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Thank you beloved for your response. That would totally make sense to me if I didn't read Paul's reason why, which he says immediately after that sentence
"she must be quiet." Why??? "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."
So as much as I would love to go with what you are saying, I think Paul makes it pretty clear for his reason.
Cool selfie, do you sing?
What would that be, pray tell? Does chronological order have something to do with it?
No, it is about etiquette in the house of God, and about learning with respect and quietude....and about respect for those who teach....which was not happening at one point and Paul had to step up as an apostle and show the church how to do it.
I love you my dear and just as my brother Gene has said, I can tell from your comments that you are walking with the Lord.
However in this instance, I agree with Gene as IMHO the Bible makes it abundantly clear that the office of deacon and Pastor are for men and not women. Now do not misunderstand me, I did not say I like it or even agree with it, BUT it is what the Bible says so I obey it. Personally, I have seen women who act and work more for the cause of Christ than men do. They are the ones who cook, and clean and take care of babies and they d almost all of the teaching in Bible studies in churches.
In addition to the Scriptures Gene has posted, please consider..........
1 Tim. 3:1
"This is a true saying, If a MAN desire the office of a bishop HE desires a good work".
1 Tim. 3:2
"A Bishop then must be blameless, the HUSBAND of one wife..........".
3:4.....
"One that rules well HIS own house..........".
3:5......
"For if a MAN know not how to rule...........".
3:7.............
"Moreover HE must have a good report.........".
I'm curious. What does God sound like when he talks to you? Does he have an accent?
How did you come to know that he speaks to you before you realised?
That's funny, because women served the Lord as deacons in the early church.
The NT records ministering women in the Church. Tabitha or Dorcas, a disciple, had a ministry of helps. (Acts 9:36). Philip’s four daughters worked in the ministry of prophet (Acts 21:8-9). Euodia and Syntyche, co-workers of Paul shared in his struggle in ministry to spread the gospel (Philippians 4:2-3). Priscilla was an exemplary among “fellow workers in Christ Jesus” (Romans 16:3-4). Further, in Romans 16, Paul greets a multitude of ministers of the gospel, many of them women.
Phoebe, a church leader in the church at Cenchrae, was highly commended by Paul to the church at Rome (Romans 16:102). Unfortunately, the existing bias of modern English translators has in some ways obscured Phoebe’s position of leadership, calling her a ‘servant’ or ‘helper’ in the wrong sense of the word. The true sense of the word is as a helper in the sense of one who is in a higher position reaching down to help those in a lower position---the term was used to describe Caesar by historians also, so it was not used in the sense of how we view helpers today---as those who are subservient, helping those of higher position, like an employer, for example. Phoebe was ‘diakonos’ of the church at Cenchrae. Paul would use this term to denote a minister or leader of a congregation and applied it specifically to Jesus Christ, Tychicus, Epaphras, Timothy, and to his own ministry. Depending on the context, ‘diakonos’ is usually translated as ‘deacon’ or ‘minister’. Modernists would use the word ‘deaconess' for Phoebe, but that would be a misapplication, and the distinction was never in the original Greek.
Junia was an apostle (Romans 16:7), yet many translators and scholars, unwilling to admit that there was a female apostle, have since the 13th century masculinized her name to Junias (the ‘-as’ ending also not a true masculine denotation, either).
The word shows that Paul was a strong advocate for women in ministry. The instances of women filling leadership roles in scripture needs to be considered a divinely approved pattern, and not as exceptions. God calls women and he equips women for their callings.
Phoebe, a church leader in the church at Cenchrae, was highly commended by Paul to the church at Rome (Romans 16:102). Unfortunately, the existing bias of modern English translators has in some ways obscured Phoebe’s position of leadership, calling her a ‘servant’ or ‘helper’ in the wrong sense of the word. The true sense of the word is as a helper in the sense of one who is in a higher position reaching down to help those in a lower position---the term was used to describe Caesar by historians also, so it was not used in the sense of how we view helpers today---as those who are subservient, helping those of higher position, like an employer, for example. Phoebe was ‘diakonos’ of the church at Cenchrae. Paul would use this term to denote a minister or leader of a congregation and applied it specifically to Jesus Christ, Tychicus, Epaphras, Timothy, and to his own ministry. Depending on the context, ‘diakonos’ is usually translated as ‘deacon’ or ‘minister’. Modernists would use the word ‘deaconess' for Phoebe, but that would be a misapplication, and the distinction was never in the original Greek.
Junia was an apostle (Romans 16:7), yet many translators and scholars, unwilling to admit that there was a female apostle, have since the 13th century masculinized her name to Junias (the ‘-as’ ending also not a true masculine denotation, either).
The word shows that Paul was a strong advocate for women in ministry. The instances of women filling leadership roles in scripture needs to be considered a divinely approved pattern, and not as exceptions. God calls women and he equips women for their callings.
I LOVE <3 the tea cup story its so cute and sweet ..and so relatable ^~^
I love it. It reminds me of mother Teresa ;
I remember reading.... how she got sick once and was out of her body and God said not yet ^~^
I love that story ,thank you <3
I love it. It reminds me of mother Teresa ;
I remember reading.... how she got sick once and was out of her body and God said not yet ^~^
I love that story ,thank you <3
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." 1tim2:12
Can someone help me understand this verse? and if someone is "spirit-led" would they be led into disobeying the word of God? I'm confused
No, God poured His spirit onto all flesh..including women, we're made in his image too. So his gifts from leasts to greatest can fall on us... disobedience would be God calling you to be a pastor or apostle and not doing it bc of what pll think, God is the giver of gifts and judges us on how we use it.
I had that same question, though I didn't ask it sarcastically. When I say God speaking to me it is through the holy spirit.
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He's just asking a question...
accidently replied to you pancakes.
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He sounds just like you. A much wiser version, but he speaks with the same language and accent you do.
I said something dumb and obvious to the Lord (one of the times) and he said ,"you think?"
Other times its very serious and scripture sounding.
CARM is wrong, of course, and influenced by the Greco-Roman cultural remnant that is still strong today.
The proof is in His own Word, God says. The 2000 years of church "doctrine" on this topic is in itself a worldly interpretation, furthering the Greco-Roman way of keeping women from knowing God fully and serving Him as God calls her. It is that past culture that continues to influence us and remains so pervasive even today. Jesus never spoke once against women, but rather called them out from their agonizing existence that they had been forced to live in. It was forbidden for certain Jewish men and rabbis to speak to a woman...yet He did it many times! It was forbidden to teach a woman...He did it many times! Jesus emboldened and freed women from that bondage into a new world of service to the Master! This work continued in the church as Paul also carried on that aspect of Jesus' ministry to women, teaching them and launching them out into ministry, serving God alongside men.
I say, once again, the proof is in the understanding of the Word of God by the Holy Spirit's power. I will continue to pray for you and others who are so blind to the truth. I feel so badly for men (and women) who have bought the lie, as they have played into the hand of the enemy, who seeks to destroy and hold back the the Kingdom of God through this type of division. Satan hates women and has been very successful in HALVING the workforce of God and thus delaying the coming of Christ. He also has had men unknowingly commit such a sin of pride. This is the subject of my prayer: that the Holy Spirit will open eyes to the Truth of His freedom. We are free people in Him. Praise Jesus my King, my Saviour, my Lord---my all in all! May peace be with you all.
I apologize if you were legitimately asking me. I had checked your profile beforehand and saw you considered yourself atheist and jumped to the conclusion that you were being condescending.
I know this is not a face to face conversation which makes it hard to know who I truly am, but I was 100% not trying to be prideful or chauvinistic when I posted the article. I might be wrong and am deeply sorry if I am, I have been praying to God to guide and give me insight in this and many other debatable topics. Thank you for your prayer, I see where you are coming from and if I get more insight on this subject I will try to remember to share it with you.
I never considered that you were prideful or chauvinistic, friend.
I was intensely seeking God's face concerning this very topic several years ago, having come from a wonderful denominational church (C&MA, founded by A.B. Simpson), that loved and appreciated women in ministry but always blocked them when it came to certain leadership roles. My mother was one of the first who actually did in the entire Canadian denomination, given the title "Assistant to the pastor" rather than assistant Pastor, which lessened the opposition. She was the very first female elected in her district's DEXCOM, the district executive committee for pastors and served as a pastoral counselor, and as counselor TO pastors. She pioneered the way so that now in that denomination, there are now ordained women in ministry. I became privy to much of the negative hoopla concerning her God-given appointments, which was very hurtful and divisive for some, so that when my husband and I and our children moved and became members of our local non-denominational church that the Lord led us to, which had 8 pastors, 4 of whom were women, I wanted to know for sure what God actually had to say to me about that, so that I would not be hindered in my walk or my attitude or my own service to God.
God led me to this wonderful book, called, "Why Not Women?" written by that wonderful man, Lauren Cunningham, the founder of YWAM, and David Joel Hamilton, a scholar with regard to languages. I studied it voraciously, and the Lord spoke to me through it that we---both men and women---have all been victims of the erroneous Greco-Roman cultural influence that continues even today. I no longer have an issue, and I thank the Lord for His leading to bring me understanding and freedom in this area.
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