"Natural brute beasts” born to catch and destroy...

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Wheelz, Apr 9, 2015.

  1. The “thief” comes in secretly among us in order to bring us into their church bondage of decay. They come to steal and to kill and to destroy....that is their "dominion"...their kingdoms..as they rule over MANY.

    John 10:10 KJV
    (10) The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

    They handle the Word of God deceitfully as they preach after their hidden covetousness…..the abomination of desolation. They preach good words and fair speeches in order to deceive the hearts of the simple who get flattered into joining their churches where NO FLESH is being saved. ALL of those who are keeping company with them are of ONE FLESH….ONE BODY and are perishing away in decay unto the grave. They wrest the Scriptures unto their own destruction of the mortal flesh.

    Their flattering tongues are the “strange woman” that we are to stay away from. We are to DO HIS WILL so that we may keep away or be delivered from them….for their end leads to the death of our mortal bodies without the life of Jesus being made manifest in our mortal flesh in the here and now.

    Proverbs 5:1-13 KJV
    (1) My son, attend unto my wisdom, and bow thine ear to my understanding:
    (2) That thou mayest regard discretion, and that thy lips may keep knowledge.
    (3) For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:
    (4) But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword.
    (5) Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.
    (6) Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them.
    (7) Hear me now therefore, O ye children, and depart not from the words of my mouth.

    We MUST remove our way FAR from them and come not near the door of their house lest we give our honor unto others and our years unto the cruel and they are filled with our wealth and labor only in their house until our death.

    (8) Remove thy way far from her, and come not nigh the door of her house:
    (9) Lest thou give thine honour unto others, and thy years unto the cruel:
    (10) Lest strangers be filled with thy wealth; and thy labours be in the house of a stranger;

    We shall perish in their corruption…in the decay of our mortal body if we sit with them. We become ONE FLESH if we keep company with them. NO FLESH is being saved in any of men’s churches and so should be a MAJOR RED FLAG to stay away. They deny that Jesus IS COME in our mortal flesh as they preach we physically die. Death is not “blessed”. Death is NOT A FRIEND but an ENEMY to be triumphed over in the Lord. Our Lord IS ALIVE NOW and so we are to have His LIFE NOW ….appearing in our mortal flesh which gives us “eternal life”. Why give our honor to others?

    (11) And thou mourn at the last, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed,
    (12) And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof;
    (13) And have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me!

    They lead us away from the keeping of the Holy Commandment (to have love for one another) and into their denominations of envy, strife and hatred of one another. They take away the keeping of the “daily sacrifice” out of our lives so that the life of Jesus is never made manifest in our mortal flesh which gives us “eternal life”.

    Jude and Peter both call them “brute beasts”

    Most bible translations would have us read that the “natural brute beasts” were made to be taken and destroyed in 2 Peter 2:12 when they should read that they were made to DO THESE THINGS: to take and destroy (in the Greek: DECAY) their prey….and we are their prey.

    The “natural brute beasts” are born to catch and decay people (to take and destroy their prey). 2 Peter 2:12 is saying here that these beasts are born to take and destroy their prey….NOT made to be taken and destroyed.

    This is explaining their purpose for being born. Their natural instinct that they are born with is to CATCH AND DESTROY their prey. WE are their “prey” that they are taking and destroying with their great swelling words of emptiness as they follow after the lusts of their hearts. The life of Jesus is not being made manifest in any of their followers’ flesh as they all are decaying away in their mortal flesh to the grave. The “natural brute beast” are also decaying away themselves and taking MANY, MANY down with them…down the wide path to the destruction of the flesh.

    2 Peter 2:12 KJV
    (12) But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

    As a roaring lion and a ranging bear is a wicked ruler over the poor people. MANY are being led astray by them in their churches. They are “natural brute beasts”…having no understanding. They go after their prey like the brute beasts: lions, bear, leopards..

    Proverbs 28:15-17 KJV
    (15) As a roaring lion, and a ranging bear; so is a wicked ruler over the poor people.
    (16) The prince that wanteth understanding is also a great oppressor: but he that hateth covetousness shall prolong his days.

    They are preventing the life of Jesus from being made manifest in our mortal flesh by leading us astray with their flattering words. They are leading MANY down the broad path to the destruction of the mortal flesh....doing "violence to the blood"of their followers.

    (17) A man that doeth violence to the blood of any person shall flee to the pit; let no man stay him.

    They are “dreamers” who are doing these things….

    Jude 1:8 KJV
    (8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

    They are “raging waves of the sea foaming out their own shame”….

    Jude 1:13 KJV
    (13) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    It is no coincidence that Daniel had a “dream” in the night and wrote of it for he wrote about these “dreamers”….these “natural brute beasts” (the four beasts that rise up) who are born to catch and destroy their prey. WE are their prey that are caught and decayed by their flattering words if we fall “asleep” in the “night”….forgetting to let brotherly love continue. Can we not watch with Him for an “hour”? if we fall “asleep”, then they have power to deceive us and lead us astray unto the destruction of our flesh….their “hour” of the power of darkness. As Jude says, they are “dreamers”….

    Daniel 7:1-23 KJV
    (1) In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

    They are “raging waves of the sea foaming out their own shame” and we are blown about by every wind of doctrine taught by them. Their dominion is to consume and destroy us. The thief comes in secretly among us to steal, kill and destroy. Like a “leopard” with its spots, these are spots among us.

    (2) Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
    (3) And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another

    They are “natural brute beasts”….irrational animals….that are sensual and not having the Spirit (as the “wings” were scraped off the lion). They follow after their lusts…walking as men after their lusts of the heart. These are they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

    Like a lion, they come to conquer and capture their prey. They seek whom they may devour. The heart of man is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? He walks after the lusts of his heart as an earthly man and speaks earthly things. They don’t mind the things of God but the things of men. A lion is a natural brute beast whose instinct is to go after their prey.

    (4) The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

    They defile the mortal flesh….as said to (to the natural brute beast) the bear: “arise, devour MUCH FLESH”. These “natural, irrational beasts” (who do not have the Spirit) are born to destroy the flesh of men who are led astray by them. Like a ranging bear is a wicked church ruler over the “poor”.

    The bear “raised up itself” on one side and had 3 ribs in the mouth of it. The 3 ribs represent 3 men as spoken of in Jude who did RISE up: Cain “rose up” against his brother Abel in the field and killed him (Genesis 4:8)…hating our brothers is murder, Korah and company TOOK and “rose up” against Moses (Numbers 16:1-2)…despising government, and Balaam “rose up” to greedily go after the reward of unrighteousness (Numbers 22:21).

    (5) And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

    The “natural brute beasts” that are born to catch and destroy men are like the stealthy “leopard” with its spots. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceiving while they feast with us. These “spots” among us have crept in unawares (the 4 wings of a fowl). Their sins are hidden from view…the “spots” are completely covered by the 4 wings…as they speak good sounding words and fair speeches in order to deceive the simple of heart. These “spots” among us can not cease from sin enticing unstable souls, having hearts exercised in covetousnesses.

    Like stealthy leopards…. these certain men have crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. They are given dominion over all peoples, multitudes, nations, languages in every direction. MANY follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth is evil spoken of. The world blasphemes the Way of righteousness because of what they see going on in the churches of carnal men.

    (6) After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

    to be continued....
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  2. speak evil of dignities...can you explain this part of the verse Wheelz?
    Do those who have allegience to the beast can they ever repent or is there no hope for them?
    would you say the red flag is if they do not believe Jesus came in the flesh? Is there a sure-fire question we can ask them to discern whether they serving the Lord Almighty or some other god?
  3. 2 Peter 2:10-11 (NLT)
    He is especially hard on those who follow their own twisted sexual desire, and who despise authority. These people are proud and arrogant, daring even to scoff at supernatural beings without so much as trembling. 11 But the angels, who are far greater in power and strength, do not dare to bring from the Lord a charge of blasphemy against those supernatural beings.

    These "dignities" are referred to as "dignitaries" in other versions, and they simply refer to supernatural beings created of celestial glory, such as angels.
  4. Anybody can repent. Think of the ABUNDANT GRACE that was shown to Saul/Paul who called himself the “chief” of sinners for he did persecute the church. This SAME abundant grace is also shown to us. We share in that same abundant grace that was shown to Paul. Paul is THE pattern for those which should after him believe on the Lord to life everlasting. Saul was a “religious” man who was very zealous of his fathers’ religion. But he did count it as “dung” for the excellency of the knowledge of our Lord. We are to forsake all of the religious things of men (their teachings, their commandments, their denominations) so that we may win Christ whose knowledge is above all of man’s. We are to hear the Spirit and count those former religious thoughts and ways as a loss….losing our “lives” for His.

    Philippians 3:6-8 KJV
    (6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
    (7) But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
    (8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

    The “everlasting life” that is always referred to be had in the “after life” by many who are currently persecuting the church by what they are preaching is really in the here and now. The LIFE of Jesus is to be made manifest in our mortal flesh in the here and now which gives us “eternal life” so that we may display the glory of God to this dark, decaying and dying world.

    The whole creation is awaiting the manifestation of the sons of God.

    But right now, that life is not being seen by the world because of all of those who are denying that Jesus IS COMING (presently) in the flesh ….our mortal flesh in the here and now. They are leading MULTITUDES astray from the keeping of the “daily” sacrifice….the bearing about in the body the dying of our Lord so that His life might be made manifest (that is, to shine) in our mortal flesh today. (2 Corinthians 4:10-11).

    The world can not see the Light of God shining in us because multitudes of His people are being led astray by the preaching of many who are doing things CONTRARY to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. They are ANTIchrist as they lead many astray and put them into their “prisons” of their denominations of envy, strife and hatred of one another. They are being “punished” in every church gathering by those who are zealous for God but have NO KNOWLEDGE of Him. They receive authority from the religious heads of men in their religious institutions.

    Acts 26:8-11 KJV
    (8) Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?
    (9) I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.
    (10) Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.

    (11) And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.

    Like Saul (which comes from the word for “sheol”…the grave), their throats are “open graves” and are using their tongues for deceit which leads many astray from the life of Jesus being made manifest in our mortal flesh today so that the world may see what it truly means to DO His will. Their feet are swift to shed blood….for MULTITUDES are being led down the broad way to the destruction of their mortal flesh and so the life of Jesus is never being made manifest in their mortal bodies in the here and now.

    Romans 3:9-18 KJV
    (9) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
    (10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    (11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
    (12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
    (13) Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
    (14) Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
    (15) Their feet are swift to shed blood:
    (16) Destruction and misery are in their ways:
    (17) And the way of peace have they not known:
    (18) There is no fear of God before their eyes.

    But like Saul, they are doing these things IGNORANTLY IN UNBELIEF of the Truth of the appearing life of Jesus in our mortal flesh in the here and now. Jesus IS ALIVE NOW and so we are to have LIFE NOW for He ALREADY died once for all of us.

    1 Timothy 1:12-17 KJV
    (12) And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
    (13) Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
    (14) And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
    (15) This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    Paul is THE pattern for even those who are persecuting the church currently by their preaching.

    (16) Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
    (17) Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    Paul was NOT DISOBEDIENT unto the heavenly vision. Yet, there will be those who will hear the knowledge of our Lord and resist what they will hear. There will be those who will be disobedient after the hearing of the Truth.

    Acts 26:19-20 KJV
    (19) Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
    (20) But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

    If we continue to sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the Truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

    Hebrews 10:26-31 KJV
    (26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    (27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
    (28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    (29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    (30) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
    (31) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    There will be those who will speak evil of what they hear and speak evil of those who are SENT by Him to preach what they hear the Spirit saying. The “dignities” are those ministers of God who will be sent out to preach the Word of Truth to their ears…the good news of our salvation which is NOW.

    We must not speak evil of “dignities”…those ordained of God. Like Korah, many will resist the powers that are ordained of God in this coming time…speaking evil of those who will speak His words of life and spirit to them. They will not lose their own religious thoughts and ways for His which are much higher than our own. They will seek to cling on to their fathers’ religions….their commandments….their teachings….their denominations. They will RESIST the Spirit and those who are SENT by Him to preach to their ears.

    Romans 13:1-5 KJV
    (1) Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
    (2) Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
    (3) For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

    The “dignities” are the ministers of God for our own good. But they are also given power by Him to execute the wrath of God upon those who will do evil.

    (4) For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
    (5) Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sak

    The resistors will speak evil of their brothers who will be sent out to the churches to preach His words of life and spirit. They will be given opportunities to REPENT of their sins in this coming time. If they repent of their vilification of their brothers sent by Him, they will be forgiven. But if they continue to speak evil of them (WILLFUL SIN) after being warned 2 or 3 times, then they are judged by the Judge.

    Matthew 18:15-18 KJV
    (15) Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
    (16) But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
    (17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
    (18) Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    We are to hear what the Spirit is saying….being quick to hear but also being slow to wrath and slow to speak. Those who have their hearts full of wrath are ALREADY in danger of the judgment. For anger starts in the heart and overflows its container so to speak with an evil breath so that the mouth will speak evil words towards those who will be sent by Him to preach what they hear the Spirit saying.

    Matthew 5:21-26 KJV
    (21) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

    The willful sin begins by calling his brother “raca” for what he preaches…an “empty head” and does NOT REPENT of his evil. The willful sin continues after being warned by continuing to call one a “fool” for what he preaches and never repenting of his sins against his brother. It is no coincidence that “Abel” means “empty” . Cain had a heart full of wrath and was counseled to OVERCOME for sin lies at the door….the MOUTH is the “door”. Sin desires to have us in our wrath…and the wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God. Their “sacrifices” of their mouths are not respected.

    (22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
    (23) Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
    (24) Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

    They are counseled to be reconciled with their brother QUICKLY so that the judgment does not come upon them for their willful sin.

    (25) Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
    (26) Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

    We are to “keep our foot”….our ways with the tongue …when we go to the house of God to hear what is being preached. The “house of God” is the mortal body of the man SENT by Him to speak His words…the opening up of the Scriptures to our understanding. We are to be more ready to hear than to give the “sacrifice of fools” which is their hastily spoken many words against what they hear. We are to be quick to hear and slow to speak and slow to wrath…for sin lies at the door of our mouths. The “sacrifices” of our lips shall not be respected when we speak evil of another…..in the many words that will come out. they do not think that they are doing evil.

    Ecclesiastes 5:1-7 KJV
    (1) Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
    (2) Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
    (3) For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

    We are to let brotherly love continue at all times….paying the vow that we said we would keep.

    (4) When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.
    (5) Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.
    (6) Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?
    (7) For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

    We are to fear the power which the Lord gives His servants as Paul states. This power is meant for our edification and not to destruction.

    2 Corinthians 13:10 KJV
    (10) Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.

    But bold men will continue to question His servants who are sent by Him because they will not believe that they speak before God in Christ.

    2 Corinthians 12:18-21 KJV
    (18) I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? walked we not in the same spirit? walked we not in the same steps?
    (19) Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.

    They will be found of Him behaving badly towards what they hear….debating….contradictions, envying, strife, etc. Their “sacrifices” of their lips are their many words spoken in their wrath.

    (20) For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

    They are counseled to REPENT of their ways.

    (21) And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
    (1) This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

    A brother is warned twice of his evil ways toward another who is speaking what they hear Christ speaking…and yet if they do not believe that Christ is speaking in them, they will continue to speak evil ….willful sin. An evil generation seeks a sign that it is Christ speaking in those who are sent by Him.

    (2) I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time; and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare:
    (3) Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.
    (4) For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

    When we speak evil of another, we are to really examine ourselves whether we are truly in the faith. Those who are “reprobates” are those who are rejected for they will willfully continue in the sins…speaking evil of another…after being warned twice.

    (5) Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

    A man is rejected after the 1st and 2nd admonitions. He is “reprobate”….REJECTED. He will not have been found written in the book of life…being condemned of himself.

    Titus 3:9-11 KJV
    (9) But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
    (10) A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

    (11) Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

    The Lord knows how to reserve them unto the day of judgment for them to be punished.

    2 Peter 2:9-12 KJV
    (9) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

    These will be brave men…self-willed…who will not be afraid to speak evil of “dignities.”

    (10) But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

    “Angels” means “messengers”. These are messengers of God….men of God….who will not return evil for their evil in this coming time.

    (11) Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
    (12) But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

    These will be bold men who will not be afraid to speak evil of those sent by Him to preach what they hear the Spirit saying. These will be “twice dead’ for they will be found without any fruits of righteousness after the 1st and 2nd admonition. They will NOT UNDERSTAND…being the instinctive animals that they will prove to be. In those things that they do understand, they destroy themselves.

    Jude 1:12-13 KJV
    (12) These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
    (13) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    These speak evil of the things they do not understand. They trample under foot the Son of God and count the blood of the covenant wherein they are sanctified as an “unholy” thing…as they will not let brotherly love continue after being warned of their evil.

    Daniel 7:7 KJV
    (7) After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

    Hebrews 10:29-30 KJV
    (29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    (30) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
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  5. I think I know someone who wont repent. I warned him at least two times and he wont. He thinks that I am an angel or something like that. He claims to have seen God face to face and thus think hes special because of this, but continues acting in ungodly ways, ie. Drinking, swearing, fornicating. He denied that Jesus came in the flesh, I said this to him and he said 'that means nothing to me' . He does have some inkling hes going to be judged. He speaks ill of other christians.

    I dont like to share with you this, but this is something God sent me to battle out with the sword of his Word. He is like Paul in a way. I dont know what to do...he wont listen to me or the gospel and repent. He think he doing God a favour by the work he does..wanting to rewrite the Bible.

    There is some freemasonry in his family background, and I gather he is high up in some kind of secret organizatition. But he is very doubleminded and unstable in all his ways. At times I think, wow hes really getting scripture but others...completely wrong. Its schizophrenic. The last argument i had with him..or discussion, he absolutely refused to provice evidence of claims he made, while I did prove the opposite, and he ignored the subject completely. I thought...I am getting nowhere with this. The parables he does not get. They are twisted to mean something else.

    Shall I give up prayer? The only thing is...he thinks he can influence a lot of ppl. I asked him for his testimony of how Jesus saved him but he couldnt give me one...just lots of near death experiences that hes still trying to process.
  6. It is my fault I think for being flattered by his words. I should keep away from those claiming christianity yet only seeking out christian women hoping that by getting with them they will be saved. He will deny this though. Cos he is married. Yet when ask about his wife, and family he refuses to talk about her. This doesnt seem normal.

    Well anyway, not talking to him anymore. My heart wants him to be saved, he talks an awful lot about God but never acknowledges Jesus is Lord.
  7. You don't give up praying for him, but you can think seriously of not engaging him further with discussion and warnings.
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  8. First, we must cast out the “beam” out of our own eye before we can see clearly to pull out the “mote” in the eyes of others.

    Luke 6:41-42 KJV
    (41) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    (42) Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

    Also, we must focus on who we are sitting with in our church gatherings. God judges those who are on the outside. We must keep the feast (not eat with them) WITHOUT those who are called brothers but are covetous.

    1 Corinthians 5:11-13 KJV
    (11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
    (12) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
    (13) But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

    We can not keep company with those who are found with “leaven” among us…... Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

    Exodus 12:19-27 KJV
    (19) Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land.
    (20) Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread.
    (21) Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.

    None of us are to “go out at the door of the house until the morning”…that is, not use our mouths to judge those who are outside…the “sinners” of the outside world. We are not to judge others but instead judge those who are within our inner circle of worship (the feast) by not sitting with them. We are not to treat them as enemies but as brothers. We are not to use our mouths for evil speaking of them but our job is to not sit with them...not "eat" with them.

    (22) And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.

    God judges those who are on the outside….smiting the “Egyptians” mortal bodies (the firstborn is the natural mortal body) for their sins. But we who are believers are to cleanse our hearts (the lintel) and our hands (the 2 side posts) so that the Lord will not suffer the “destroyer”..that is, DECAY…to come in to our houses (our mortal bodies) to smite us. We are cleansed by the blood of Jesus whose life is to appear in our outer mortal flesh. But we are not to be joined together in our worship (our feasts) with those who called brothers but are covetous…or we become ONE flesh with them and DECAY away to the grave.

    (23) For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
    (24) And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.

    We shall inherit the earth....because we shall continue to live in the here and now for the life of Jesus is made manifest in our outer mortal flesh. But we must not keep company with those who are called "brothers" who are eating the leavened bread of guile, covetousness, wickedness, etc.

    (25) And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the LORD will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.
    (26) And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?

    He delivers our "houses"....our mortal bodies...in this current dark world as God judges those who are on the outside world.

    (27) That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.

    He delivers our "houses"...our mortal bodies...for He has rendered mortal death idle and has brought life and immortality (UNDECAYING) to Light through the good news of our salvation which is NOW. He does not let the "destroyer"...the DECAY...to strike our mortal bodies when we keep the "daily" sacrifice of our Lord for His life is made manifest in our mortal flesh. We must go out

    2 Timothy 1:9-10 KJV
    (9) Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
    (10) But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

  9. Hmm this is true. I wonder why he latched on to me?
    Anyway I'm not fellowhipping with him anymore as turns out hes some kind of spy. Spying on christians. I didnt know this at first tho, just thought he was being real friendly. Too friendly.
    I also told him, if he continued to drink...i could not keep company with him. Cos the bible says not to.

    I found that many men think they can be saved by a christian woman instead of Jesus. So they pretend to be christians in order to find women. Cos we treat them so well.
    Ugh. Why Lord? Im not even looking for that kind of relationship, I was just treating everyone like my brother.

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