So let me get this straight. The only reason God foreknew us is because we loved Him?? The only reason God predestined us is because we loved Him?? You do understand that all this talk of foreknowledge and predestination that Paul is referring to is the distant past you know way distant past like before the foundation of the world past? Yeah that kind of way back past. Now, you do understand that we did not exist then don't you? So if we didn't exist how did we love God? Stan your not being logical. It never ceases to amaze and amuse me the lengths that people will go to in order to avoid the clear teaching of scripture that God choose us NOT us choosing Him.