Discussion in 'Holy Spirit Baptism and Living' started by THALLON, Aug 22, 2014.
Yo! - now is that not the truth.
I'll be honest, I do not know of anyone claiming poverty to be holy, but, of people being enslaved by it, yes.
Now, once you are enslaved by anything, that something is your master, if something other than God is your master, then God, YHVH God is not your master.
Mmmm... I can see a problem right there.
Francis Drake has rightly brought to light the flip side of the coin, so to say.
And here also we find His rest, where we find our rest.
Some people consider their lack as a point of humility...false pride comes out of that mindset.
And that is exactly why the devil is perverting the gospel and attacking the truth. If we all had enough for ourselves and plenty left over to give to others....then there would be no poverty, or people going without food or clothes or whatever. We as the Body of Christ would be doing what God has called us all to do.
The sad part is that the devil is keeping a lot of people in direct disobedience to God, with the lies that he has put forth.
Thank You for sharing francis!
Good point....all we can do is to tell them the truth....give them the truth of the Word of God and allow the Holy Spirit, and the living Word do the rest. God's Words say that His Word does not return unto Him void, and He knows how to water the seed once we obediently plant it. He definately is Big enough!
Amen... I do agree.....
Encourage or Remind.... instead of Despise and Judge....
The Poor should not judge the Rich: instead to remind....
The Rich should not despise the Poor: instead to encourage….
Check out the word being used by Rich to the Poor: is there despise?
Check out the words used by the Poor to the Rich: is there judgmental?
Opps, seems you are trying to answer my question: Are we going to change his mind?
Of course! a fully persuaded can remind or encourage another that is also fully persuaded!
As I see it: What you said above is LIMITING, because your post#137 mentioned Romans 14 as about JUDGING ( a negative rule)
It is more than that, as i see it: it is about ACCEPTING (a positive Rule)
Romans 14 seen as a negative rule “do not judge, do not despise” is limiting… PASSIVE
The positive rule is “to remind, to encourage”…..ACTIVE
There is a world of difference between “do not do unto others” (passive, negative rule)….
while the Teacher teach us “do unto others”…. a positive rule: ACTIVE...
Love is always ACTIVE…
Good point! Work together to encourage and remind each other of what the Word of God says....and thus be at peace with one another instead of allowing division to get in there and cause problems!
It seems to me that you have made what is very simple, into something very complicated, and I suggest you try applying your theory to Paul's writings elsewhere.
Gal1v6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
This is hardly passive is it!
I resisted your request as to what I thought Romans14 was about, because I correctly perceived you were setting a trap. You were looking for someone to fall into it so you could go off on a pet subject. You now tell me that Romans14 is not about judging others, but accepting them. That is about as sensible as arguing if a coin has the king/president's head on it or whether it has 50 cents/£5. For your information, coins have two sides just like Romans 14.
Romans14v13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
As far as I am concerned, from its beginning this point scoring diatribe has no connection with my two testimonies (post129) related to people being bound with poverty. I neither condemned, judged nor despised those I ministered to. I was there to encourage them and present them with truth, leaving them to make their own choices.
Sorry for that, I did judge on appearance…. I plan to post a general comment: but that word "mantra" got me....
On Acceptance: Accepting we are: Christians towards one another…the cross, Jesus Christ birth, death and resurrection is not to be compromised…
On the "diatribe" : am into Logic, I think : )..... nothing personal, purely analyzing premises and conclusions....
Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
Ok, am going personal here : )
When I say “am into Logic”….. I enjoy to analyze Faith, Love, Humility…. that is: concepts, ideas….
Am I into practicing it? that is a different story….
Precisely I said on another thread: I enjoy reading post promoting Faith…
I rather have Faith… than Logic...