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Pope Resigns - Sign Of The Times?

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Silk, Feb 28, 2013.

  1. The current Pope is resigning his post amidst allegations that Vatican priests used male prostitutes, and the Archbishop in England resigns amidst claims that he attempted? to sexually abuse men studying to be priests. I am wondering about Malachi's prophecy of the line of popes, of which it has been said that Benedict was the last "good" pope. (I think it was John Paul II myself.) This is also on the heels of so-called papal banking scandals. What the heck is going on here?
  2. Actually it was the Bishop of Scotland, not England.

    Please explain your idea that the prophet Malachi spoke of popes.
  3. Hey Rusty, well the link I posted does a very thorough and fair description - but basically, St.Malachy was said to have had a vision of all the popes down to the end times in the 1100's. Pope Benedict is purported to be the last "good" pope, leaving the way open for bad things. You are, of course, right about the Scotland as opposed to English (but last I heard Scotland is part of England, and this Archbishop covers all the Catholics in the British Isles.)

    I brought this up because it appears to me that the Catholic Church is under attack from both within and without, and while the leadership may deserve this come uppance, the regular parishioner does not. It seems to me we should stand with our brothers and sisters in Christ, I'm just not sure how.

    "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me." Martin Niemoller
  4. I know it's not Christian based, therefore probably more in line with Mayan calender stuff, but didn't Nostradaemus say that this next pope will be the last pope?
    And yes. I think we should pray for the Catholic Church.
  5. Actually, Malachy is a catholic saint and the link I posted is from the Catholic pages. Nostradamus has indicated that the Catholic church does run into grave troubles during the time of the Antichrist. I agree about praying for the Catholics, wholeheartedly.
  6. Well Malachi and St. Malachy are not the same people....hence my confusion.

    I didn't look at your link, as I am cautious of links that are not described.
  7. S'ok...were you thinking Malachi Martin? (scariest book I ever read - Hostage to the Devil)..
    ok...I am copying some of the Page. (don't blame you about the links thingy)

    (From the Catholic Encyclopedia 1913 edition)

    The most famous and best known prophecies about the popes are those attributed to St. Malachy. In 1139 he went to Rome to give an account of the affairs of his diocese to the pope, Innocent II, who promised him two palliums for the metropolitan Sees of Armagh and Cashel. While at Rome, he received (according to the Abbé Cucherat) the strange vision of the future wherein was unfolded before his mind the long list of illustrious pontiffs who were to rule the Church until the end of time. The same author tells us that St. Malachy gave his manuscript to Innocent II to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and that the document remained unknown in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590 (Cucherat, "Proph. de la succession des papes", ch. xv). They were first published by Arnold de Wyon, and ever since there has been much discussion as to whether they are genuine predictions of St. Malachy or forgeries. The silence of 400 years on the part of so many learned authors who had written about the popes, and the silence of St. Bernard especially, who wrote the "Life of St. Malachy", is a strong argument against their authenticity, but it is not conclusive if we adopt Cucherat's theory that they were hidden in the Archives during those 400 years.
    These short prophetical announcements, in number 112, indicate some noticeable trait of all future popes from Celestine II, who was elected in the year 1130, until the end of the world. They are enunciated under mystical titles. Those who have undertaken to interpret and explain these symbolical prophecies have succeeded in discovering some trait, allusion, point, or similitude in their application to the individual popes, either as to their country, their name, their coat of arms or insignia, their birth-place, their talent or learning, the title of their cardinalate, the dignities which they held etc. For example, the prophecy concerning Urban VIII is Lilium et Rosa (the lily and the rose); he was a native of Florence and on the arms of Florence figured a fleur-de-lis; he had three bees emblazoned on his escutcheon, and the bees gather honey from the lilies and roses. Again, the name accords often with some remarkable and rare circumstance in the pope's career; thus Peregrinus apostolicus (pilgrim pope), which designates Pius VI, appears to be verified by his journey when pope into Germany, by his long career as pope, and by his expatriation from Rome at the end of his pontificate. Those who have lived and followed the course of events in an intelligent manner during the pontificates of Pius IX, Leo XIII, and Pius X cannot fail to be impressed with the titles given to each by the prophecies of St. Malachy and their wonderful appropriateness: Crux de Cruce (Cross from a Cross) Pius IX; Lumen in cælo (Light in the Sky) Leo XIII; Ignis ardens(Burning Fire) Pius X. There is something more than coincidence in the designations given to these three popes so many hundred years before their time. We need not have recourse either to the family names, armorial bearings or cardinalatial titles, to see the fitness of their designations as given in the prophecies. The afflictions and crosses of Pius IX were more than fell to the lot of his predecessors; and the more aggravating of these crosses were brought on by the House of Savoy whose emblem was a cross. Leo XIII was a veritable luminary of the papacy. The present pope is truly a burning fire of zeal for the restoration of all things to Christ.
    The last of these prophecies concerns the end of the world and is as follows: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End." It has been noticed concerning Petrus Romanus, who according to St. Malachy's list is to be the last pope, that the prophecy does not say that no popes will intervene between him and his predecessor designated Gloria olivæ. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many popes as we please before "Peter the Roman". Cornelius a Lapide refers to this prophecy in his commentary "On the Gospel of St. John" (C. xvi) and "On the Apocalypse" (cc. xvii-xx), and he endeavours to calculate according to it the remaining years of time.


    Note: The Pope numbers given are from a previous work, and do not accord with the official counting of the Vatican. Our current pontiff, Pope Benedict XVI is the 265th Pope. I am unable to explain this discrepancy.
    Note: The commentaries below are only brief and selective. A commentary on every motto is given in Peter Bander's book: The Prophecies of St Malachy.

    The Prophecies

    Pope No. Name (Reign) Motto No. Motto (and explanation)
    167 Celestine II (1143-1144) 1 Ex castro Tyberis
    (from a castle on the Tiber)
    Hist.: Celestin II was born in Citta di Castello, Toscany, on the shores of the Tiber
    168 Lucius II (1144-1145) 2 Inimicus expulsus
    169 Eugene III (1145-1153) 3 Ex magnitudine montis
    (Of the greatness of the mount)
    Hist.: Born in the castle of Grammont (latin: mons magnus), his family name was Montemagno
    170 Anastasius IV (1153-1154) 4 Abbas Suburranus
    171 Adrian IV (1154-1159) 5 De rure albo
    (field of Albe)
    Hist.: Born in the town of Saint-Alban
    Antipope Victor IV (1159-1164) 6 Ex tetro carcere
    Antipope Paschal III (1164-1168) 7 Via trans-Tyberina
    Antipope Calistus III (1168-1178) 8 De Pannonia Tusciæ
    172 Alexander III (1159-1181) 9 Ex ansere custode
    173 Lucius III (1181-1185) 10 Lux in ostio
    174 Urban III (1185-1187) 11 Sus in cribo
    175 Gregory VIII (1187) 12 Ensis Laurentii
    176 Clement III (1187-1191) 13 De schola exiet
    177 Celestine III (1191-1198) 14 De rure bovensi
    178 Innocent III (1198-1216) 15 Comes signatus
    (signed Count)
    Hist.: descendant of the noble Signy, later called Segni family
    179 Honorius III (1216-1227) 16 Canonicus de latere
    180 Gregory IX (1227-1241) 17 Avis Ostiensis
    (Bird of Ostia)
    Hist.: before his election he was Cardinal of Ostia
    181 Celestine IV (1241) 18 Leo Sabinus
    182 Innocent IV (1243-1254) 19 Comes Laurentius
    183 Alexander IV (1254-1261) 20 Signum Ostiense
    184 Urban IV (1261-1264) 21 Hierusalem Campaniæ
    (Jerusalem of Champagne)
    Hist.: native of Troyes, Champagne, later patriarch of Jerusalem
    185 Clement IV (1265-1268) 22 Draca depressus
    186 Gregory X (1271-1276) 23 Anguinus vir
    187 Innocent V (1276) 24 Concionatur Gallus
    188 Adrian V (1276) 25 Bonus Comes
    189 John XXI (1276-1277) 26 Piscator Tuscus
    190 Nicholas III (1277-1280) 27 Rosa composita
    191 Martin IV (1281-1285) 28 Ex teloneo liliacei Martini
    192 Honorius IV (1285-1287) 29 Ex rosa leonina
    193 Nicholas IV (1288-1292) 30 Picus inter escas
    194 Nicholas IV (1288-1292) 31 Ex eremo celsus
    (elevated from a hermit)
    Hist.: prior to his election he was a hermit in the monastery of Pouilles
    195 Boniface VIII (1294-1303) 32 Ex undarum benedictione
    196 Benedict XI (1303-1304) 33 Concionator patereus
    197 Clement V (1305-1314) 34 De fessis Aquitanicis
    (ribbon of Aquitaine)
    Hist.: was archbishop of Bordeaux in Aquitaine
    198 John XXII (1316-1334) 35 De sutore osseo
    (of the cobbler of Osseo)
    Hist.: Family name Ossa, son of a shoe-maker
    Antipope Nicholas V (1328-1330) 36 Corvus schismaticus
    (the schismatic crow)
    Note the reference to the schism, the only antipope at this period
    199 Benedict XII (1334-1342) 37 Frigidus Abbas
    (cold friar)
    Hist.: he was a priest in the monastery of Frontfroid (coldfront)
    200 Clement VI (1342-1352) 38 De rosa Attrebatensi
    201 Innocent VI (1352-1362) 39 De montibus Pammachii
    202 Urban V (1362-1370) 40 Gallus Vice-comes
    203 Gregory XI (1370-1378) 41 Novus de Virgine forti
    (novel of the virgin fort)
    Hist.: count of Beaufort, later Cardinal of Ste-Marie La Neuve
    Antipope Clement VII (1378-1394) 42 De cruce Apostilica
    Antipope Benedict XIII (1394-1423) 43 Luna Cosmedina
    Antipope Clement VIII (1423-1429) 44 Schisma Barcinonicum
    204 Urban VI (1378-1389) 45 De Inferno pregnani(From the hell of Pregnani)
    Hist.: He was a town called Inferno in the region of Pregnani.
    205 Boniface IX (1389-1404) 46 Cubus de mixtione
    206 Innocent VII (1404-1406) 47 De meliore sydere
    207 Gregory XII (1406-1415) 48 Nauta de ponte nigro
    Antipope Alexander V (1409-1410) 49 Flagellum Solis
    Antipope John XXIII (1410-1415) 50 Cervus Sirenæ
    208 Martin V (1417-1431) 51 Corona veli aurei
    209 Eugene IV (1431-1447) 52 Lupa cælestina
    Antipope Felix V (1439-1449) 53 Amator crucis
    210 Nicholas V (1447-1455) 54 De modicitate lunæ
    211 Callistus III (1455-1458) 55 Bos pascens
    (grazing ox)
    Hist.: Alphonse Borgia's arms sported a golden grazing ox
    212 Pius II (1458-1464) 56 De capra et Albergo
    213 Paul II (1464-1471) 57 De cervo et Leone
    214 Sixtus IV (1471-1484) 58 Piscator Minorita
    215 Innocent VIII (1484-1492) 59 Præcursor Siciliæ
    216 Alexander VI (1492-1503) 60 Bos Albanus in portu
    217 Pius III (1503) 61 De parvo homine
    218 Julius II (1503-1513) 62 Fructus jovis juvabit
    219 Leo X (1513-1521) 63 De craticula Politiana
    220 Adrian VI (1522-1523) 64 Leo Florentius
    221 Clement VII (1523-1534) 65 Flos pilæi ægri
    222 Paul III (1534-1549) 66 Hiacynthus medicorum
    223 Julius III (1550-1555) 67 De corona Montana
    224 Marcellus II (1555) 68 Frumentum floccidum
    225 Paul IV (1555-1559) 69 De fide Petri
    226 Pius IV (1559-1565) 70 Æsculapii pharmacum
    227 St. Pius V (1566-1572) 71 Angelus nemorosus
    228 Gregory XIII (1572-1585) 72 Medium corpus pilarum
    229 Sixtus V (1585-1590) 73 Axis in medietate signi
    230 Urban VII (1590) 74 De rore cæli
    231 Gregory XIV (1590-1591) 75 De antiquitate Urbis
    232 Innocent IX (1591) 76 Pia civitas in bello
    233 Clement VIII (1592-1605) 77 Crux Romulea
    234 Leo XI (1605) 78 Undosus Vir
    235 Paul V (1605-1621) 79 Gens perversa
    236 Gregory XV (1621-1623) 80 In tribulatione pacis
    237 Urban VIII (1623-1644) 81 Lilium et rosa
    238 Innocent X (1644-1655) 82 Jucunditas crucis
    239 Alexander VII (1655-1667) 83 Montium custos
    240 Clement IX (1667-1669) 84 Sydus Olorum
    (constellation of swans)
    Hist.: upon his election, he was apparently the occupant of the Chamber of Swans in the Vatican.
    241 Clement X (1670-1676) 85 De flumine magno
    242 Innocent XI (1676-1689) 86 Bellua insatiabilis
    243 Alexander VIII (1689-1691) 87 Pœnitentia gloriosa
    244 Innocent XII (1691-1700) 88 Rastrum in porta
    245 Clement XI (1700-1721) 89 Flores circumdati
    246 Innocent XIII (1721-1724) 90 De bona Religione
    247 Benedict XIII (1724-1730) 91 Miles in bello
    248 Clement XII (1730-1740) 92 Columna excelsa
    249 Benedict XIV (1740-1758) 93 Animal rurale
    250 Clement XIII (1758-1769) 94 Rosa Umbriæ
    251 Clement XIV (1769-1774) 95 Ursus velox
    252 Pius VI (1775-1799) 96 Peregrinus Apostolicus
    253 Pius VII (1800-1823) 97 Aquila rapax
    254 Leo XII (1823-1829) 98 Canis et coluber
    255 Pius VIII (1829-1830) 99 Vir religiosus
    256 Gregory XVI (1831-1846) 100 De balneis hetruriæ
    (bath of Etruria)
    Hist.: prior to his election he was member of an order founded by Saint Romuald, at Balneo, in Etruria, present day Toscany.
    257 Pius IX (1846-1878) 101 Crux de cruce
    (Cross of Crosses)
    Hist.:pius XI was the last Pope to reign over the Papal States (the middle third of what is today Italy). He ended up being a prisoner of the Vatican, never venturing outside Vatican City. A much heavier burden than his predecessors.
    258 Leo XIII (1878-1903) 102 Lumen in cælo(Light in the Heavens)
    Hist.: Leo XIII wrote encyclicals on Catholic social teaching that were still being digested 100 years later. He added considerably to theology.
    259 St. Pius X (1903-1914) 103 Ignis ardens
    (ardent fire)
    Hist.: The Pope had great personal piety and achieved a number of important reforms in the devotional and liturgical life of priests and laypeople.
    260 Benedict XV (1914-1922) 104 Religio depopulata
    (Religion laid waste)
    Hist.: This Pope reigned during the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia which store the establishment of Communism.
    261 Pius XI (1922-1939) 105 Fides intrepida
    (Intrepid faith)
    Hist.: This Pope stood up to Fascist and Communist forces lining up against him in the lead up to World War II.
    262 Pius XII (1939-1958) 106 Pastor angelicus
    (Angelic Shepherd)
    Hist.: This Pope was very mystical, and is believed to have received visions. People would kneel when they received telephone calls from him. His encyclicals add enormously to the understanding of Catholic beliefs (even if they are now overlooked because of focus on the Second Vatican Council, which occurred so soon after his reign).
    263 John XXIII (1958-1963) 107 Pastor et Nauta
    (pastor and marine)
    Hist.: prior to his election he was patriarch of Venice, a marine city, home of the gondolas
    264 Paul VI (1963-1978) 108 Flos florum
    (flower of flowers)
    Hist.: his arms displayed three lilies.
    265 John Paul I (1978) 109 De medietate Lunæ
    (of the half of the moon)
    Hist.: Albino Luciani, born in Canale d'Agardo, diocese of Belluno, (beautiful moon) Elected pope on August 26, his reign lasted about a month, from half a moon to the next half...
    266 John Paul II (1978-2005) 110 De labore Solis
    (of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labour of the sun)
    Hist.: Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse. He also comes from behind the former Iron Curtain (the East, where the Sun rises). He might also be seen to be the fruit of the intercession of the Woman Clothed with the Sun labouring in Revelation 12 (because of his devotion to the Virgin Mary). His Funeral occurred on 8 April, 2005 when there was a solar eclipse visible in the Americas.
    267 Benedict XVI (2005-) 111 Gloria olivæ
    The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order, since a branch of the Benedictine order is called the Olivetans. St Benedict is said to have prophesied that before the end of the world, a member of his order would be Pope and would triumphantly lead the Church in its fight against evil. While the Holy Father chose the name "Benedict", this does not seem enough to fulfil the prophecy. Nor is it clear how Benedict XVI (a Bavarian) is "Glory of the Olives". Since he is said to have remarked in the Conclave after saying he would take the name Benedict that it was partly to honour Benedict XV, a pope of peace and reconciliation, perhaps Benedict XVI will be a peacemaker in the Church or in the World, and thus carry the olive branch.
    In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.
    (In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)
  8. Nope.....Malachi is a Bible prophet....that's why I said "prophet".

    I don't consider St Anybody a prophet.
  9. LOL - ok - I forgot about the prophet. Sorry.
  10. I used to poke around with the prognostications of unbiblical personalities, but gave it up.
  11. Guess that's your miss then, eh? Personally, I leave no stone unturned when I seek truth. But my original purpose to posting was that the Catholic church seems to be under attack from within and without and it worries me. Sorry if it wasted your time.
  12. There are some things worth missing once you have tasted of them and found them rotten, Silk.
    For me to return to what I have already found to be bogus is a waste of my time.

    I own over 3000 books, Christian and secular, and have read most of them, so I think I can safely say I am not slack in investigation.
  13. Well, as you say. I don't agree that Malachy's (also known as Malachi) prophecy about the popes is bogus, and has been true up to Pope John Paul II, as far as I'm concerned. That the Catholic Church is under attack is not a part of the prophecy - that's taken from todays headlines.
  14. I am not Catholic, but the thought of having a bad pope is so scary!

    Can you imagine the next pope being gay? Every Christian denomination will suffer!
  15. And why would you think that? Why would non-Catholics "suffer"?
  16. The same way we do from a Godly leader.
  17. Which one? there have been 16 of them to date.
  18. I always thought that nostril daemus' quadrilles were so vague they could be read to mean anything from a choc malted to an invasion from Mars.
  19. I agree with Dan...we should pray for the roman church. It is under attack, which means that it is not a friend of Satan's.
    Even though I am not an adherent, and disagree with it on many points, I would have a great deal of difficulty placing it in the enemy's sheepfold.
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