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Limbo
In the theology of the Catholic Church, Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell) is a speculative idea about the afterlife condition of those who die in original sin without being assigned to the Hell of the damned. Limbo is not an official doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church or any other. Medieval theologians described the underworld ("hell", "hades", "infernum") as divided into four distinct parts: hell of the damned (which some call Gehenna), Purgatory, limbo of the fathers, and limbo of infants.


Purgatory
See also: Intermediate state, Soul sleep, Limbo, Heaven, Hell, Paradise, Bosom of Abraham, Sheol, Hades in Christianity, and Hell in Christianity

Image of a fiery purgatory in the Très Riches Heures du Duc de Berry
Image of a non-fiery purgatory (Gustave Doré: illustration for Dante's Purgatorio, Canto 24)
Our Lady of Mount Carmel with angels and souls in Purgatory. Baroque sculpture from Beniajan, SpainPurgatory is the condition or process of purification or temporary punishment[1] in which, it is believed, the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for Heaven. This is an idea that has ancient roots and is well-attested in early Christian literature, while the conception of purgatory as a geographically situated place is largely the creation of medieval Christian piety and imagination.[1]
The notion of purgatory is associated particularly with the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church (in the Eastern sui juris churches or rites it is a doctrine, though often without using the name "Purgatory"); Anglicans of the Anglo-Catholic tradition generally also hold to the belief. John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, believed in an intermediate state between death and the final judgment and in the possibility of "continuing to grow in holiness there", but Methodism does not officially affirm his belief and denies the possibility of helping by prayer any who may be in that state.[2] The Eastern Orthodox Churches believe in the possibility of a change of situation for the souls of the dead through the prayers of the living and the offering of the Divine Liturgy,[3] and many Orthodox, especially among ascetics, hope and pray for a general apocatastasis.[4] A similar belief in at least the possibility of a final salvation for all is held by Mormonism.[5] Judaism also believes in the possibility of after-death purification[6] and may even use the word "purgatory" to present its understanding of the meaning of Gehenna.[7] However, the concept of soul "purification" may be explicitly denied in these other faith traditions.
The word "purgatory", derived through Anglo-Norman and Old French from the Latin word purgatorium.[8] has come to refer also to a wide range of historical and modern conceptions of postmortem suffering short of everlasting damnation,[1] and is used, in a non-specific sense, to mean any place or condition of suffering or torment, especially one that is temporary.[9]
History of purgatoryMain article: History of purgatory
While use of the word "purgatory" (in Latin purgatorium) as a noun appeared perhaps only between 1160 and 1180, giving rise to the idea of purgatory as a place[10] (what Jacques Le Goff called the "birth" of purgatory),[11] the Roman Catholic tradition of purgatory as a transitional condition has a history that dates back, even before Jesus, to the worldwide practice of caring for the dead and praying for them, and to the belief, found also in Judaism,[12] from which Christianity grew, that prayer for the dead contributed to their afterlife purification. The same practice appears in other traditions, such as the medieval Chinese Buddhist practice of making offerings on behalf of the dead, who are said to suffer numerous trials.[1] Roman Catholic belief in purgatory is based, among other reasons, on the previous Jewish practice of prayer for the dead,[13] a practice that presupposes that the dead are thereby assisted between death and their entry into their final abode.[1]
 
Did you miss this last piece?

The same practice appears in other traditions, such as the medieval Chinese Buddhist practice of making offerings on behalf of the dead, who are said to suffer numerous trials.[1] Roman Catholic belief in purgatory is based, among other reasons, on the previous Jewish practice of prayer for the dead,[13] a practice that presupposes that the dead are thereby assisted between death and their entry into their final abode.[
 
You are quibbling. I said I liked the idea of praying for the dead because I know it helps them. You can believe what you want, of course.
 
As a matter of fact, I didn't miss it. But you (apparently) missed the part where Catholics pray for the dead to help their soul's final repose.

Roman Catholic belief in purgatory is based, among other reasons, on the previous Jewish practice of prayer for the dead,[13] a practice that presupposes that the dead are thereby assisted between death and their entry into their final abode.[
 
The notion of Limbo was never Catholic doctrine. It was assumed by some due to a legalistic interpretation of the actions necessary for salvation. I believe it was St. Augustine who came up with the notion.
Purgatory is an activity, not a place. It is the penance for sins for those that did not do their due diligence before death.

I'm sure you can find the Official Doctrine in the links that Rusty provided.
As stated before, go to the source, misinformation is rampant on the net.
 
Glomung said: "As stated before, go to the source, misinformation is rampant on the net."
Not only on the net. I'm not arguing with you on this...I heard a long time ago, or maybe I read it.....too long ago to recall which.....the priests/bishops/ friars..were fond of saying 'a soul flies free from purgatory with the tinkle of every coin in the offertory' words to that effect anyway. Because of that and probably other things I have always thought it was a place.....never occurred to me that there could be any other meaning.
 
I'm not so worried about sexual orientation but there are 1.2 Billion (with a B) catholics worldwide. They are the largest Christian segment. I agree that if the Catholic church falls, we will all suffer greatly. I AM not Catholic but some of the best people I have known in this life are. To leave this large section of christianity to the devil's fate is stupid and dangerous to all. Pray
Amen. I have many good Catholic friends. As long as they don't mention saints and Mary as idols we get on ok.
 
That would be St. Augustine of Hippo, and interesting fellow, had a bit of a guilt complex though and that flavored his theology.

That was "whenever a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs", which is not only bad rhyme but horrid theology. From day one, the body of Christ has had to fight heresy, peasant theology, bad philosophy and every sort of assinine and stupid notion from often well meaning but deluded people.
Well, at least Satan has a hobby.
 
That would be St. Augustine of Hippo, and interesting fellow, had a bit of a guilt complex though and that flavored his theology.

That was "whenever a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs", which is not only bad rhyme but horrid theology. From day one, the body of Christ has had to fight heresy, peasant theology, bad philosophy and every sort of assinine and stupid notion from often well meaning but deluded people.
Well, at least Satan has a hobby.
Thanks....I confessed up front that my 'total recall' is only 'partial recall':)
 
Thanks...I thought so, Glo...wasn't positive.

That "whenever a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs" was attributed to Johann Tetzel, disgraced Dominican friar in charge through Germany to collect Indulgences....half of used to pay off the his boss' debts to the Vatican to get him installed as Archbishop of Mainz...the other half went to help build St Peter's Cathedral in Rome.

That is some creative financing!
 
Apologies Calvin. Rusty believes that once you are dead physically, that's all she wrote about salvation. I passionately do not
Hebrews 9:27 'And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment'.

Judgment follows death. Scripture is clear on this point.
 
I was trying to address an earlier post that no one else seemed to address. I felt this was something that Silk should consider in light of what she said in that post.
 
I don't really know, but I think Silk's comment was...
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Hebrews 9:27 'And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment'.

Judgment follows death. Scripture is clear on this point.

Dunno why I am answering this but Judgement will not be held until after Christ's second coming. If Judgement happens after the death of the temporal body - then I missed the whole dang second coming.

Truly, I am wondering if I am the only one who reads these threads stem to stern (Ok OK Calvin and Major excepted altho they do not agree with me on this point,) Sorry, Darby - just needed to vent some. As for most Christians believing otherwise - I would point out that the Catholics are the largest segment of Christianity (google it - I'm tired of links) and they do believe in lighting candles and praying for the repose of souls. (Geez, I wonder who has me on ignore?)
 
Note that the verse says that judgment occurs after death. Of course, there are judgments after the return of Christ, but that doesn't rule out all judgment that may occur in the mean time. We must be careful to note exactly what scripture says.
 
Note that the verse says that judgment occurs after death. Of course, there are judgments after the return of Christ, but that doesn't rule out all judgment that may occur in the mean time. We must be careful to note exactly what scripture says.

So, some people, according to your interpetation, get final judgement from Christ, before judgement day? And those living at the time of judgement get a free pass, mark of the beast or no?
 
As the Goons once remarked "All very confusing really"
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Ahhh they were the good ol' days!




before canned laughter ruined comedy completely.

Mr Darby posted :
Hebrews 9:27 'And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment'.

Judgment follows death. Scripture is clear on this point.
Yes siree it is
But does it say what the time interval between death and judgment is?
There is no time in heaven or the other place, only eternity.
When John spoke of silence in heaven for about 1/2 an hour, that was probably just a figure of speech.....he didn't have a rolex.
 
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