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Legit Question

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Paige Elizabeth, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. Why are we, the church as a whole, more concerned about how other denominations are worshiping God and do things than the people who don't know the truth?
  2. Can you elaborate? Are you asking why we prefer different styles of worship?
  3. I'm asking why the church is concerned about other churches rather than being concerned about witnessing to the people who don't know Jesus.
  4. Because the devil has been hard at work separating man from God for some 7000 years with the distraction of temporary worldly wares....

    It won't get any better before Christ returns. THEN we will all know how very wrong we were when He stands before us.
  5. Maybe it is because there are many denominations in error and they could be teaching a false gospel. This in turn, affects the people who don't know Jesus.

    But it does seem to get ugly at times. :(
  6. I agree, we shouldn't be.

    God keeping His church does not mean He reconciles man-kinds' trivial disagreements. Rather that 'Christ and Him crucified' 1 Cor 2:2 remains the core foundation. The devil is the author of confusion. But we need to be careful in applying that phrase to 'a church' that God is 'keeping'.

    Catholics, Protestants....we all teach to reject the mark of the beast and make a stand for Jesus.

    Bottom line is, as the end days approach, we will all inevitably get along better. I don't care what denomination you belong to, if you agree that X and Y is sin and angers God or are next to me in Nero's collosseum, we are good (sorry BEST) friends. Birds of a feather...
  7. Pride.. Certainly one of the reasons
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  8. Indeed. Too much "my interpretation is better than yours".
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  9. Ya! I can't see any other reason why we should fight among ourself :)
  10. It really bugs me because I go to a Catholic school and I'm literally the only Protestant there and everything is always anti-Protestant and such. -.-
  11. That sounds tough. Doctrinal/scriptural differences can get quite heated. Are they at least rational? Would they be willing to at least sit down and discuss where you differ while you both reference scripture?
  12. Legit Question

    That is certaintly a "legit question". The biggest problem is on the "interpretation" of the Gospel, or the reality of it.
    So the question becomes: which denomination has the true Gospel?

    Beloved, there are only THREE religions in the world: (1) the many gods, religion (two or more, or the semblance of it); (2) the no god religion (atheists); and (3) the One God religion. So we need to do is look at how many gods (or God) the religion has.
    Now this: there are only TWO churches in this world: the false church; and the true Church.
    How shall we know them? By the Gospel they preach (or lack of it). So this is the Gospel, as the Lord is witness:
    Mk. 16:15-16 _ "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved."
    Acts 2:38-39 _ "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission od sins, and you shall
    receive the gift of the Holy spirit. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
    I Cor. 15:1-4 _ "I declare unto you the Gospel...by which also you are saved...For I delivered unto you that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day, according to the scriptures...".
    The three witnesses (Jesus, Peter, and Paul) testify of the same thing.

    So now we have the right "religion", the right Church, and the right Gospel.
  13. Simple: Pride. Same sin of Lucifer and Adam.
  14. Spreading the gospel is the most important thing. However if a denomination is teaching salvation through works, then they are not teaching the gospel. Salvation through faith in what Jesus did by taking our sins upon himself to pay for all of our sins and raising us into new life as completely righteous in him must be taught. If true salvation isn't taught then other denominations are leading people astray from the gospel and their doctrines need to be exposed for the sake of the unsaved.
  15. This is great however on some issues it boils down to which sections one takes literally and which one sees symbolically. Like most Protestants always see the bread and the wine as symbolic but the number 1,000 literally, Catholics take the exact reverse. Bith sides use scriptures to defend their position. Same with Calvinists, post-Dordt Reformed, Arminians, and Orthodox. They all use scripture to support their respective positions/
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    Beloved, preaching and teaching are two different things: but both should point in the same direction.

    Saul of Tarsus was a preacher of the Gospel: then he was called into the Ministry as a teacher; and finally, to the apostleship.
    If one is teaching the Gospel that saves (TRUE Gospel), the teaching of "works of the flesh" cannot void the Gospel. The Gospel trumps everything that is opposed to it.

    You say, "Salvation through faith is what Jesus did..."??? No, Beloved: it is, has been, and will always be (until Jesus returns), "...by grace are you saved through faith...". We are not saved through faith only, but by grace! We must not disregard by omission the grace that saves.

    Beloved, if the Gospel that saves isn't preached, which is the true salvation, then whomever preaches another gospel is leading people astray. The Gospel is the foundation of salvation, "...Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone. We are assuredly
    "...built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets...": and that foundation is the Gospel, whose primary doctrines are repentance, baptism for the remission of sins, and receiving the Holy Spirit (not necessarily in that order: but repentance is certainly always first) And some would ask: "Where does faith enter into the equation?" Faith is present right at the point of repentance; for repentance is the calling of God to believe the Gospel.

    I understand that we all sometimes have a premise that we like to expound, but we must submit to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Else we would make the apostles and prophets, even the Lord Jesus, to be false teachers!
  17. I will answer your mistaken points in order:

    1. Preaching usually has teaching in it and this is basically a non issue.

    2. If someone is teaching or preaching the works of the flesh they can't void the gospel, but they can lead people astray and cause them not to know the gospel.

    3. I said faith in what Jesus did. I did not say is what Jesus did.

    4. If you are saying that water baptism is necessary for salvation, you are mistaken.
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    (1) preaching and teaching are not the same: preaching imparts faith to the unsaved; teaching, convinces the unsaved

    (2) The works of the flesh...does any denomination really do that? I mean, who's teaching that it's OK to sin?

    (3) Yes, you did: and I apologize.

    (4) I'm sorry: I didn't realize that Jesus, and John the Baptist, and Peter, and John the apostle, and the other ten apostles, and Paul did not believe in baptism "...for the remission of sins...". I apologize (not)!

    Jesus said, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Once more: "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved."
    Peter, full of the Holy Spirit, said: "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Hoily Spirit.
    Ooops! There's another who was mistaken: the Holy Spirit (not)!
  19. I didn't know that the church was so concerned with other denominations. Whenever I think about denominations and which one I should follow, I think of this verse:

    "Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."
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    On another thread you wrote, "What is biblical, is biblical."

    I don't follow denominations at all, and denominations don't understand me: if this was a "church setting", I would probably have already been shown the door. I also like the verse you posted, but I would rather enjoy fellowship in the full Gospel.

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