Is Christmas Truly A Christian Celebration?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Mohamad_1996, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. This video had me wondering:

    If what is in it is true, then why isn't this being preached in the chruchs? How can they keep celebrating devil-made religion celebration taken from the Romans?

    And If the Romans truly incorporated their own beliefs into the Christian religion and the bible... How can we be sure that the bible we have today isn't one tainted by Roman multi-god worshiping hands?

    and we does the current Christian belief in Jesus fit with the exact same beliefs of the Roman madeup god called mythica or whatever.

    Please watch the video before replying, Thank you for your time :)
  2. People keep trotting this bilge out every Christmas......every Easter.
    The simple truth is that there are only 365 1/4 days in a year. That means that 0n any given day someone somewhere is having a birthday, someone is dying, someone is celebrating some sort of pagan rite, some muslim group is blowing up innocent children etc..
    If I was born on the same day that some extremist bombed some innocent women and children, that would not make me a filthy abomination, but throwing my lot in with them would.

    In the same way when we Christians celebrate the greatest gift of love this creation has and will ever experience, the coming of the Messiah, the Lord of lords and the King of kings, He who is above all prophets, real and imagined it does not even matter if the actual date of birth was other than Dec 25. What matters is that practically the whole world stops and remembers and celebrates this great event. And if some sad excuse for humanity wants to blow people up for it, well that wont change the truth.
    Ohh and another thing. You are here on this forom through lies and deceit. You are supposed to be a Christian, You were required to provide information about the church in which you fellowship, yet you are a muslim bearing witness to nothing other than your dishonesty.
    Here is a reprint of our statement of faith that you have claimed to agree with, yet as a self confessed muslim can not do:::
    colour emphasis added to highlight your dishonesty.
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  3. I did not know this was a Christian only forums, sadly I did not read the rules as others rarely do.

    Your reply shows a lack of knowledge about any other religion other then Christianity.

    blowing up innocent children?.. what a sad way to think.

    I have dealt with people who are brainwashed like you before, so rather then take my time writing the same reply I did them to you, I will just copy paste my reply from a different forums.

    Kaffir says: A classic example of Islamic brainwashing, dying for your "god" is such stupidity.

    In reply to a cartoon movie of the live of the Prophet [​IMG]

    The Reply:

    Yet dying for your country is not? and who better to die for then our creator?

    If God shows too much of a miracle or sends angels or comes himself then what kind of test will this life be? Isn't this life a test to separate the righteous from the impure and evil? Is not this life a test? One where Allah leaves enough signs and guidance for those who are sincere while leaving enough room for those who are evil to deny and doubt?

    and what of suffering? what does the pain that humanity goes through teach us?

    It teaches us gratitude? What of children how they are suffering? The reward that Allah has for them is greater then their suffering.

    For showing patience throughout their suffering and staying true to the religion of God, they will be rewarded accordingly. and they themselves will say "This is more then worth my suffering ten times over" heck, even the last one to leave hell will completely forget all His suffering on Earth and Hell both from the overwhelming pleasure of the LOWEST heaven.

    Allah does not ask of us to kill, He asks us to hold true to his guidance no matter how much we suffer, and no matter how much peer pressure exists.

    and He asks us to put our lives at risk to defend ourselves, our families and loved ones, our people, the innocent and the poor and the oppressed. He forbids us from killing civilians in war or outside it except in a justice system in one of our countries. He forbids us from pillaging or raping .From stealing or even TORTURING PRISONERS OF WAR. YES THAT IS FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM

    We our forbidden from harming animals, needlessly killing insects or from harming ourselves, our wives, or our families.

    He forbids on us drinking and gambling saving us from falling to temptation and addiction that would destroy our families and break us apart.

    He forbids us from disrespecting women, from having sex out of wedlock. From forcing our women to marry those who they do not want too.

    From even looking at a women's body in a sexual way who is not a wife of ours.

    From being immodest and showing off our bodies in public.

    From prosecuting others based upon their own religious beliefs.

    Yes some punishments for crimes may seem harsh. but which is worse? Those punishments (losing a hand for stealing out of greed, publicly leaving the religion of Islam and pushing others to do so etc) or eternal hellfire where your pain receptors constantly grow back so that your pain is endless. where you are stuck in a state between life and death. neither alive nor dead.

    Forbids us from disrespecting the people around us. From raising our voices when speaking to others, from even getting ANGRY.

    These are the values we are taught in Islam, these are the values the majority of all Muslims are taught and follow.

    Are you saying these values are wrong? Are you saying basing our actions on them is us being brainwashed? I never speak of other religions, people, places, countries, or ANYTHING. Before properly educating myself by speaking with said people, asking them of their beliefs, and not simply going to hate-monger websites and help spread lies against God. truly that is a bad way to live.

    It is sad that you so easily fall into belief of stereotypes and insult the religion that is closer to Christianity then even Judaism.

    I guess it can't be helped.. some people are uncaring about what they say, you say you worship the king of kings? The almighty? The one God who created everything and nothing in of itself?

    Then show Him proper respect be not making a fool of yourself to his other worshipers.
  4. it is not the bible that is tainted ,it is man that taints it .......i take no offense to your interpretation of christmas and other holidays as i do not celebrate them either due to my beliefs.....have a blessed day brother.....
  5. You as well Brother.
  6. You raised a somewhat controversial issue for one who explains things in worldly, flesh, carnal….

    A Christian is being trained to see what matters most: the spirit or essence of the matter over foods gifts and date politics ….

    John 4:21-24
    Jesus Talks With a Samaritan Woman

    21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
  7. That is, to see the spirit of things of what matters most: to avoid stumbling blocks.....

    I hope you do not fall on stumbling blocks such as titles….

    Jesus Christ as the "Son of the living God" is not to be explained in a carnal flesh worldly way….

    It is understood in spirit…..

    Christ Crucified Is God’s Power and Wisdom

    1 Corinthians 1:22-25

    22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
  8. Hi there,

    A lot of pagan beliefs were adopted into the traditions and in some cases the doctrines of Christianity and Judaism in the first few centuries and few centuries B.C. due to the process of Hellenization--the Roman Catholic church retaining most of those traditions. However, even though the origins of Christmas are in fact pagan, as a Christian I know whom I worship. It is a matter of the heart. I can safely enjoy the spirit of giving in Christmas and coming together as a family, witnessing for Christ, and praising the name of God without a stain on my conscience. However, if my motive was geared towards satanic activity, that would be a different thing altogether.

    God bless,
  9. But If It were so simple, as intention then we can do anything and claim that our intention is to worship and praise God through this action.

    Jeremiah 10: 2-5

    King James Bible

    Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
    3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

    4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

    5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

    It seems that God cares about how you worship Him.

    It seems that He wants you to worship Him HIS way, thus celebrating him by adapting the ways of heathens is clearly disobeying His eternal will.

    Allah has taught us how to worship Him, we need not and should not adapt any other way. (Allah means God for those who do not know)
  10. It's not a devil-made religion, it is a folk tradition more than anything else that the Pagans adopted, and then the Catholic Church adapted. In general, it's not a bad policy to take something and sanctify it for a Holy use rather than leave it to be used for evil. If we fight against our own 1,000 year old traditions, we are merely giving up something that causes people to actually think about others, show compassion for others, and even remind them about our Savior. Attacks on Christmas serve those that hate God more than they serve the Kingdom of God. If the decorations offend, then don't decorate. If the traditions offend, then don't follow. Use the time to focus on giving to those in need, and fulfill one of your own pillars of Islam. That is always what every day should be about.

    There is only one God. There are not multiple gods. The Trinity is a concept. An attempt to understand and represent a God that is far beyond our understanding. God is not one of three, or one of many, but God simply is. The Trinity doctrine is merely a means to reconcile the different characteristics of God in a way that still apparently confuses far too many people. Even Islam recognized this in Christianity (though the Qu'ran describes us as "confused" IIRC). Only in modern times is there an attempt to revise that view because some believe there is something to be gained by separating God from Allah.

    He doesn't. This is mostly propaganda, very much akin to declaring Allah to be the same as the moon demon of a similar name from ancient Arabian lore, and just as offensive. The documentary that declared such things was more full of half-truths and fantasy than "The DaVinci Code" or Satan's whispers into Eve's ear. It was designed to destroy, and all such things cannot be considered impartial.

  11. Excellent point. Let me clarify by saying I do not believe we can rationalize our deeds if our deeds are truly sin. My thinking is along the lines of 1 Cor 8 in which Paul discusses the issue in His day which was eating food offered to idols. To the Christian Paul states, it makes no difference if the food was offered to idol or not, since "knowledge tells us that no idol has any real existence." Therefore it does "not make us better men, nor are we the worse if we do not eat it." . 1 Cor 8 4-13(JB Phillips)
  12. Well, I think like this. If we can celebrate our birthdays, be it on a pagan day or devils day or whatever day then we can celebrate the birth, death and resurrection of our Lord any day we like. If we could celebrate them everyday, then that would have been even better. What the devil took from me, I will take it back from him in Jesus' Name. :D
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  13. Amen................ Music, holidays (Cept Halloween, I am not a fan of that) I just take it back from the devil and use it for good. It's also not good to get wrapped up in all the history and religious junk.

  14. I guess I don't understand the point of this. Am I supposed to believe that God will be like, "Yeah celebrated the birth of Jesus on a day set by the Emperor of Rome 2,000 years ago. So off to hell with you!" o_O
  15. yea, I prayed yesterday over our food. Well, I speak to the food that it be clean and sanctified by the Word, safe to eat. At the end I said thank you Lord for sending Jesus to the Earth. That Part felt out of place a bit, not bad, but as if it was not needed to be added in.
  16. More so I'd think it would be a matter of not putting effort into separating yourself from
    ancient pagan rituals.

    The reasoning behind doing so is to stop "Bid'a" which means innovation, it is an arabic word.

    This is what the Prophet Mohamad Peace be upon him use to say of innovation

    The worst of affairs are the newly-invented matters, and every newly-invented matter is an innovation. And every innovation is misguidance. And all misguidance is in the Fire.”

    In an effort to push people away from changing the scripture of God or celebrating holidays and rituals and such that is not made by God Himself.

    The belief is that innovation eventually misguides the people from the correct guidance, in an effort to preserve the scripture (Qur'an) and the teachings of the Prophet (Mohamad Peace be upon Him) innovation is seen in a negative light.

    Would the same apply to Christianity? How many people call themselves Christian yet do not know the first thing about the life of Jesus (peace be upon him) ? and innovation also leads to misguidance and fabrication.

    For instance, let us say the book of God known as the Bible had a chapter, speaking of worshiping God by prostrating and reciting verses of the bible (pretty much like the Jews and Muslims do, and Jesus use to do as I believe can be found in the bible)

    and now that has been removed/changed over the years leaving Christianity incomplete as one piece of the religion has been permanently changed or removed.

    Would it not make more sense that God sends another messenger with a religion in which he preserves and protects from said changes and fabrications as seen from the Hadith?

    would it not make more sense that the Scripture be preserved and unchanged as well as the Hadith/Gospel seeing as they are the pillars of the religion in of itself and without them no one can truly say that the religion is being followed correctly.

    If the bible has been tainted by the hands of man overtime, and much has been changed and removed. How do we know that our correct information/belief system and understanding of both God and Jesus is accurate?

    Did Jesus come only to the descendants of Israel? Or was he a Prophet to the whole world?

    Was he only a Prophet ? Or was he both a Prophet and Messenger? A messenger comes to a people who completely forgot/lost the teachings of God, A Prophet comes to remind people of the proper laws of God undo any changes made by those who wish to misguide others and are in a sense a reminder.

    If Jesus came to all of mankind he would be referred to as a Messenger, and not just a Prophet.

    The important thing is, Is the belief system of God an accurate guidance to live life in the best way possible?

    Or does God only wish us to worship and believe in Him and to do good deeds, but does not in a sense guide us to what is Good/Great.

    In Islam all the actions of the Messenger of God (peace be upon him) is an example on how to act/live

    As God says in the Qu'ran to Mohamad (peace be upon him)

    "and you are on the highest form of manners"

    Taught by God Himself (through the Angel Gabriel also believed to be the Holy Spirit that is referred to in the Bible) How to behave.

    So his life and actions are an example to us, like, do not get angry unless it is righteous anger (someone was raped/beaten and you get mad, that's okay) That your mothers should be your best friends, then your fathers.

    To never disobey your parents unless they tell you to disobey God.

    To never force anyone to marry who they do not want too.

    To sleep on your right side when in bed.

    To never EVER harm an animal, and not to unnecessarily kill animals/insects unless the are dangerous (like scorpions)

    To never cause self-harm (cutting yourself, smoking etc)

    To never be unclean (Always wash your hands, wash your backside after using the bathroom on top of using toilet paper etc)

    To not eat anything not slaughtered in the name of God (In contrary to the sayings of paul)

    To be kind to everyone and to never be rude even If the one you are talking to is extremely disrespectful, If they are then you should leave and ignore them. God is with those who are Patience, show patience and God will reward you in the afterlife for your restraint.

    So on and so forth, these are all taught in the Qur'an and the Hadith, mostly in the Hadith (The sayings and actions of the Prophet Mohamad Peace be upon him)

    So, is that a better and more detailed guidance on how to please God, avoid sin and things that lead to sin, or is there something similar in Christianity that I do not know of?
  17. From the testimony of mohamad-1996,
    So are you claiming equality with God for yourself? Only He can see the end from the beginning. How can you bear witness to things you have not personally seen? Does that not make you a false witness?
    I refer of course to your claim to be a witness to mohammad being the final messenger.
  18. The test of life is believing in God without seeing him, and following the guidance of his messengers. avoiding sinful acts and not allowing the devil to succeed in dragging you with him to hell.

    The Shahadah is the declaration of belief in God and His messengers.

    and it is not a false witness, it is the type of witness someone makes when they have full trust in someone else.

    "Mohamad, Do you bear witness that John didn't commit this crime"

    "Yes I do"

    Doing so because you believe fullheartedly that said person would never commit said crime.

    I do not know If there is an english word to proper translate that.

    Also another declaration of faith is

    "I believe in God, and His angels, and His messengers/prophets, and His scriptures, and the day of judgement.

    That is also a declaration of belief.
  19. The News sure tells a different story about how Muslims act toward people and treat others.

    All that is cool until you claim that the Holy Spirit is just an angel. You should be here to get saved and learn, not rant on about stuff in the heathen world and false religions.

    Also, Coca Cola did not invent the image of Santa, just more misinformation.
  20. The News have shown themselves that they can be bought. and have laid many times before and withheld information even more then that.

    I did not "claim" anything, rather I am speaking about the differences in the religions, the reasoning behind some belief's etc etc.

    You could see it as trading information and increasing our knowledge in each others religion. It's sad how many people know nothing about each other, yet show an unreasonable amount of hate/disgust to said person's religion and belief's.

    I am here to learn and teach so that I may increase in my knowledge and hopefully please God.

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