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Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Where is the Messiah, Apr 20, 2014.

  1. I say today, that on the teaching of the cross most of the people are completely missing the point. And here is, when we hear a teaching on the cross, and when someone preaches about the suffering of Jesus, what is it that you usually hear about? Physical suffering, right? Isn’t that what? And I mean the preacher,- and we need to talk about physical suffering.- But I mean the preacher will talk about physical suffering, and what will happen? Then he will start crying, and everybody in the congregation starts crying. He talks about how the nails went through a certain part of the wrist, because that was the only thing that would hold up a man. And how the nail went through both the feet in a certain place. And then in order to keep alive the person would have to push upon the nail in order to take a breath.
    Because when you died of crucifixion you died of suffocation. They’ll talk about the spear in the side, they’ll talk about the crown of thorns on the head, they’ll talk about all
    these different things, the beating with the whip, how he drug his cross and the blood is flowing down and everything else and then they’ll tell you: “By this we are saved”.
    Now, that draws you to a certain conclusion. How is it that the physical sufferings of Jesus, caused by men, somehow paid for our sins? It doesn’t work out theologically.-

    So remember now when you hear about Jesus dying for you, you know now, that it is more than some whips. Those whips were nothing. I don’t wanna depreciate His physical suffering but, folks, the cross is about the Son of God being crushed by his own Father.
    And when he cried out: “It is finished!” that meant PAID IN FULL! Do you know why God can never pour out his wrath on you, if you are Christian? He can never, never pour out his wrath on you. Never! His judgment… His wrath, He can never pour it out on you.
    Never! It is impossible! He can’t do it! He can only act toward you now with the greatest of love, the same love with which He loved His dearly begotten Son, is the love He loves you. He cannot love you with anything less. Do you wanna know why He cannot poured His wrath out on you? I’ll tell you why. Because His Son drank it. It doesn’t exist anymore. It is gone! He drank it. There is nothing left for you. There is no more punishment for you if you are a Christian. But, if you are not a Christian, oh, dear friend, you don’t even wanna know, you don’t even wanna know what awaits you. ~Paul Washer
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  2. That's always good to hear,

    That Im forgiven. :)

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  3. So true.. We so much focus what the cross means for us, which is undeniable.. We miss to see the other key perspective of Cross.. Jesus taking the wrath of Father.. Willfully..
  4. I like Paul Washer and he brings up some great points. We do well to meditate on the gethsemane experience.
    "But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. " Heb 2:9

    "Sit here, while I go over there and pray." 37 And taking with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, he began to be sorrowful and troubled. 38 Then he said to them, "My soul is very sorrowful, even to death; remain here, and watch with me." 39 And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will." Matt 26:36-39

    The suffering and death that Jesus tasted for all was eternal separation from God. Jesus went from "
    Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world" to "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

    We cannot begin to imagine the experience He went through as He became sin for us, taking on each of our sins as the Lamb of God. It is a wonder to me how some can teach that sin as a light thing knowing that it put our Savior to the cross. Praise God for what He did for each of us.

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  5. Ro 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
    13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

    Ro 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

    1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
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