Mark 16:9

Discussion in 'Answers' started by rstrats, Mar 12, 2010.

  1. Mark 16:9

    A poster on another forum, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.

    I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a statement in verse 9, as the KJV and similar versions have it, that is used for a doctrinal teaching that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: “Quote a published author who has done that.” - I have not yet been able to come up with one. Does anyone here know of one?
  2. While there is some that would love to see Mark 16 be officially declared as a Ooops........ It's not for the reason mentioned above.

    You shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. does not bod well with many denominations, and the requirements is that you believe in Jesus, that's it. hard to put it into the category of Apostles have passed away.

    one of the contradictions start in 16:8 The women fled from the tomb and said nothing to anyone..............others say they told all.

    Mar 16:8 And they went out and fled from the tomb; for trembling and astonishment had come upon them; and they said nothing to any one, for they were afraid.

    The whole focus is "Just coming out of the tomb. Very Afraid." Mark records the first reaction of leaving the tomb. We have no idea who else was around, as there could have been Roman guards also there. verse seven they were told to tell everyone as we know they did that, but kept quite while leaving the tomb.

    then 16:9 Jesus rose on the first day of the week..............and appeared.

    The bottom line is that Jesus was risen in 3 days. As Jesus compared this to Jonah who was 3 days with a fish. There are no contradictions in Mark 16. The whole point of Mark 16:9 was that Jesus appeared first to Mary and some translations don't even mention the day. Mark's Account is very brief and a better account can be found in John 20:11-17. Mark wrote as the Holy Ghost told him to write and the account was already fully covered elsewhere.

    It really does not matter what day Jesus rose. As long as it was sometime Saturday after sunset as that was considered the end of day. Also to arguee what day the "Sabbath" is, is really silly since keeping the Sabbath day holy is not under the 2 new commandments which hang all the Law and the Prophets. Love God, Love Neighbor, the Royal Law of Love. As a Spirit filled believer we are to keep everyday as it belongs to the Lord, not just one day. The Sabbath was designed to keep unborn again people focused on God, and doing that once a week was very reasonable. Our standards are much higher than that.

    Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

    We are not to judge the Word, or Judge in our own limited thinking and little wisdom. The Word was sent to reprove us and instruct us.

    Be Blessed.
  3. WordOFaith,

    Do you have any information with regard to my request in the OP?
  4. I already gave the answer to the question of a first or seventh day observance. There is no observance of a certain "DAY" God is to be worshiped in Truth and Spirit. (As if we are to Esteem God more one day, as opposed to others, Dumb......) These types of questions are used by certain groups that wish to put believers under part of the law. It is also used to cause issues between groups, which should never even be a issue at all. Most of these groups are of your more older traditional doctrines and are clueless about a bunch of other things anyway. They can almost always be assoiated with having other laws and rules believers must follow, such as not going to the movies, and women must always wear long dresses, just to name a few. It's the Gospel of "DON'T"

    To discuss what day God should get special recognition is just for the immature. We are told to have a rest day, as not to wear ourselves out, and even farmers that have followed scripture and not planted every seven years to give the soil rest have seen tremendous results. This is just following the Word, and the Word will produce what the Word says, not returning void.

    So, I answered your question. give all the glory to God, putting Him first, everyday.

    Be blessed.
  5. WordOFaith,

    re: “ ...I answered your question.”

    My question was: “Does anyone know of a published author who uses a first day resurrection to justify a change from seventh day observance to first day observance, and quotes Mark 16:9 to support a first day resurrection?”

    I’m afraid I don’t see where you have identified such an author.
  6. rstrats, with all due respect. I understand that some may get hung up on What day this occurred, and What day that occurred. A whole denomination was founded on this. (Seventh-day Adventist) If this were important to God, then we would know for sure what day that is suppose to be. But unlike "Fear Not" found 58 times in the bible, and "Be not afraid" found 48 times, this is not a major topic for God.

    So, though it would be nice to have exact answers to all our questions. "What is the precise year dinosaurs vanished." God gives us clear directions on what is important.

    So, we are to give God Honor and Glory everyday. There is no day of observance, unless your trying to keep the Works of the law. No day should be different to you when it comes to the things of God. That is still the answer, and correct answer.

    rstrats, It is sort of silly to be given the correct answer, then reject it because it's not the answer "YOU" want, even though it's a better answer and true. I can give many more scriptures to prove God is not hung up on day's of observance, than I can pinpointing precise days. Why? because God never wanted the Church Under Jesus to consider such things. It would be best for you to take God's view on this, and decide you have finally found the truth. If you need your questions answered only the way you want the answered, then I think you will find that some of your questions will be answered for you, because everyone is clueless.

    Have a awesome day..........
  7. If you need your questions answered only the way you want them answered, then I think you will find that some of your questions will not be answered for you, because everyone is clueless.

    sorry, I really beat up that last sentence......... and can't edit.
  8. WordOfFaith, I think he's just asking if any author has used that verse for that reason. He himself is not asking about the observance of days.
  9. I understand. If any Author has, (In the Bible) then someone would have found it. They go back to the OT and try to figure out seven days a week, and Sabbaths. Sadly, nobody can come in agreement to what really the Jewish Calendar was at that time.

    The seven days a week, was established by the Roman Empire.......... Not so Good, considering that at the time of Moses, Rome was not around yet.
    The Christian church latter Adopted this, and made forever standard by the British empire.

    God first used seven days in the Recreation of earth. I am sure this is where Rome got the idea. Sun up and sun down constituted a day.

    Now, what day was what is all speculation at this point. There are many different views, and none of the so called experts Agree....

    Now to complicate things more......... The Word day in Mark 16:9 was added by the KJV Scholars. It should read.

    Mar 16:9
    Now when was risen early the first of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

    The Word Jesus and day was added for clarity. Jesus was risen early in the week sometime is how it should read.

    the Youngs Literal translation gives the full Greek.

    Mar 16:9 And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons;

    The Word Week is Sabbaton in Greek....................... Not what we would consider a week. It was during the first of the Sabbath. That does not mean on what they considered the Sabbath, just around the first of it. Whatever, that day was, Nobody knows but God. God could count back from our current system and give us the exact day, It may fall on Wednesday for all we know.

    Be Blessed.
  10. WordOFaith,

    rstrats says:

    Mark_18 understands.

    However, I have absolutely no idea how any of your comments are responsive to my question in the OP. Do you or do you not know of a published author who uses a first day resurrection - at least in part - to justify a change from seventh day observance to first day observance, and who quotes Mark 16:9 to support a first day resurrection? Your answer would be; Yes I do know of an author and his/her name is ( ), or no I don’t know of an author.

    BTW, even though off topic, I would like to comment on your remark about the calendar. Assuming that the Messiah knew which day of the week the Sabbath was, we can know what day it is today. Although the calendar in use, a Roman calendar, has indeed been changed, that change did not break the weekly cycle. As you know, prior to the change, it was called the Julian calendar because it originated at the time of Julius Caesar, 45 B.C. - several decades before the birth of the Messiah. The one change was ordered by Pope Gregory, and since then it has been called the Gregorian calendar. However, as mentioned above, the change did not alter the weekly cycle. The “Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 9, p. 251, under the article “Lilius,” says, regarding this change, that “….every imaginable proposition was made, only one idea was never mentioned, viz, the abandonment of the seven-day week.” Vol. 3, p. 740, under the article “Chronology,” the same reference, says that “It is to be noted that in the Christian period, the order of days in the week has never been interrupted.” So it would seem that the weekly cycle of the calendar that has been in effect since 45 B.C. has never had any alteration from the time of the Messiah until now. The Saturday of today is the same seventh day of the week as it was in the Messiah’s time. One could, therefore, be pretty sure that they would be keeping the same Sabbath day that the Messiah kept, setting an example - the same day He said He was Lord of.

    Here are several quotes regarding the continuity of the seven day week:

    "The week of seven days has been in use ever since the days of the Mosaic dispensation, and we have no reason for supposing that any irregularities have existed in the succession of weeks and their days from that time to the present." --Dr. W.W. Campbell, Statement. [Dr. Campbell was Director of Lick Observatory, Mt. Hamilton, California.]

    "As far as I know, in the various changes of the Calendar there has been no change in the seven day rota of the week, which has come down from very early times." --F.W. Dyson, Personal letter, dated March 4, 1932. [Dr. Dyson was Astronomer Royal, Royal Observatory, Greenwich, London.]

    "As to Question (1)--I can only state that in connection with the proposed simplification of the calendar, we have had occasion to investigate the results of the works of specialists in chronology and we have never found one of them that has ever had the slightest doubt the continuity of the weekly cycle since long before the Christian era.

    "As to Question (2) --There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week." --James robertson, personal letter, dated March 12, 1932. [Dr. robertson was Director of the American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C.]

    "In spite of all of our dickerings with the calendar, it is patent that the human race never lost the septenary [seven-day] sequence of week days and that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, through the ages, without a single lapse." --Dr. Totten, Statement. [Dr. Totten of New Haven, Connecticut, was Professor of Astronomy at Yale University when this statement was made.]

    If you have documentation that shows that the seven day cycle has been interrupted at some point between the first century and now I would very much like to see it.
  11. That was all very interesting......... and far more than I have looked into it. Thank you for posting that.

    However, my point about Mark is still valid........... We have no idea what Mark was referring to. It was the translators that add the word day, and week. Mark just said first of the Sabbath. (That may be any day close to the Sabbath) I would take the account of John as being valid, but this does not answer your question about another author, and for that I am sorry...

    Be Blessed.
  12. WordOFaith,

    re: “ point about Mark is still valid........... We have no idea what Mark was referring to.”

    For the purpose of this thread, I am not concerned with that. That is an issue for another topic. I am only looking for what I asked for in the OP.

    re: “ ... but this does not answer your question about another author...”

    Another author? Who was the first one that you identified?
  13. You might try Googling Seventh Day Adventist. One of their authors most likely used it.
  14. HisManySongs,

    I’m not sure why a Seventh Day Adventist would be trying to justify a change from seventh day observance to a first day observance.
  15. Of course they would not, but if anyone has had to defend that position, then it would be the seventh day Adventist. They may have information that covers both cases.

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