I thought I heard God, But?

Discussion in 'Holy Spirit Baptism and Living' started by By Faith, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. I thought I heard God, But?

    What happens when you think you Heard God on something, acted out on it, and things just don't pan out? Lots of believers today are wondering if what they heard was God, or just themselves when things don't go as planed.

    Scripture says that who is led by the Spirit of God is the Son of God, and Jesus saying my sheep hear my voice. God is more than able to speak to us and get things across to us in a very clear many by the Holy Spirit.

    Now, Millions of believers are natural led, and they call that God. I am not going to get into that, but just because your business failed 5 times is no indication the Lord does not want you in business. People feel that circumstances are the Lord leading them and have no concept of being led by the Holy Spirit. Just because you got in your car drunk, hit a tree and ended up in the Hospital where you wittnessed to someone and got them saved, does not mean God had any plans for you to drink, crash, and end up in the hospital.

    What it does mean is God has mercy on Dumb people. Never be Natural led, NEVER. Just because a tornado wipes your house out is not God telling you to move to some other state. Millions of believers are out of God's will living their whole life by things that work and things that don't work. We need to hear and be led by the Holy Spirit, and ignore Natural circumstances.

    Now there is a thought, that if God speaks to someone, then it always happens. Not true. God can say something to us, but that does not always mean we won't add to it or subtract from it, or jump ahead and try to make things work on our own. Abraham is a good example of this, and had him a Ishmale when He should have just waited on the Issacc.

    Act 21:4 kjva And finding disciples, we tarried there seven days: who said to Paul through the Spirit, that he should not go up to Jerusalem.

    The Holy Spirit told Paul "DO NOT GO TO JERUSALEM"

    Paul is a Holy Spirit Led believer, taught us about the gifts, taught on How to be led by the Holy Spirit. Yet, Paul blows this one big time. If the Spirit of God tells you not to do something, then DON'T DO IT!

    Paul takes a ship, makes his way around some cities. He knows He has to go to Rome, but He just had to stop off in Jerusalem against what the Holy Spirit said. God gives Paul another chance to consider though. God is good that way when we don't turn the car around after being warned and continue heading toward the cliff.

    Act 21:11-14 kjva 11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles. 12 And when we heard these things, both we, and they of that place, besought him not to go up to Jerusalem. 13 Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine heart? for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus. 14 And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will of the Lord be done.

    Paul had a personal conviction about his own people who he wanted so bad to know the Lord Jesus. Being a Jew Himself, His heart was broken for his own Kinsmen whom he used to be one with them. (Rom 9:1-5)

    Now the Lord said, don't go to Jerusalem Paul. Not God's Plan Paul die there, not God's Plan Paul Go, Not God's plan Paul end up in Prison for as long as Paul did.

    We can't make our own plans, no matter how good they seem and just expect things to work out later. We see that in Marriages, and a whole lot of others "GOOD" projects people start that the Lord never said start. Paul is thinking that if I die there, at least I can get some of my own saved. Paul was not even factoring in that He was suppose to be in Rome later, as far as Paul was concerned it could all end in Jerusalem.

    I want you to notice something else. Paul is so misled and head strong about going to a place he is not suppose to go, that He is not hearing the Holy Spirit very well himself. God is sending other Spirit Filled believers to convince Paul not to go.

    When we think a thing should be one way, and only one way, then it's hard to hear God about something completly different and better way. You might have 20 college degrees in a certain area, and feel it's that area you need to work in, whent the Lord really wants you to do something that is not even related to your degree's. You can't even hear God on something else, because wasting all that time and money on degrees can't even seem like a option.

    In everything, we can't lean to our own understanding. In all our ways acknowledge the Lord. That means, we are open to anything, despite any training we had in something else. Many are out of the will of God today, following old foundations they built themselves from the past. Let it go, follow God.

    Paul went though a whole lot of suffering and wasted time by not obeying the Holy Spirit. Paul kind of knew Prison was coming because he mentioned it in Eph, but He did not have to go to prison. When in Prison Paul wrote some very important letters, so God still had Mercy and used Paul in the capacity, Paul could be used.

    Two people hear God to meet situation:
    Act 10:19-21 kjva 19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. 20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them. 21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

    Now you may hear God perfectly, but things sometimes don't work out when God is counting on someone else to hear and do their part. We see that the great Apostle Paul flat out ignored direction from the Holy Spirit, missed all the people he would have ran into obeying the Holy Spirit.

    God sent some men to go see Peter. Peter was told to meet them, God told the men to meet Peter. Everything worked out great, despite Peter Having issues with wanting to meet them, not wanting to eat any unclean thing. God had to fix that to get across the fact it was fine to meet with these men.

    Now listen, a whole lot of our final directions, come from going and doing other things first. God many times has to build us up, teach us, so we can hear Him on the final thing.

    So the Lord sent the men, and sent Peter to meet each other. What happens if the Men get off track and decide at the last moment not to meet Peter? If that happened, we suddenly don't get a chunk of Acts 11 Written.

    This happens a lot though. God will want to use someone to help you, and give that person seed, but the person ends up not obeying God. So you go, and they don't show up, or they don't do what God said to do. Just like Paul did.

    It does not mean you did not hear God. It just means the other parties are not obeying God and following through. God still has millions of other ways to help you, but God choose them to bless them.

    So, just because you think you heard God and stepped out, and things don't work, does not mean you did not hear God. God is moving and prompting other people also on your behalf, and they don't always listen.

    We never mention to anyone that is suppose to help, that they did not obey God. We keep quite. We don't pull on people, God is our source.

    On the other hand if you think you heard God and things don't continue to work out month after month, then you have to admit that it was not God at all but just your idea.

    There is a whole lot more to learn about these things. Stay encouraged, step out on things you believe are God, keep your conscience clear of all things.

    Be blessed.
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  2. At least one person read this. I believe if believers can get stronger at hearing God and understanding how, then they got it made. God knows so much more than we do.
  3. I want to encourage you to think again about what was going on with Paul's going back to Jerusalem....

    Did Paul KNOW what would happen to him?
    Yes, it was declared to him over and over....

    So, why did he do it?
    Acts 21:13 "then Paul answered ..."for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus"
    Acts 23:11 - "The Lord stood by him, and said, 'Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome"

    Paul had previously been specifically instructed that he MUST return to Jerusalem and suffer and be sent to Rome....

    So, while everybody else was telling him through the Holy Spirit what would happen to him if he went to Jerusalem - and they all assumed that this meant that he should NOT go and that he was just being bullheaded - Paul received this as a confirmation of the message that he had previously received - which is that he MUST go to Jerusalem and that all those things would happen to him.....

    I think this is instructive - that even though our friends may speak through the Holy Spirit - they may not receive the same full measure of guidance we have.... and what they assume is a warning to Stop may really be a confirmation to GO and vice versa.....

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  4. But... Back to the actual subject of your post....

    It's interesting that one of the MOST REPEATED phrases in the whole Old Testament is "Hear God".....
    I started to tally them up out of curiosity - and I got to over 50 in The Torah.... Just in the first 5 books of the bible - there are over 50 "Hear God" statements....

    The "First Command"... The one that was considered more important than anything else.."Hear O Israel"...... The phrase that is repeated over and over and over as a key condition of the entire Sinai Covenant - "Hear God this day".....

    We are to have our hearts ready every day to Hear God... Keep our hearts willing to HEAR GOD....

    What happens is that we blind ourselves... We puff ourselves up, think we know everything... We get all concerned with "Doctrine" and "Truth" and this and that - and what happens - our Ears are stopped up and our eyes are blinded.... and Seeing we do not see and hearing we do not hear.....
  5. I have examined this. Paul never said anyting about the Holy Spirit telling him to go to Jerusalam. He was told not to go. He was not suppose to spend any time in prison, but head to Rome. His Rome trip got delayed.

    paul was warned twice. The first time the Holy Spirit said 'DON'T Go'
    The 2nd time Paul was told what would happen if he went..

    Now the Holy Spirit is not telling folks one thing and have it written, and telling Paul something else.

    Having your mind made up to do something, often hinders us from hearing clearly. Paul said he was willing to die there, and that was not the plan either.

    So, your right, it's possible folks say God told them to tell you this, and you believe God said something different to you. Happens a lot in Christmatic circles where everyone has a word from God for you.

    Act 21:4 kjva And finding disciples, we tarried there seven days: who said to Paul through the Spirit, that he should not go up to Jerusalem.

    See, the Holy Spirit is not going to tell Paul one thing through someone and want something else. When Paul was captured and they were planing to kill him, the Lord shows up and tells him to be of good cheer. Your not in good cheer if you know you missed God and got yourself in a mess you should have never been involved in. If you know your in the plan of God, then your already full of cheer. Paul knew he got himself in a place He should not have been.

    Paul did write some of the NT in Prison, and as always God still helps us despite us missing it.

    If the Holy Spirit says don't go, you don't go. Now if this had not been recorded as scripture, then you and I have to be careful when someone has a thus saith the Lord. We are led by the Spirit of God, not the folks that think they hear God.

  6. I missed this post. One of the hardest areas to hear God in is those things we know how to do and are good at them. Knowledge puff's up. Lot's of times we go in thinking that we can handle it, and God can talk to us about the stuff we don't know.

    I am convinced that if believers would just learn to follow the peace in their heart, and Subject all things to the Lord, then lots of them would still be around today.

    Thank you for pointing that out. Hear God. It seems like it must be important to hear Him.
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  7. I appreciate this discussion. Knowing God's will in some things is easy when it is directly addressed in the scriptures but, as you note here, when it is a matter of determining His will in areas NOT directly referenced in scripture, then it is not so clear. When stepping out in ministry (like Paul), God had certain things for him to do and I agree that God's will was done even though Paul made it to Rome via Jerusalem. I wonder if the Lord allows us to "follow our heart" sometimes on where to live, what job to take etc. If we are 'abiding in the vine' then our desires should line up with God's word and will so that our very desires should indicate a leading shouldn't it? Of course if a fellow believer (or more than one) said they felt it was not a good plan or was not what the Lord wanted me to do, I would certainly have to make it a matter of prayer. Anyway, an interesting topic on something pertinent to every believer.
  8. In Paul's case, I would say Paul did correct, because Paul has to account for his own following of the Lord. I said I would say that. The person telling us about Paul, is actually the author of Acts, the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit, who told us about Paul, told Paul not to Go.

    Interested on Hearing better?

    Your Seemer:
    Act 15:28 kjva For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

    Who this "SEEM" good to? The Holy Ghost, and to them. You have a "Seemer" inside of you. They are being Spirit minded, so they pick up what also seems good to the Holy Ghost.

    When trying to pick between A and B we have to cultivate a life of not weighing natural things. Weighing things will make us miss God 50% or more of the time, and missing just one time can end horribly.

    What seems right? It's inside us, we just have to listen. It seems.......... it seems........... May cost more, may not look like the best deal, but we have learned not to be money led, or natural led, but Spirit led.

    Your Bader:
    Act 11:12 kjva And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:

    The Holy Spirit can bade us toward a direction. A gentle pull to go that way. It may not look in the natural the best way to Go, but once again we can practice not tallying up the points to see what choice wins out. we can instead check inside and notice what direction the (BADEING) is tugging us to.

    Your Peace in your heart:

    1Co 14:33 kjva For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    Gal 1:3 kjva Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Jas 3:17 kjva But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

    The number of believers that would be alive today if they would not have violated the lack of peace in their heart before doing something.

    Everything from God will leave us at peace, with no fear or doubting what God told us.

    A family of 4 Good church going believers died on a ice covered road from our church way back. It bothered me, and I said, "Lord how can that be?" The Lord said, "I told him over and over, stay, He even said we should not go, the Roads are icy, but if we don't leave now, we miss the family get together.

    That was what the Lord said to me, the husband in charge told everyone they should not go, but they have a place to be. He did not have peace about leaving during the ice storm.

    We can cultivate a life of checking in with God before doing anything, even going to the store. Expect to hear God, get direction, get that small left or right in our heart and follow it.

    BTW (By the Way)

    Our desires when it comes to new things don't line up with the Lord. Often times it rubs our flesh the wrong way. The more Word, the more quick we are to respond when we think it's the Lord, the more we practice no looking at what is naturally best, but what we get inside, the more easy it is to hear God on strange and far out things we never considered.

    It will start with just a thought........... Move there.

    We got a great Job, why move?

    Next week, you should move there.

    Never thought to move there, it's 1,200 miles away.

    Next week. I wonder what it would be like to live there.

    The faster we are to say, Lord, was that you? I'll go where you want me to go, I'll pack up right now, make it clear to me.

    Most believers never get to that point, and miss all the Lord had for them in this life.

    If your really insterested in more.............. then.


    The forums is a horrible place to try to teach anything. If you want to really learn about Hearing the Holy Spirit at your pace, then check out the link. It's free with no sign up and they sell nothing. IN fact you can call and they will send you the CD for free, postage paid.

  9. I will check out that link. Always wanting to follow after the Lord and live in a way that honors and gives the glory to Him. Its been that sometimes I felt very clear direction in daily choices, and even more life changing choices. Other times I have felt like either of several directions would be good. I have thought in those times that the Lord is guiding me by directing my thoughts and desires. For instance in selling a house and moving to another area. In which case I did feel at peace with the decision. I suppose the Lord does not give us all the exact directions ahead of time because we are supposed to 'lean' on Him for the Holy Spirit to guide.
  10. Yep, God has a habbit of just showing us the direction, and we have to walk the rest by faith. Then He shows us a little more. No point in giving believers direction if God can't even get them to be faithful in the things they are suppose to be doing. Faithful in a little, more shall be given. One reason folks get frustrated as they can't hear God but had they just obeyed years back then they could follow along the path.

    A few Years Ago:

    I was preaching a Sunday Night service at this Church and the Keyboardist was just awesome with his band. It was at the end and He just got down playing worship music and folks was about to leave when It just came to me about a airplane.

    So, I talking with this keyboardist, and made a joke about being in Africa in his Jungle painted plane or something. We all laughed and that was the end of that.

    I got home, and was getting ready for bed when the Lord spoke to me. Not a voice, but inside. He said, "When you mentioned that plane, I was not Joking, but he shall give an account of not having it to me."

    Now, I was a bit confused and said, "how's that Lord."

    The Lord spoke, not in my ears but inside and said, "He picked a house over all I had for him."

    So, that next week I went and talked to the head Pastor of the Church and asked about that keyboardist. Come to find out, years back he bought a brand new house in IL. The Had sent him to Atlanta at that time and put it on someone's heart to record his Worship music and do a full Album fronting for free all the money to get it started.

    The only deal was is that He had to move to Atlanta to do all this guy needed him to do. The guy was a Christain producer and the Lord told him to help him and cost is no issue.

    The Keyboardist had just bought his house and told him He could not move to Atlanta. He knew he was suppose to, but figured He could pay of his house some then make trips to Atlanta.

    That never happened.

    So, the Keyboardist felt his worship music would be good enough and tried to get it sponsered somewhere else but nobody would listen.

    years forward.............. The guy now is playing in bars to make enough to live on and His wife died a early death. he stopped playing worship music. That is the last I heard about him.
  11. One thing I have run into.... When I think I know something about what God wants - I ask earnestly "If this is what you really want, open the door. If not - close the door."

    If it really is - the door won't close... If it's not - the door will slam shut in your face and there's nothing you can do to get it open...

    This especially includes things that require resources.... If it is God's - all of a sudden - the resources will appear as out of nowhere... If not - even the resources you have that would have covered it will just "Evaporate" in front of you...

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  12. Whenever you think you heard God, just match what you heard to the Scripture. If they do not match, then that was not God.
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  13. This is right. Many ministers start off projects that seem good and scriptural, put a bunch of money and things into it. They never even consider making sure it's the right thing to do and God's plan for that paticular church body. Nobody is interested in helping, the money is always tight, they struggle month to month to keep the project going.
    Worse, they sometimes blame the devil and want to push through something God is never involved in. More months of frutration trying to get something to work.


    This is an area that I have had to hear the most. Just because in the natural there looks like there is no way, does not mean it's so.
    If God said go do this and work there, and you get turned down 10 times, it does not mean God still is not going to get you in there. Faith never gives up. Once you know you heard God, Faith moves and keeps trying.

    Abraham had to wait how long?? He got impatient and made a Ishmale. Some things the door just does not open right away.
    Some things don't happen until we step out by faith. The river split to cross the other said when they put their foot in the water. Up to that point there was a river in the way.

    We don't want to force doors open either that are not there. This area has been tough for me, because I walk by faith and don't give up. Sometimes as I struggle up the river in something I think was God, I come to the conclusion months later that it was not God and I wasted a whole bunch of time, money, and energy.

    God gives the power to get wealth, and adds no sorrow to it.

    The Word sorrow in Hebrew means to toil long and hard. If it's God, things are smooth and easy. This scripture has helped me see the difference in some things.

    100K a week in free stuff all over the globe.
    God told my Pastor Keith Moore to give away free all CD and DVD teaching Material. He studied under Brother Hagin for 20 years and when we started that in 2005 My Pastor said we are not going to struggle with this. If the money runs out, we just wait on the Lord.

    Since we started that in 2005, Not one time have we had to stop, the money has always been there and at 14,000 a month just or bandwidth and server rooms, plus the money to produce the material and equipment, God has made sure the money has always been there.

    Now we built a warehouse size facility to mass produce these in the millions to give out for free.

    When it's God, it's easy, and there is nothing to big for God.

    You think God told you to learn to fly and get an airplane. You have ZERO money to even get started. You look in the bible and can't find the Word Airplane anywhere. You think God told you this, what is your next step then?
  14. What I meant is that if you thought you heard God say something like "kill everyone in your family" then it most likely was not God.
  15. It's interesting that one of the models for "Hearing God" is Isaiah 58.... The irony is that trying to use God to "Get your own way" is the OPPOSITE of hearing God...
  16. I'm just saying that God would never go against his own rules.
  17. I am of the opinion that people who claim to have "heard" from God are merely offering post hoc justification for their deeds.
    We are instilled with Divine Reason so that we may deliberate well toward living prudent and ethical lives.
    I "hear" from God in the aesthetic and in the Good; not in voices of definitive direction and commands, our reason exists for that purpose.
  18. I hear God all the time. It is a matter if I want to listen to Him or not, and when I do listen I don't get into trouble. Then if I say " I got this Lord" I pay the consequences. It's that tiny little voice in your heart that speaks truth, the other guy is a loud mouth and tries to drown out that gentile little voice in your heart. But that gentile little voice is still louder than all that yelling that we hear so often. So if you be quiet for a bit and listen to that gentile little voice you can not go wrong and it is what we NEED to hear. The other loud mouth is what we WANT to hear. So it is what you CHOOSE what you want to hear. I like quiet :)
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  19. I am hoping that even those that don't hear God might know that is not a good idea. Satan is much more sly than that though. He can quote scripture and get believers out of the plan of God real fast.

    All things must line up with scripture, but not everything that is scriptural is God for us.

    Kenneth Hagain thought it be nice if He started a prayer phone line where folks could call in for prayer. Sounded scriptural and a good idea. The Money situation started to go down hill though and He found out months later after seeking the Lord that the Lord never told him to start such a project.

    A Pastor I worked with spent all kinds of money to start a christain drug program. I went with him to other programs and we checked out their success and what they did. Got tons of ideas and things that worked. It never set in my spirit right though.

    Months later, after getting it all set up, nobody came, and no other agency would work with him. The other programs had lots of folks working with them from state and local drug rehabs.

    I went to ask him one day after seeing him just come unglued........ I said, "Did God ever tell you to start a drug program?"

    He said, I know it's the right thing to do and on my heart to do it........

    I asked again......... "Did God, ever tell you to start a drug program?"

    He said, "We are suppose to follow our heart, It's something I always wanted to do."

    I asked again........... DID............ GOD........... Tell........ YOU.... TO.... START........... A........... DRUG.... PROGRAM?

    He thought for a bit, and said, "No, I never heard God say exactly start a drug program."

    I said, "well there is the answer to all that money you wasted and frustration."

    Most often, if you read through scriptures like Naaham who wanted to wash in a different river or just have the man of God pray for his healing. God a lot of times sends us on directions we would have never thought of, or even want to do.

    When something sounds good to me and scripture and something I would like to do.................... It's those things that you need to spend lots of prayer in.

    The easy things are things I would never want to do. I hear God clearest there as I know it can't be the devil, and it sure would not be me.

    One time God asked me to work in a country bar. I am a Christain, it's a bar, but worse of all, it's a country bar. I hate country music, can't stand it and it plays constantly at that bar.

    I knew that was God as the devil sure does not want anointed believers in some bar he has control of. They hired me right away, got 3 born again, some more direction and God used me daily there. It was amazing despite a lot of crazy stuff that went on there.

    One person I was sent there for, their grandma had been praying for years for him. It's just like God to answer prayer and send the workers.
    I just wish it was not country music. It took grace to endure that.

    I would suggest getting filled with the Holy Spirit......... His sheep HEAR His Voice and your suppose to be led by the Spirit of God. That is clear and difinitive Direction.

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