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?
Job 41:4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?
Job 41:5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?
Job 41:6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?
Job 41:7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?
Job 41:8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.
Job 41:9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?
Job 41:10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?
Job 41:11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
Job 41:12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.
Job 41:13 Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?
Job 41:14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.
Job 41:15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.
Job 41:16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.
Job 41:17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.
Job 41:18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
Job 41:19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
Job 41:20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
Job 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
Job 41:22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.
Job 41:23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.
Job 41:24 His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.
Job 41:25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.
Job 41:26 The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.
Job 41:27 He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.
Job 41:28 The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.
Job 41:29 Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.
Job 41:30 Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.
Job 41:31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.
Job 41:32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.
Job 41:33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
 
What do you think this applies to?

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
Job 40:16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
Job 40:18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
Job 40:19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
Job 40:20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
Job 40:21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
Job 40:22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
Job 40:23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
Job 40:24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.
Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
Job 41:2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?
Job 41:3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?
Job 41:4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?
Job 41:5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?
Job 41:6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?
Job 41:7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?
Job 41:8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.
Job 41:9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?
Job 41:10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?
Job 41:11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
Job 41:12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.
Job 41:13 Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?
Job 41:14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.
Job 41:15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.
Job 41:16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.
Job 41:17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.
Job 41:18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
Job 41:19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
Job 41:20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
Job 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
Job 41:22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.
Job 41:23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.
Job 41:24 His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.
Job 41:25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.
Job 41:26 The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.
Job 41:27 He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.
Job 41:28 The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.
Job 41:29 Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.
Job 41:30 Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.
Job 41:31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.
Job 41:32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.
Job 41:33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

Doesn't Behemoth roam the land and Leviathan the sea?
 
Doesn't Behemoth roam the land and Leviathan the sea?

Yes...that's my understanding but I think? they both represent the great dragon Satan. Usually these verses are often quoted on dinosaur threads. I think that is why God takes so many verses to expound on them. The only creatures in creation made without fear.
Job 41:33
Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
Job 41:34
He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
 
Job opened the door to satan himself. How ? by stepping out of faith and into fear and doubt.

So Job's initial fear and doubt opened the door to ''satan'' himself. Job's continuous fear and doubt kept the door open. Only when Job had faith and no doubt, the door closed. Correct?

What fear and doubt was this exactly? Since it opened the door to ''satan'' himself, is it a more significant fear and doubt? Is there evidence that Job stayed in fear and doubt?

Fear that God is not God? Fear that God will leave and forsake him? Fear of the devil? Please explain Jim. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.
 
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The book I'm currently reading has some interesting things to say about Leviathan & Behemoth - indicating one is female and the other male.

From there (Eygpt), the ancient Israelites moved to Canaan, where they encountered
tales of the Leviathan, a dragon described as “the twisting serpent, the close–
coiling one with seven heads,” by the Canaanites (KTU[ 206] 1.5: 1: 1)[ 207] and
appears six times in five verses of the Hebrew Bible (Job 3: 8 and 41: 1; Psalm
74: 13– 14 and 104: 26; and Isaiah 27: 1). According to Christoph Uehlinger, a
religious studies professor at the University of Zurich, it’s likely that Leviathan
was assimilated by the Egyptians as “Apophis, a huge serpent who during the night
tries to hinder the sun-god’s travel through the netherworld.”[ 208] According to
1 Enoch, Leviathan is a female dragon located at the bottom of the sea and
Behemoth is a male dragon living in the desert. And on that day were two
monsters parted, a female monster named Leviathan, to dwell in the abysses of
the ocean over the fountains of the waters. But the male is named Behemoth,
who occupied with his breast a waste wilderness named Dûidâin, on the east of the
garden where the elect and righteous dwell, where my grandfather was taken up,
the seventh from Adam, the first man whom the Lord of Spirits created. (Enoch
60: 7– 8) This beastly bifurcation is also mentioned in the apocryphal text 4 Ezra
6: 49– 52. If one accepts the ancient tradition, Leviathan still lurks in the deep,
plotting to destroy the world: And I saw there the sea and its islands, and its
animals and its fishes, and Leviathan and his spouse, and his lair, and his dens,
and the world which lies upon him, and his motions and the destruction of the
world because of him. (Apocalypse of Abraham 21: 4)[ 209] Leviathan is
eschatologically connected to the “Day of the Lord,” because Isaiah prophesied:
In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish
leviathan the piercing serpent, Even leviathan that crooked serpent; And he shall
slay the dragon that is in the sea. (Isaiah 27: 1) We suspect that Leviathan is a
real reptilian entity, a highly intelligent, immortal, divine creation in chaotic
rebellion. When the underworld portal is opened, this sea serpent will briefly visit
untold horror on the earth, only to face judgment when facing “the Son of man
sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven” (Matthew
26: 64). The Behemoth depicted by Job 40: 15– 24 (10– 19) is also best
understood as a preternatural creature possessing supernatural characteristics.[
210] While connections to other ancient Near-Eastern dragons have been
suggested, Behemoth seems to be a distinct entity paired with Leviathan. This
dragon might very well manifest from the earth when the portal to the abyss is
opened (Revelation 9: 1). However, you might be surprised to learn that not all
flying serpents in Scripture are fallen. Although many Christians probably recoil at
the thought that God created serpentine divine beings, as we demonstrated in
chapter 1 (“ What Is This All About?”), Scripture does support the notion. It is
also telling how the Watchers were described in explicitly reptilian terms[ 211] by
the ancient Hebrews, lending support to the idea that fallen ones may have
matched the depiction of human sacrifice-demanding “fiery serpents” whose
characteristics are partly human in appearance. With a proper understanding of
the biblical Seraphim and Watchers, the Mesoamerican connection no longer seems
so fanciful. The plumed serpent gods of the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incans share
the same basic description as the biblical flying serpentine humanoids.

Horn, Thomas; Putnam, Cris (2015-06-09). On the Path of the Immortals: Exo-
Vaticana, Project L. U. C. I. F. E. R. , and the Strategic Locations Where
Entities Await the Appointed Time (Kindle Locations 2004-2007). Defender
Publishing LLC (June 1, 2015). Kindle Edition.
 
So Job's initial fear and doubt opened the door to ''satan'' himself. Job's continuous fear and doubt kept the door open. Only when Job had faith and no doubt, the door closed. Correct?

What fear and doubt was this exactly? Since it opened the door to ''satan'' himself, is it a more significant fear and doubt? Is there evidence that Job stayed in fear and doubt?

Fear that God is not God? Fear that God will leave and forsake him? Fear of the devil? Please explain Jim. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.
I'll try one more time...

Fear his kids would die in their sins... hence all the sacrifices when they partied. That's why when they died he said "what I feared came"... He was doing what he was doing out of fear and not in faith. If you watch porn, you're opening the door to the seducing spirits. You eat nothing but junk food, you're opening the door to the spirit of infirmity and gluttony. You talk about your neighbor, you're opening the door to the spirit of gossip. Be holy for I am holy says the Lord. When we don't deal with those thoughts that exalt themselves above the promises of God, those thoughts are seeds planted in the garden of our minds which bear fruit in due time and then we have to deal with them as they affect our bodies.
 
And I will try again. God made every living creature with the ability to feel fear (except the Behemoth/Leviathan). To worry about your children is a natural reflex for good parents. If Job sacrificed to idols as a result of his fear...that would be a sin. Fear is not a sin nor does it leave you open to Satan, on it's own. After the loss of his children and material goods...God still called Job blameless.
Job 2:3
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
 
I'll try one more time...

Fear his kids would die in their sins... hence all the sacrifices when they partied. That's why when they died he said "what I feared came"... He was doing what he was doing out of fear and not in faith. If you watch porn, you're opening the door to the seducing spirits. You eat nothing but junk food, you're opening the door to the spirit of infirmity and gluttony. You talk about your neighbor, you're opening the door to the spirit of gossip. Be holy for I am holy says the Lord. When we don't deal with those thoughts that exalt themselves above the promises of God, those thoughts are seeds planted in the garden of our minds which bear fruit in due time and then we have to deal with them as they affect our bodies.
And I will try again. God made every living creature with the ability to feel fear (except the Behemoth/Leviathan). To worry about your children is a natural reflex for good parents. If Job sacrificed to idols as a result of his fear...that would be a sin. Fear is not a sin nor does it leave you open to Satan, on it's own. After the loss of his children and material goods...God still called Job blameless.
Job 2:3
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Silk and I shall try again as well,
The sin that is in question is not fear - The sin was always about satan wanting Job to curse God. In all of this Job did not sin by cursing God. This was satans plan -to get job to curse God but job made many mistakes but he never cursed God and that is why it is said job sin not.

Now then Fear is not Godly. You say to worry about your children is good. No worry is not good. To be concerned and take the propper action would be correct. Trusting them to God is another propper way.

Fear-worry-doubt and unbelief- unforgivness and not walking in love ALL OPEN THE DOOR OR GIVE satan A RIGHT AT YOU THAT he DID NOT HAVE COMING.
Where do you think Job got this idea that his children would party and sin against God ?
Why of course it was satan and this was simply the start of it all. The devil wanted to destroy job by hurting God. It never happened.

God did not give satan permission to attack job but God did say spare his life or God set a limit. Job gave satan right to do this by his words and actions. When satan started placing these thoughts in jobs mind all Job had to do was take those thoughts captive and make them line up with the written word and job would not have fallen into fear or worry.

Oh yea Job did not have a bible or a new covenat with God through Christ Jesus. The devil still had not been defeated by the blood of Christ. No one has said job sinned by fear - it has been said that job opened the door and God did not give satan permission.

OBTW yes fear is a human emotion or trait or a normal fleshly action - however we are to train ourselves to not walk by these but by the spirit of GOD through His written word.
NO place in the written word of God does it say worry or fear is a good thing. Only people think this.

Fear of the Lord is not the same fear and can not be used as fear is good for us nor is saying fear of the truck flying down the road will hurt you if you cross in front of it. Thats common sense.
God Bless
Jim
 
Satan has dominion of this earthly realm - we gave it to him. He can take away your children, your prosperity and your health. He does this so you will give up your faith in God. You are born with a target on your back. It's a bigger target if you are a believer. Just breathing makes you a target. The story of Job is not about not worrying about your children, else you let Satan in because the alternative is not caring or loving your children. For the believer, no matter what happens....God makes it right. Job did not step out of faith with God. He did nothing to bring these horrors on himself or his family. You are saying his fears opened the door to Satan to act against him. That's not how I am reading the scriptures in this book. I don't disagree that when we step out of faith, we are even more vulnerable and invite bad things to happen. But that isn't what this book is teaching. This book is teaching us to stay in faith no matter what happens to us because we don't know every heft and weave of God's plan but we are promised we will be restored in the end if we keep our faith.
 
Satan has dominion of this earthly realm - we gave it to him. He can take away your children, your prosperity and your health. He does this so you will give up your faith in God. You are born with a target on your back. It's a bigger target if you are a believer. Just breathing makes you a target. The story of Job is not about not worrying about your children, else you let Satan in because the alternative is not caring or loving your children. For the believer, no matter what happens....God makes it right. Job did not step out of faith with God. He did nothing to bring these horrors on himself or his family. You are saying his fears opened the door to Satan to act against him. That's not how I am reading the scriptures in this book. I don't disagree that when we step out of faith, we are even more vulnerable and invite bad things to happen. But that isn't what this book is teaching. This book is teaching us to stay in faith no matter what happens to us because we don't know every heft and weave of God's plan but we are promised we will be restored in the end if we keep our faith.
So then, for what did Job repent of if he did nothing wrong?

Job 42:6 (KJV)
Wherefore I abhor [myself], and repent in dust and ashes.
 
Job repented for thinking he knew more then he did.
Job 42:2
I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
Job 42:3
Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
 
Job repented for thinking he knew more then he did.
Job 42:2
I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
Job 42:3
Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

The Behemoth and Leviathan do sound like Satan's minions. Would you please, again, connect these fearless creatures with the dragons of Revelation? Silk you are very knowledgable. I can only take small bites of spiritual food at a time.
 
Now I feel like I'm being mocked....whatever. Along with reading post #57, Horn & Putnam draw parallels with the Revelation dragon as quoted below. Leviathan is mentioned 4 times in the bible:
Job_41:1
Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
Psa_74:14
Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.
Psa_104:26
There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.
Isa_27:1
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Coming full circle, Satan portrayed as a seven-headed dragon is reminiscent of Leviathan, who is similarly judged (Isaiah 27: 1). The Leviathan-Behemoth tradition, discussed previously (Enoch 60: 7– 8), also informs the symbols for the Antichrist as the first beast that “rose out of the Sea” (13: 1) and the False Prophet as “another beast coming up out of the earth” (13: 11). While the two humans are defeated and thrown into the Lake of Fire, according to another ancient tradition, Leviathan and Behemoth are barbecued and served: And it shall come to pass when all is accomplished that was to come to pass in those parts, that the Messiah shall then begin to be revealed. And Behemoth shall be revealed from his place and Leviathan shall ascend from the sea, those two great monsters which I created on the fifth day of creation, and shall have kept until that time; and then they shall be for food for all that are left. (2 Baruch 28: 7).[ 235]
Horn, Thomas; Putnam, Cris (2015-06-09). On the Path of the Immortals: Exo-Vaticana, Project L. U. C. I. F. E. R. , and the Strategic Locations Where Entities Await the Appointed Time (Kindle Locations 2156-2158). Defender Publishing LLC (June 1, 2015). Kindle Edition.
 
Satan has dominion of this earthly realm - we gave it to him. He can take away your children, your prosperity and your health. He does this so you will give up your faith in God. You are born with a target on your back. It's a bigger target if you are a believer. Just breathing makes you a target. The story of Job is not about not worrying about your children, else you let Satan in because the alternative is not caring or loving your children. For the believer, no matter what happens....God makes it right. Job did not step out of faith with God. He did nothing to bring these horrors on himself or his family. You are saying his fears opened the door to Satan to act against him. That's not how I am reading the scriptures in this book. I don't disagree that when we step out of faith, we are even more vulnerable and invite bad things to happen. But that isn't what this book is teaching. This book is teaching us to stay in faith no matter what happens to us because we don't know every heft and weave of God's plan but we are promised we will be restored in the end if we keep our faith.


Silk I am sorry but this is simply not 100 percent correct. Your understanding of our part as a believer in Christ is not 100 percent correct for we have our part to do and that is walk according to His word. When a believer is NOT doing this God is not under any obligation to make things right for a believer and Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Does NOT simply happen because we are born again.

No we must be walking upright and this means in Love and forgiveness and in Faith which means no room for doubt - fear and unbelief and worry. you can come against this and lecture me as you have but it simply will not change the written word of God.

Do you think He said do not worry all those times because He needed to fill the pages ? Or how about do not fear or stop the fear but only believe. Does this say it is ok to fear? and if it is ok then why would He say DONT.

God Bless
Jim
 
Do a word search on fear and you will find plenty of passages that have fear without the not. Fear not in scripture is told so that all will understand that God is omnipotent and all powerful and against that - evil has no chance of success. You are told to fear God but you want to ignore those scriptures. It is you adding to scripture - not me. Nowhere is Job castigated for having fears and causing the catastrophes that happened to him. Saying that he worried about his children doesn't cutt it as an open invitation to satan to do as he will. Christians...good Christians, die physical death...they get ill, they lose thir jobs, they have accidents while walking in faith. If you want to believe otherwise, it's your choice. I don't comfort victims by blaming them. If I get sick - my faith is intact and I find comfort in God. If you get sick, you are wondering what door you left open to evil. My faith is never at risk.
 
Do a word search on fear and you will find plenty of passages that have fear without the not. Fear not in scripture is told so that all will understand that God is omnipotent and all powerful and against that - evil has no chance of success. You are told to fear God but you want to ignore those scriptures. It is you adding to scripture - not me. Nowhere is Job castigated for having fears and causing the catastrophes that happened to him. Saying that he worried about his children doesn't cutt it as an open invitation to satan to do as he will. Christians...good Christians, die physical death...they get ill, they lose thir jobs, they have accidents while walking in faith. If you want to believe otherwise, it's your choice. I don't comfort victims by blaming them. If I get sick - my faith is intact and I find comfort in God. If you get sick, you are wondering what door you left open to evil. My faith is never at risk.


Silk Please stop and think. Stop throwing all the different meanings of fear into this one meaning we are talking about. Fear of something bad (worry ) such as jobs kids sinning against God is not the same fear as fear God. So why do you constantly want to challenge this with the word in another context ?

Please do not accuse me or others of adding things to scripture or leaving out things simply based on your understanding. I do not mean any disrespect Silk at all. As to the rest of what you said - now who is adding to what has been said. ; )
God Bless You silk - Love in Christ
Jim
 
Silk Please stop and think. Stop throwing all the different meanings of fear into this one meaning we are talking about. Fear of something bad (worry ) such as jobs kids sinning against God is not the same fear as fear God. So why do you constantly want to challenge this with the word in another context ?

Is the same hebrew word used for fear of God as fear of whatever else? I think it is. Again, we are made with the feeling of fear. A flight or fight reflex for our protection. You want to blame Job for what satan does to him and yet God himself says AFTER Job loses his children and material goods that he is blameless. That is what scripture says. You say Job invited satan in by worrying about his kids. IT does not say that in scripture. Job says he's met his worst fears. Fearing that they wouldn't happen didn't cause what happened. So I am not "accusing", I am stating what you say is not in scripture. That is not my interpetation...that is flat out what it says. God does not castigate Job for his fears/falling out of faith - God says Job doesn't know everything. Job agrees and repents. You want to say if you are walking in the spirit that bad things won't happen to you. All of scripture and the real world deny this.
 
Is the same hebrew word used for fear of God as fear of whatever else? I think it is. Again, we are made with the feeling of fear. A flight or fight reflex for our protection. You want to blame Job for what satan does to him and yet God himself says AFTER Job loses his children and material goods that he is blameless. That is what scripture says. You say Job invited satan in by worrying about his kids. IT does not say that in scripture. Job says he's met his worst fears. Fearing that they wouldn't happen didn't cause what happened. So I am not "accusing", I am stating what you say is not in scripture. That is not my interpetation...that is flat out what it says. God does not castigate Job for his fears/falling out of faith - God says Job doesn't know everything. Job agrees and repents. You want to say if you are walking in the spirit that bad things won't happen to you. All of scripture and the real world deny this.

Silk Love you but you are twisting what was said.
I have said all I need to say - You believe in what you understand is all there is to it so nothing I or any one else can say will make a dent in that. So God Bless You and try to understand that words such as fear - have more then one charactor definition or meaning or way it is used just like so many other words in the bible.

Yea fear just like sin and lust and greed and rage and so forth are all human characteristics but it does not amke them ok or something we should allow as the so called norm. Scripture teaches the oposite and tells us to renew the mind which is our thinking unto His ways so we can learn to walk in the spirit and not the flesh. In the spirit there is no fear or worry or doubt and so forth.
 
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