It IS irrelevant to the OP Mike. They were believers and died because of their overt lie to the body. I did not say they went to hell, and I am amazed you come up with that conclusion based on MY comments. Many posters here try to obfuscate or equivocate or both on the OP. I am clear about it and when people like you try to go away from the issue, my obligation is to address that and bring the thread back on course. Anyone who believes that if they die after they sin, they go to hell, does NOT understand salvation nor the Bible.