Mormonism

[Euphemia]

Plus, if you read even one paragraph from their Book of Mormon, you can tell immediately that it is not inspired, but written from the mind of man. I was just seventeen years old when I opened it up and began to read it and said, "Whoever wrote this has no grammar!" and gave it right back to the Mormons when they returned the next day. I told them abut Jesus and what the bible said about Him and how I couldn't follow them in their beliefs. My mother came home from work as they were leaving and one of the Mormon women said to my mom, "Your daughter sure knows what she's talking about."

They never came back.

So, if a seventeen-year-old, young, yet firm in her faith can detect a spiritual charlatan, so can anyone here. It's Holy Spirit's job to point it out and our job to take it and run with it.

 

[CCW95A]

Posing as an angel of light, but really of darkness. Jesus said, "make sure the light that is in you be not darkness" Luke 11:35 It is possible for one to believe they are filled with the light of God, when in reality filled with the light of darkness.

2 John 1:10
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house and do not give him any greeting,

 

[TezriLi]

Out of curiosity, I have a Book of Mormon, of which I have read some. It has been decades, probably, since I read it, but the water witching is interesting, as is their prejudice against African-Americans and preferential dealings with First Nations peoples. I do wonder how many are old enough to remember the Mormon bombings, cover-ups, and murders in the 1970s (or so).

I've had some dealings with a few Mormons over the years:
An abused teenager (I believed her)
Some who came to my home
Some students
Some teachers
Some families
All were very nice, moral persons who were kind to me.

These may be of interest:

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https://www.google.com/webhp?source...e=UTF-8#q=mormon+murders+nails+packages+1970s

 

[ThomasA]

They believe it because they believed the charlatan, Joseph Smith and the fabrications he came up with, being seduced and deceived by an angel of light---Satan---literally, who produced for him "another gospel". He had no godly wisdom in him to reject such a thing, as he should know that Satan wants to usurp Jesus.

If people are not believers, they are targets to believe anything in the first place, and if they were Christians in the beginning, they were not grounded in the word, nor were they obedient to God in being discriminating about who they listen to.

2 Corinthians 11:13-14 should have been enough to keep them from falling for it:
These people are false apostles. They are deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

Exactly. Also, doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that after God showed himself in person for the last time that it wouldn't happen again? Something about a person dying instantly as soon as they looked at him, can't fully remember how it was said. But it pretty much stated that nobody, no matter how holy, would ever see him again until they are in heaven. So what, God choose to lie to us because he felt this one person was better than keeping his word?

 

[Euphemia]

Exactly. Also, doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that after God showed himself in person for the last time that it wouldn't happen again? Something about a person dying instantly as soon as they looked at him, can't fully remember how it was said. But it pretty much stated that nobody, no matter how holy, would ever see him again until they are in heaven. So what, God choose to lie to us because he felt this one person was better than keeping his word?

There is no scripture I know about that says anything like that. It is true that We will not visibly see Jesus until we are with Him in heaven, but He does present Himself by miraculous visions to people, and it is stepped up more now in these last days. Muslims, especially, are reporting major encounters with Jesus Christ and their conversions to Christ as their Lord and Saviour. I think that is God just loving on them, as they as a people are not open to Christians, and their nations are hostile to Christians and missionary activity.

 

[CCW95A]

Exactly. Also, doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that after God showed himself in person for the last time that it wouldn't happen again? Something about a person dying instantly as soon as they looked at him, can't fully remember how it was said. But it pretty much stated that nobody, no matter how holy, would ever see him again until they are in heaven. So what, God choose to lie to us because he felt this one person was better than keeping his word?

You might be thinking of these scriptures.....

Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Since God is light, and he is a consuming fire, no man in his physical body can look upon God and live. Jesus was seen by hundreds after being raised from the dead. Paul saw the resurrected Lord and considers himself the last to see him in that form.
These scriptures tells us that from now on we are not to know the Lord from a physical point of view but a spiritual one.

2Co 5:16 Consequently, from now on we estimate and regard no one from a [purely] human point of view [in terms of natural standards of value]. [No] even though we once did estimate Christ from a human viewpoint and as a man, yet now [we have such knowledge of Him that] we know Him no longer [in terms of the flesh]. (AMP)

This does not mean we can not see Jesus, it is just not with our physical eyes can we see him, but the eyes of our heart. We do not see all things put under him, but we see Jesus who was made a little lower than the Angels crowned with Glory and honor. Hebrews 2:9

Then we have this scripture.....

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Man in his physical body can not see the Lord, or even approach him. We are not trying to see God with our physical eyes or approach Him in this manner. We are actually living and dwelling inside His Glory looking out!!!

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

 

[ThomasA]

You might be thinking of these scriptures.....

Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Since God is light, and he is a consuming fire, no man in his physical body can look upon God and live. Jesus was seen by hundreds after being raised from the dead. Paul saw the resurrected Lord and considers himself the last to see him in that form.
These scriptures tells us that from now on we are not to know the Lord from a physical point of view but a spiritual one.

2Co 5:16 Consequently, from now on we estimate and regard no one from a [purely] human point of view [in terms of natural standards of value]. [No] even though we once did estimate Christ from a human viewpoint and as a man, yet now [we have such knowledge of Him that] we know Him no longer [in terms of the flesh]. (AMP)

This does not mean we can not see Jesus, it is just not with our physical eyes can we see him, but the eyes of our heart. We do not see all things put under him, but we see Jesus who was made a little lower than the Angels crowned with Glory and honor. Hebrews 2:9

Then we have this scripture.....

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Man in his physical body can not see the Lord, or even approach him. We are not trying to see God with our physical eyes or approach Him in this manner. We are actually living and dwelling inside His Glory looking out!!!

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of!

 

[autumn oddity]

Yah, a couple of lds were on my campus and chatted with me a bit.
They were sweet...and I listened to everything they had to say...
But i didn't take their book.

I just dont agree with the whole Joseph smith thing, or additions to the bible.

I mean John was jesus' cousin and moses was God's friend..yet they both equated themselves to nothing compared to God.

With that being said, I don't care if you're the apostle of apostles... Jesus is the reason , He should ALWAYS be the central focus.

All we are are vessels, and weak ones at that.

 

[Mitspa]

Out of curiosity, I have a Book of Mormon, of which I have read some. It has been decades, probably, since I read it, but the water witching is interesting, as is their prejudice against African-Americans and preferential dealings with First Nations peoples. I do wonder how many are old enough to remember the Mormon bombings, cover-ups, and murders in the 1970s (or so).

I've had some dealings with a few Mormons over the years:
An abused teenager (I believed her)
Some who came to my home
Some students
Some teachers
Some families
All were very nice, moral persons who were kind to me.

These may be of interest:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1RNVG_enUS581US586&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mormon murders nails packages

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Yea the "appearance" of being moral is how satan always works, behind the appearance is the real issue Christ came to deal with. Folks can be rather good at 9 out of 10 of the commandments, but they are yet in bondage to sin. In the Mormon culture we see this outward whitewash, but behind the façade we see lust and greed etc.. In fact the highest rates of internet porn are in these Mormon communities. The highest use of prescription anti-depressants is in these Mormon groups.

 

[TezriLi]

Yea the "appearance" of being moral is how satan always works, behind the appearance is the real issue Christ came to deal with. Folks can be rather good at 9 out of 10 of the commandments, but they are yet in bondage to sin. In the Mormon culture we see this outward whitewash, but behind the façade we see lust and greed etc.. In fact the highest rates of internet porn are in these Mormon communities. The highest use of prescription anti-depressants is in these Mormon groups.

I understand and agree. Thank you.

 

[Vincent Vega]

None of the Mormons I have talked to have given a story book type Jesus. You just don't agree with it so you find insulting ways to describe their beliefs. It's actually a lot like what atheists do when they call God our "invisible friend" or call our Bible a book of fairy tales.

Well, to give the devil his due (pun intended) atheists can have a point when they refer to a deity as an invisible friend.
Since there are many Gods being worshiped and, as Bertrand Russell pointed out a century ago, they can't all be true, there must be quite a few people out there who are talking to an imaginary friend. To put it simply; either, say, Allah exists or he does not. If he doesn't, over a billion people are quite literally in thrall with an illusion. Likewise, either the monkey God Hanuman is deserving of our attention or he is just a fiction created by someone who was confused about the nature of reality.
It is a frightening truth that a person can be absolutely convinced of a proposition, to the point that he is willing to kill and die for it, which turns out not to be true at all.

 

[Mitspa]

Well, to give the devil his due (pun intended) atheists can have a point when they refer to a deity as an invisible friend.
Since there are many Gods being worshiped and, as Bertrand Russell pointed out a century ago, they can't all be true, there must be quite a few people out there who are talking to an imaginary friend. To put it simply; either, say, Allah exists or he does not. If he doesn't, over a billion people are quite literally in thrall with an illusion. Likewise, either the monkey God Hanuman is deserving of our attention or he is just a fiction created by someone who was confused about the nature of reality.
It is a frightening truth that a person can be absolutely convinced of a proposition, to the point that he is willing to kill and die for it, which turns out not to be true at all.

You mean like we are all really just animals and that there is no real morality other than the law of the jungle?

 

[Major]

I lot of people believe mormons are Christians.. This is the reason Christian leaders supported Mitt Romney.

While that is probably true........it is not the reason I voted for him. My reason was simple.........

Consider the other guy........no contest!

 

[Major]

I think there are 2 separate issues here..

Can mormon belief accepted as Christian belief? - No
Can a mormon be saved? - Yes, because we do not know the heart of a person.. This is God's business..

I see them as 2 separate issues.. Many don't.. That's where the heat comes

I agree with you!

 

[Major]

For me it all comes down to what Jesus said,

Where your treasure is there will be your heart also. Matt 6:21

Mormons treasure is in Salt Lake City, just ask them, they all want to go to the temple there, whereas our Treasure is in Heaven, sitting on the right hand of the Father, interceding for us daily and that is where my heart is also.

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Col 3:1-4

Blessings,

Gene

Agreed. If most Christians KNEW what Mormons believe and teach, they would reject that faith outright!

Example.........
How many of us know that Mormons believe that for one to be saved, he has to be accepted by Joseph Smith?

How man of us know that the Mormons believe that Father God and Mother God have sex all the time and the result is our souls???

How many of us know that Mormons practice "Baptism of the Dead"???

 

[Major]

I agree, except that their Christ is more of a story-book character, and not the authentic Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

In reality, their Saviour is Joseph Smith.

 

[Major]

Actually he's right. Did you know that mormon's say they believe in the Trinity, but they don't actually believe in the Christian trinity? They believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit exists, just like Christians do. BUT, they don't believe they are 1 in the same, they believe they are 3 seperate entities and that the holy spirit and Jesus are God's best servants, but not actually a part of God. They also believe that there are actually thousands of Gods that exist, but our God is the true one for us.

Did you also now that they believe in a "Mother God"?

 

[Major]

What I don't understand is how they got all of that when the bible would have clearly said it if it were true. And the main problem I have is that they believe the book of Mormon just as much as the bible even though the bible clearly states that anything added besides the bible is lies and false. Plus, why would God wait thousands of years more before giving us the next addition to his word? If there were more to it, it would have already been in the first book.

NOT SO my brother.

They only believe the Bible......"in for far as it agrees with the Book of Mormon".

In essence then, the Book of Mormon replace the Bible in their actual teaching and understanding.

 

[Major]

Out of curiosity, I have a Book of Mormon, of which I have read some. It has been decades, probably, since I read it, but the water witching is interesting, as is their prejudice against African-Americans and preferential dealings with First Nations peoples. I do wonder how many are old enough to remember the Mormon bombings, cover-ups, and murders in the 1970s (or so).

I've had some dealings with a few Mormons over the years:
An abused teenager (I believed her)
Some who came to my home
Some students
Some teachers
Some families
All were very nice, moral persons who were kind to me.

These may be of interest:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1RNVG_enUS581US586&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mormon murders nails packages

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Someone who wants to steal, rob and destroy will always be nice to you ...........in the beginning!

 

[Major]

Yah, a couple of lds were on my campus and chatted with me a bit.
They were sweet...and I listened to everything they had to say...
But i didn't take their book.

I just dont agree with the whole Joseph smith thing, or additions to the bible.

I mean John was jesus' cousin and moses was God's friend..yet they both equated themselves to nothing compared to God.

With that being said, I don't care if you're the apostle of apostles... Jesus is the reason , He should ALWAYS be the central focus.

All we are are vessels, and weak ones at that.

My dear, also know that in their teachings..........Lucifer and Jesus are brothers. Think about that for a moment!!!!