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Islam and Israel and prophecies of theBible

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by PetriFB, Jul 30, 2011.

  1. Muslims try to destroy Israel, and demand areas of Israel's land for themselves. Muslims say that some areas of Israel belong to the Palestinians. The Quran declares that Allah has given the land of Israel for Jews, which is their holy land.

    The Muslims fight against the announcement of the Quran when try to destroy Israel and take over the land of Israel. The Palestinian issue and the Middle East problems would be solved if the Muslims would believe the Quran and to allow the Israelis to live in their own land, which belongs to them. Of course, it would be best if they would believe in the Lord Jesus and the Bible, because, then they really know to whom the land of Israel belongs to. The rich Arab countries could re-colonize the Palestinian Arabs, and to give them a good home and a livelihood, because they can afford to it by many billions of oil incomes. The Arabs don't want to do this, but they want to keep Palestinian Arabs in misery as well as a shield and an excuse against Israel.

    The whole article: http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/differencesquranbible5.html
     
  2. In order for the word of the prophets to come true there has to be a foundation that it can be built on. There then have to be walls, one stone on the other. What is happening in Israel is simply the construction of the building for the final prophecies to unfold.
    Daniel 7 tells us that there were
    Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another……
    After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

    Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
    Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
    This final beast is rising out of the dust of the former beasts. Many teach that it is the EU but these scriptures point toward a beast that replaces the beasts that come before it. They all came in the Middle East. This new beast should also come in the Middle East. Today the only people that occupy this area are Muslim. If it is Islam that is the beast then in order for them to become the beast there has to be motivation.
    Prophecy tells us that they will declare Jihad near the end of this age. It is written in Rev 13. The second beast who lends all of it’s power to the beast with 10 horns calls for Jihad.
    Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
    Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    This is Jihad. It has been taught for years that the mark of the beast is 666. However, recently a few Arab speaking Muslims have come to Christ and they reveal that the word translated 666 was originally an Arabic word that means Allah is Lord. It was written in Arabic because there is no way to write Allah in Greek or Hebrew. And so it was written in Arabic. It is unknown to me why the KJV and others translated it 666. However, it now makes perfect sense.
    In Luke 21:20 we are told that Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies just prior to Jesus return. Jews are warned to flee to the mountains because there will be great tribulation for them in those days. Matthew 24:15 tells us that at this time an abomination of desolation will be set up where it shouldn’t be. He says Daniel tells of this event. When we go to Daniel to see what it says we find in Daniel 9:27 that a prince of the people who destroyed the city and the sanctuary would make a 7 year covenant. In Daniel 9:27 we see that there was to be an abomination that causes desolation set up in the midst of the 7. It should be noted that this was to be set up in the midst of the 7 and not the middle of the 7. There is a big difference. Daniel 8:11-14 prove the true meaning because they tell us that there would be 2300 days from the signing to the abomination. When calculated this brings us to mid April 2016.
    So in order for this to all transpire there has to be reason or motivation. This motivation lies in the hatred that Islam has toward Israel that you speak of. There is nothing that can or will be done to prevent this. It is written that this will transpire. According to these scriptures we should see an army gathered against Jerusalem that will take them captive into many nations about April 2016.
    God gives us prophecy to prove to us that we cannot live without him. He will allow it to continue until the war of Armageddon. Many leaders have tried to stop this, but in time it will come to pass. We can look at the natural and complain and point fingers and think up our solutions but nothing can or will stop these things from unfolding. We need to realize that God is on the throne and simply warn all who will listen and tell them about Jesus.
    He has promised to keep us from the hour of temptation that comes upon the world to test them. We must learn obedience to Christ and take heed to the warnings in scripture given to the 7 churches and throughout the new testament.
     
  3. Islam emerged 600 years after Christ. Before that the Arab tribes were mostly polytheistic idol worshipers. The quaran is not a "holy" book, it does not come from God - it apparantly came from an angel given to Mohammed who then went about using severe force to get the Arab tribes to submit to this new religion. Islam is lumped together with the other false religions in the bible - they all come to the same end. The reason it does not come from God is that it denies the deity of Jesus Christ (like all false religions) and God cannot contradict Himself. He cannot say in the Bible that Jesus is the atonement for sin and the only way to salvation and then say in the quaran that Jesus was merly a man and Mohammed is the real prophet and maybe one will recieve salvation unless they kill a Christian or a Jew. Islam is a false religion - that is why they want to destroy the Jewish nation.

    Israel is in trouble until they accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. There are many OT prophecies about what is to come upon Israel and the middle east and we will have to see how they unfold. Things are definitely heating up in the middle east maybe we are seeing the preparation for the battle of all battles. I personally think nothing will happen to Israel as long as America still has allegence to them. This allegence is thinning and maybe could come to an abrupt end but we will have to wait and see - speculation is quite rife amongst end time theologians at the moment. One guy who seems to speak a lot of sense on this topic is Joel Rosenburg - check out his blog but then again I do not thing he has it all quite right.

    I did a bit of a study on the book of Daniel some time ago and cant remember all the details but one interesting thing popped up. If we calculate when the Dome of the Rock was built on the temple mount it works out mathematically exactly to Daniels prophecy of the abomination of desolation. Then again my maths may be off. Anyway it is exciting times in which we live and I think we will see some surprising events take place soon.

    If we look at Jesus' sermon of the end times then all the events He spoke about are happening right now - we just dont know to what extent they will continue to occur before He comes for His church.
     
  4. Kevin;
    It is interesting that you did a study on Daniel a few years back but you can't see the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies in the current events. Is it possible that you are unwilling to take another look or that you don't truly believe the word is of God? I say this because what I have written should cause those who read it to take another look at Daniel, while what you wrote seams to be telling people we can't know so why read it. Sit back and watch what happens.
    Such advise is not of God. He says study prophecy as light that shines in a darkl place until the day dawns and the morning star arise in your hearts. When we first come to Jesus we have a love for the truth and we search scripture for understanding. However, many have lost that first love and their eyes have glazed over. They no longer have any real revelation and offer others the same advise that their flesh has offered them. Don't worry you will never understand it so why try.
    This is a lie. You can understand it, if you continue to seek the truth will all of your heart. If something doesn't make sense then cry out to God and keep searching. Revelation works the same way as salvation or healing. It is by faith and communion with God. True communion is not possible without prayer. It is a two way street. But make sure your communion is with the living God. Agree with him quickly less the deceiver finds a hole to fill with a lie.
    A covenant has been signed. That is a fact.
    Scripture said it would come. That is a fact.
    It matches perfectly with scripture. That is a fact.
    Daniel 8:14 says there will be 2300 days before the abomination is set up. That is fact.
    So the problem is not the word it is believing the word. Faith in the word.
     
  5. Can we possible perceive the "intended message of God" regarding ISRAEL if only we take the word of God literally? Let us be reminded of the following, as revealed to Paul who recognized JESUS CHRIST personally:

    2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

    "Letter" refers to man's literally understanding/interpretation of the word of God.
    "Spirit" refers to the "spiritual message/meaning" of the word of God, and this definitely would give the "intended message" thereof.
     
  6. Greetings in the name of Jesus: :)

    If I may add to this Post.. Only add that in Islam and Quran about Islamic countries... "Once an area or country is converted to Islam, it will never return or change". And one reason Israel is not recognized, and Palestinians are outcasts. .. Israel's existence, is an open contradiction to the Quran.

    Soon Israel and all peoples, and every tongue shall wag " Jesus is Lord"...

    I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.
     
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  8. You are miss understanding 2 Corinthians 3:6
    This verse is about how the old testiment works the law while the new testiment reveals the spirit.
    "Letter" refers to preaching thou shalt not and putting people under condemnation. They are under law and therfore condemned. The letter of the law works death through this condemnation.
    "Spirit" refers to the the reading of the new testiment reveals the love of christ availed to us by the blood of Jesus on the cross. It reveals the Holy Ghost and his work in us to enable us to walk in God's ways in the Spirit. The revelation of the Spirit works life through repentance and obedience to Christ with the enabling of the Holy Ghost.
    If we took your interpritation we wouldn't be able to believe the word at all. It would depend totally on personal interpritation.
    The word says if they don't believe the prophets they won't bellieve if a man is raised from the dead.
    Study prophecy as light that shines in a dark place until the day dawns and the morning star arise in your heart. In other words keep studying until you understand all things. Then you will have perfect fellowship with what God is doing.
     
  9. The words "Once an area or country is converted to Islam, it will never return or change" are only according to Islam. Seeing as they serve a false God what difference does it make what the quran says. Its wrong.

    It is intersesting that Gog and Magog are Islam and they show up in scripture at the end of Christ's reign after the millenium. In the Quran they prophecy of Jesus returning as a prophet, not as the sone of the living God. This reveals that they will live on in deception during the millenium. Why? Because when Jesus returns all Jews will realize he is their Messiah, as will all backsliden Christians, some to repentance, but the Muslims will just see the quran as the true word of god because it told them he wuld return. This is why Daniel 7 tells us that the beast will be destroyed but the other beasts will be allowed to continue for a short time.

    God has it covered.
     

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