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Mark 13

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Phil, Oct 12, 2010.

  1. Mark 13

    Quick question about mark 13.

    Mark 13:14
    "But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

    Now this chapter of the bible is about things to come and the tribulation-end of the world. Now I was reading some commentaries on this verse and it seems this verse is talking about the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Yet... The rest of the chapter speaks about the end of the world. Does anyone have insight on this? Is this verse specifically pointing to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D?
  2. Hi, Phil: It would seem that the 'commentaries' that you were looking at are not factually based upon original Greek language scripture. Mark 13 (KJV) is a prophesy from Christ about the very end times... not the near term fall of Jerusalem in the Jewish-Roman war 37 years after the Crucifixion of Christ in 70 AD.

    You are correct in stating that Mark 13 (KJV) is prophesy of the end times. The 'Abomination of Desolation' refers to Satan in his role as the antichrist. We know that the antichrist (Satan) drops in for a visit at the sixth seal, the sixth vial and the sixth trump as verified in Revelation 6-10 (KJV) and prophesied in Daniel 11 (KJV) and many other locations. We must look at the word 'antichrist' from the Greek language to properly tag what it means. It means "instead of Christ"

    Christ states clearly in Mark 13 (KJV), from the Greek language texts, that anyone who is weak in their scriptural knowledge will be taken in and fooled by the antichrist and many will believe that he is in fact, Christ. Look at Christ's own words about that in Mark 13:21 (KJV).

    The antichrist will set foot on earth in Jerusalem at the sixth seal, the sixth vial and the sixth trump, just as Christ will also do at the seventh seal, seventh vial and the seventh trump. This will cause many illiterate or falsely taught persons to worship the antichrist because he will make it will look as if he actually is Christ. Look at Mark 13:6 (KJV), Mark 13:14 (KJV) refering to the antichrist standing in Jerusalem claiming to be Christ, Mark 13:22 (KJV) and several other verses all referring to the antichrist arriving in Jerusalem first and convincing millions who don't know any better that he IS Christ.

    That is why it is so very important for all Christians to do their own independent studies to know and understand the contents of the New Testament from the original Greek language wording.

  3. Ah good... I thought it was odd, that it was supposedly referring to the fall of Jerusalem when the title of the chapter itself reads, "End of Times" and everything else was in line with tribulation.

  4. Hi Phil,

    I am returning here after a too long absence. I saw your question and the answers given. I respect those that have replied but will have to disagree with them as this is an area I have investigated in some detail. The warning Jesus gives in Mark 13:14
    Does indeed refer to the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in 70AD. Jesus was telling His disciples that many things are to come AFTER the fulfilment of Daniel's prophecy so do not hang around Jerusalem expecting Him to return at that time BUT instead flee to the mountains, to safety because Jerusalem will be destroyed, not saved. That is why His followers survived the destruction of Jerusalem - they heeded His warning and fled.

    What many do not realise is that the prophecy of Daniel ends with the scattering of the power (nation) of the Holy People.

    The prophesy of Daniel relates directly to the sevenfold increasing curses of Leviticus 26:14-46. Curses that end with the total destruction of all cities, temples and high places of Israel and the scattering of the people among the heathen nations, there to languish until their time of punishment is ended in accordance with the prophecies of Ezekiel. Incidently a timing which leads directly to 1948 AD. Until the time of punishment was ended the Holy people COULD NOT return to the Promised Land. The fulfilment of Daniel's prophecy and the final curse of Leviticus 26 occurred with the fall, not of Jerusalem, but with the fall of the LAST Jewish city and stronghold MASSADA in 74AD, which is 490 Jewish years (360 days each) or 70 "sevens" after the rebuilding of Jerusalem was finally completed in 410-409BC.
    If you look up the "IslandBard" (that's me) channel on YouTube check out the "Reality Bender 03" set of videos which deals with the reality of the fulfilment of these prophecies in some detail. Hope this all helps.
    In Christ.
  5. Daniel 9:27, 11:31, and 12:11, mentions the Abomination of Desolation and modern biblical scholars say it refers to an altar to Zeus that was set up in the Jerusalem Temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes in about 167BC. Many of these scholars claim that Daniel is a "prophecy after the event". It was made to seem like it was written in an earlier time (and therefore a prophecy) but was in fact written after the event (and is therefore an historical record, not a prophecy).

    Some scholars (eg: McNeile, A.H. 1927. An Intoduction to the Study of the New Testament. Oxford University Press. Chap. II part 2 The Synoptic Gospels.) say that Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 are likewise "prophecies after the event". Both authors wrote as if they were predicting an event, but they were actually recording an historical fact after the event. That historical fact was the destruction of the Temple in 70AD.

    Chrysostomus, one of the early Church Fathers, says in his Homilies on the Gospel of Matthew, that the "Abomination of Desolation" was a term taken from Daniel and used to describe the Roman army that surrounded Jerusalem and eventually destroyed the Temple in 70AD.
  6. Hi Snagglefritz,

    There are a lot of "scholars" saying a lot of different things but there is hard PHYSICAL and existant Archeological proof many are wrong. The Dead Sea scrolls which contain fragments of MANY copies of Daniel that have been scientifically dated around 165-200BC are themselves incontrovertable proof the Book of Daniel was written well BEFORE most of the events prophecied. The presence of so many copies is evidence that even by that time Daniel was regarded as a significant prophet and his writings "canonical" (accepted as Scripture - the word of God) by the Jewish people. That does not easily or quickly happen indicating that even in 165-200BC the writings of Daniel were ancient and well established as scripture.

    But do not do as many scholars and other do, and that is assume all the prophesies of Daniel can be "mixed" together. They stand as individual and separate prophesys, especially those of Chapter 8 and those of Chapter 9. But having said that some of the prophesies do cover the same time periods although not directly related. Chapter 8 deals with Alexander the Great and the Greek Empire and specifically the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes and HIS defiling of the sanctuary and the daily sacrifice, not only by statues, Greek altars, the sacrificing of pigs, etc. but more tellingly by the appointment of a non-Aaronic high priest (Menelaus) in 171BC some 2300 days before the Macabees and the levitical priesthood cleansed the temple on 24th Kislev 165BC (Kislev is around late November-December in our calendar). Under the law of God only a descendent of AAron could perform the duties of High Priest (including the Daily Sacrifice). Menelaus was a Benjaminite and his appointment by Antiochus was a grievous transgression of the Law of God and the Daily Sacrifices were no longer acceptable to the Lord.

    However the Abomination of desolation referred to in Chapter 9 has nothing to do with the time of Antiochus but is about the capture and desecration of the Temple by the Roman soldiers in 70 AD. I have yet to check it out but I did hear that most christians got out of Jerusalem safely because they heeded Jesus' warning from years before.

    Wht is a significant passage is Daniel 12:7 in which Daniel is told when these various prophecies will reach their culmination and indeed their ultimate purpose and that is to destroy all the cities, temples and high places of Israel and scatter "the power [nation] of the Holy people.

    This was the culmination of the sevenfold increasing curses of Leviticus 26:14-46 That Daniel Chapter 9 deals with (This is what Daniel was contemplating when Gabriel came to him to help him understand what was written. The scattering of the power of the Holy People was accomplished with the fall of the last city and stronghold of Israel. The city and fortress of MASSADA in 74AD.

    The problem many scholars have is that they do not really believe prophesy is possible. Consequently the only way they can handle the prophesies of Daniel is to believe that it was written after the events. To admit it was, in fact, written well before the facts as all the actual evidence attests to, is to admit that the Bible really does foretell the future of man. To admit that is to admit that the Lord really exists and that is something many of them just can't bring themselves to do.

    We should not make the mistake of believing that all biblical scholars and theologians are actually believers. "Theology" is but the ACADEMIC STUDY of God and religion. It is not faith in god but the SCIENTIFIC STUDY of faith in god. Even Atheists and sceptics (and a percentage are) can be Theologians.

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