Lot And The Carnal Christian

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  1. Lot and the Carnal Christian

    Lot's servants were slaves and Lot chose not to control them and separated from Abram. He is responsible. So in doing this he created the separation from God's plan. His life went down hill from there. Carnal Christians have a tendency to be on the ragged edge of grace and often refuse God's perfect plan for their lives.

    Lot sat in the gate which indicates being part of the city government. Carnal Christians are often involved in the unholy arena of partisan politics. No one can do these things and not compromise or violate Romans 13:7.
    He offered his daughters unnecessarily for carnality much as Christians offer their children to the government for its wars and other carnal purposes.

    He had no power to change anything in Sodom because he thought and lived much like they did. All he could do was criticize them and get 'involved' in the government/economy to try and bring change. Sound familiar? lawsuits, ugly partisan politics to put 'Christians' in office, getting ugly over issues like prayer in schools and evolution in PUBLIC schools. Lot was resented and hated for the wrong reasons just like many Christians today. Doing what Jesus commands in Mark 16:17-18 is the Bible alternative. It will get one hated for the right reasons.

    He gave his daughters to unbelievers who were scoffers, and did not even have enough spirituality to save his own wife. Christian parents are responsible to see to that their children marry mates who are in Jesus. Carnal parents allow the dating game just like the world with predictable carnal results.

    He was fearful and rebellious when God gave him direction to escape and did not stay in the place of refuge.

    He did not even consider humbling himself and returning to Abraham, but chose to live in a cave (denomination) instead.

    It only gets WORSE! He did not guard his daughters and nurture them in the ways of truth and as a result all they saw was hopelessness (legalism). The result was ugly.

    There is no evidence in the Bible Lot ever repented.

    His 'fruit' was two tribes that became sworn enemies of God's people and God's plan until this day. The demon spirits that drove them are still at work trying to destroy true Christianity today, doing through carnal Christians ALL the same things that Lot did to 'change' Sodom and distract the church form doing what Jesus commands the way He says to do it.
    Now that is bad fruit that just keeps on giving!

    Lot is a type of 1 Cor. 3:14-15 Christian. See also Rev 20:15 with the context of Rev 20:4-15.
    God says Lot is righteous! 2 Peter 2:7.

    The point is no one can say to a professing Christian that is living a carnal life they are not saved. What can be said is the Bible gives no guarantee to a person that lives as close to sin or in sin as they feel they may. The question can be asked, Do you want to role the dice and try for 1 Corinthians 3:14-15?​
  2. Just so we are all on the same page........
    Lot "offered" his daughters, he did not give them beacuse the two angels did not allow it.

    Lot did save his wife.

    Genesis 19:17...............
    "And it came to pass when they had brought them forth abroad that HE SAID: escape for thy life, LOOK NOT BEHIND THEE, neither stay thou in all the plain, escape to the mountain lest thou be consumed".

    He told his family what to do and what not to do. He gave them the opportunity to be SAVED but his wife CHOSE to disobey his instructions and was lost. That same thing applies to us today. We can be SAVED if we will follow the instructions in the Word of God......."Believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved"!!!!!!

    IF Genesis 19 was all we had I too would question whether Lot was a saved man. But we have in 2 Peter 2:7-8.........
    "And delivered "just" Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked; for that righteous man dwelling
    among them, in seeing and hearing vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds".

    "JUST" means that he was justified before God because he trusted God as did Abraham did although he did not live a life like Abraham lived......one that was a testimony to God. Lot was justified by faith but his life denied everything he believed and he never had amoment of peace down here.

    According to this, Lot was never happy there. He was tormented on the inside. It was torture for him to live in Sodom. The point is I think that God got Lot out of that city because He know how to deliver the Godly.
    It was not Lots fault that his wife did not obey him.
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  3. Amen, Major!

    Yet another reason we are not to be the JUDGE of the heart. Who knows if Lot ever repented? God does! If God says he was righteous, then he was, indeed, righteous, no matter what the Bible "didn't" say. He is the only Righteous Judge. Instead, we are called to be the "judge" (this term used loosely!) of the fruit only, not the heart of the believer.

    Matt. 7:16 says
    "You shall know them by their fruit. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

    Gal 5:22-23 says
    "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
  4. I believe true carnal Christians are those who haven't learned to walk spiritually yet but will eventually. Those who claim to be carnal Christians and never learn to "walk as Christ walked" weren't Christians at all.
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  5. Agreed!

    1 John 2:19..........
    "They went out from us but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt continued with us.

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