Hi @Abdicate, I think you are referring to me saying, `it strikes at the very heart of the pre-eminence of the Lord Jesus Christ.` `For by Him all things were created that are in heaven & that are on earth, visible & invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him & for Him. And He is before all things & in Him all things consist. And He.....is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the pre-eminence.` (Col. 1: 16 - 18) Good to look at what it means. Pre-eminence - Gk. `proteno` meaning to be first in rank, & from `protos,` foremost in time, place, order, importance, chiefest, first. I think that gives us a bigger picture than just `first.` Over all those realms, visible & invisible, heaven & earth, & authorities, the Lord Jesus Christ is pre-eminent, in rank, in place, in time, in importance. Would love to hear your thoughts also on this, Abdicate. Marilyn.