Jesus Is The Father

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Sheila Renae, Mar 3, 2013.

  1. Here is the proof that He declared Himself as the Father

    John 14:14---If ye ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT.
    John 16:23---And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, HE WILL GIVE IT YOU.

    John 12:45--And He that seeth me seeth Him that sent me.

    John 14:7--If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth ye know Him, AND HAVE SEEN HIM

    John 14:10--Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you, I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.

    John 6:46--Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

    Most know that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. In these three verses Jesus said I WILL raise this temple from the dead. He is the Father manifest in the flesh--this IS the Hidden Wisdom of the Bible. There are not three separate persons of God. God is spirit--He manifests Himself in many ways. Burning bush, cloud, a man--etc. We are God's temples. He is the head of the temple.

    John 2:19--Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I WILL raise it up.

    Mark 14:58--We heard Him say, I WILL destroy this temple that is made with hands(flesh), and within three days I WILL build another made without hands.(flesh)

    Matthew 26:61--And said, this fellow said, I AM able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days. (Only the Creator can do such a thing)

    Jesus was the sacrifice for our sins and bore our sins in HIS body--1Peter 2:24--BUT, every MAN is responsible for his own sins and has to bear them himself if he doesn't repent and keep the commandments of God with the acceptance that Jesus is God.---Ezekiel 18:14-21, Deuteronomy 24:16,Galatians 6:5. If Jesus was just a man and not God--He could not have bore our sins and been a sacrifice for sin. He is God. There is only ONE God.
    God only needed ONE body in which to place ALL His truth, ALL His love, ALL His power and ALL His wisdom. In Jesus is where God placed ALL His feelings, thoughts and examples and called it Son. He came forth and set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of how He expects us to be and how He FEELS towards us. Jesus was God's own identity/soul.
    Yeshua Bless You
  2. You are in error here. The God is One being, but has manifested Himself to mankind as 3 persons. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. This is basic Trinitarian doctrine.

    Perhaps you should get a parallel Bible with the literal translation to work from. Some things that seem so obvious in English were not there in the original Greek.

    As to the quotes mentioning rebuilding the temple, you do remember Jesus saying that He has recieved this from the Father"? That being that He could "lay down His life, and pick it up again".
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  3. thinks that there is some confusion here on the doctrine of the Trinity.

    Sheila, please understand that the wisdom of God is Christ. It was Christ in the burning bush. It was Christ in the cloud by day and the fire by night. It was Christ who created all things. It was Christ who came incarnated as a man to pay for mans sin and it is Christ who who judge all men.

    As my friend Glomung states......."The God is One being, but has manifested Himself to mankind as 3 persons".
  4. Hmmmm...Trinity again? John 1:1-14, 1 John 5:7
  5. I DO NOT believe in the trinity as being three separate individuals with all the same power, all the same intelligence, all the same wisdom, etc. I do not believe in the trinity at all. Just one sovereign God. Jesus. God just used three different titles/NAMES by which to hide His wisdom in. This is the hidden wisdom of the Bible. He is never separated from Himself. His creations also house Him but we have individual souls. It was the WAYS of God that we are to adhere to--the Father within. We are to see beyond the flesh of Christ and see the God He is--within.
    There is no God and savior besides Him. It is three ways of describing Himself--visible, invisible and Sovereign.
    God is the head(Son), brain(Father) and life(Holy Spirit) of His body of believers and His name is Jesus Christ.
    I think of all things visible as the Father, all things invisible as the holy spirit of intelligence and love and WE are the sons and daughters of Him. God is a Unity not a trinity.
    Yeshua Bless You
  6. Hmmmmm

    Can you provide scripture to your claims other than stated above? (About God being a 'Unity')
  7. Sheila........., DRS called it right, please post your Scripture used to make your thought!
  8. Here is one more.

    Deuteronomy 6:4

    “Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!
  9. Ryan......many have over the years tried to use this verse to deny the Trinity, but the word here ONE in Hebrew is (echad) and it means "compound unity".

    The phrase "ONE GOD" means God has one name, and it is a testimony against polytheism. Both the unity and Trinity of the Godhead are taught in the Old Test. (Gen. 1:26-27; Psalms 2:7; Isaiah 48:16).

    Good to see you are still around!!!!
  10. God is spirit and those who worship must worship in spirit and in truth John 4:24. He is also Holy. The kingdom of God is within. Heaven is within us. Luke 17:21

    Isaiah 45:5--I am the Lord, and there is none else, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME. I AM the Lord, and there is none else.
    Isaiah 44:6--Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last AND BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD.

    Isaiah 45:21--.......and there is no God else beside me; A JUST GOD AND A SAVIOUR THERE IS NONE BESIDE ME

    Zecharaiah 12:10--And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: AND THEY SHALL LOOK UPON *ME* WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, and they shall mourn for HIM, as one mourneth for HIS ONLY SON, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
    **In this verse God is speaking of Himself as two beings that are in truth just one--Himself **

    Deuteronomy 4:39--Know therefore this day, and consider IT in thine heart, THAT THE LORD HE IS GOD IN HEAVEN ABOVE, AND UPON THE EARTH BENEATH: there is none else

    Isaiah 45:15--Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the SAVIOUR

    Jesus is before all things---Micah 5:2, John 1:1,8:58, 17:5,17:24, Rev, 22:13
    We've always had the Holy Ghost--Acts 28:25( Holy Ghost spoke through Isaiah)
    We are married to God and one with Him and His name is Jesus--Jeremiah 3:14, Isaiah 54:5, Hosea 2:20,2:14-17,
    2 Corinthians 11:2, Rev. 19:29,21:1-27
    Jesus has preeminence, only God has--John 14:9:14,14:7, Ephesians 4:4-6
    Jesus created ALL things--John 1:3, Ephesians 3:6, Colossians 1:15-20, Rev. 3:14
    **As concerning Unity--1 Corinthians 12:12-26, John 17:23, Ephesians 4:1-3, 4:2-6 plus the ones that state He is married to us--as being inside us.
    He is the Alpha and Omega and His name is Jesus--Genesis and Revelation

    Yeshua Bless You
  11. This means Unity
    Forgot Colossians 2:9---For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead BODILY.
    The Sovereignty/intelligence, the Spirit/love and the flesh

    Yeshua Bless You
  12. Shelia....This forum takes offense at typing in Caps is seen as screaming and forcing. Might be wise to type normally.

    It may be good if you are preaching anti-trintarian theories that you at least read the forum rules and not type in caps and appear to be yelling.
  13. Well, hello Sheila, (cRusty note the spelling of her name. :)) you certainly make an entry, don't you. Firstly, I feel compelled to warn you about your choice of Bible verses that you choose to aid and abet your position.
    Your use of the lying testimony of those scoundrels at the mock trial of Jesus does little for you I'm afraid. I refer to your opening post and the quote from Mark's, and then Matthew's gospels.

    It is interesting.....maybe significant that this very issue was on my mind as I 'got up' this morning and before I even turned on my computer.
    I had a slightly different direction in mind, but................
    You say that you do not believe in the trinity? As you seem to understand it, I doubt anyone does!
    The 'oneness' Christians cry out " Hear O Israel, The Lord our God, He is one Lord"
    The 'trinitarian' Christians cry out " Hear O Israel, The Lord our God, He is one Lord"
    Never think even for one nano second that trinitarian theology has three Gods.....we don't.
    But consider the scene John was confronted with in Rev 5. There is the one seated on the throne, there is the Lamb, and sundry other personages.
    The Lamb shares the glory and the worship of 'Him who sits on the throne, yet will the Lord share His glory with another? No, so yes, the The Lord our God is one Lord, but He has revealed Himself to us in three persons.
    Then there is Jesus' Baptism, we see Jesus, dripping wet, we see the Holy Spirit descending like a dove, and we hear the voice of the Father from heaven all at the same time! Matt 3:16,17. Fry them eggs!

    Who are we to reject His chosen revelation and strive to change His revealed nature to suit our limited intellect?
  14. Always was bad at names, clavin...
  15. I used caps to emphasize. I should have highlighted sections but I have a new computer and can't even figure out how to underline yet. I'm not sure I like this laptop. It's called a chromebook with a thing called a cloud. Do you have any idea how to underline or highlight with this thing? I've only had it a couple of days. VERY confusing.
    Yeshua Bless You
  16. Sheila, who is Yeshua ??? Is that some kind of Hindu deity?
    I do know that the angel Gabriel told Mary to name her coming baby...' ιησουν ' which translates as Jesus.
    There is no instance in the New Testament of 'Joshua'. In the OT Exo 17:9 for example, Joshua is translated from the Greek (Septuagint) as ιησου. These two instances are both the same, just syntactically different.
    My point is that most everyone refers to the Son of God as Jesus. Even in your opening post and also in the thread Title you use the word Jesus.
    Is there some special holiness attached to using a different name than that given Him by the Angel? I say different, because Yeshua is not a transliteration of ιησου; that would be (phonetically) Yaisou. There is no 'e' sound in the word....η...Eta, has an 'ai' sound.
    So, sorry if I seem picky, but.....
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  17. Jesus spoke Aramaic Hebrew when He walked among us. I just prefer it. The Hebrew names that were given by God have meanings. It can be Y'shua, Yeshua, Yehoshua--translated better as Joshua. Aramaic has even been found in Genesis. Daniel has a lot of Aramaic in it. Aramaic whether spoken or written didn't translate perfectly into Greek and they had to just get close to what was meant. But, God know His name in any language.
    Y'shua Bless You
  18. It has nothing to do with the computer: type in the "Reply" window from the forum. All tweeks are available there. Really.

    Let the message be simple and maybe folks will understand. I have found that over emphasis is a bad thing.
  19. Thank you for your reply.
    from an article in Wikipedia on Aramaic....."Personal names in the New Testament come from a number of languages, Hebrew and Greek are most common. However, there are a good few Aramaic names as well. The most prominent feature in Aramaic names is 'bar' (Greek transliteration βαρ, Aramaic bar), meaning 'son of', a common patronym prefix. Its Hebrew equivalent, 'ben', is conspicuous by its absence. Some examples are:......" None mention Jesus, Jashua, Yeshua, Yasous or what ever.
    But I do notice that whenever Jesus is mentioned in the New testament as 'Jesus the Son of God' , He is never referred to as Yeshua bar Theos........interesting.
  20. I like to come around and start up a bit of trouble every now and again.

    Yes, "echad" has been used as a composite unity like when a man and women are joined together. However, of the 900 or so times echad is used, the vast, vast majority is used in its singularity. There are so many verses that speak to the oneness, not the plurality of God. Here is just another one:

    “I am the Eternal, and there is none else; besides me there is no Elohim.
    I will gird you, though you have not known me; that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
    that there is none besides me:
    I am the Eternal, and there is no one else.” (Isaiah 45:5-6 HNV revised)

    The vast majority of the scriptures always speak to one God.

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