Discussion in 'New Members Welcome' started by mattjanes, Jun 6, 2014.

  1. I don't agree with you @Huntingteckel about hell but I don't feel this is going to affect your salvation. It saddens me that you may feel God is this cruel being who is just out to torture us. The eternal damnation and suffering is our doing not Gods. I had a friend who felt the same way as you, the difference is she is a Witch. She felt that if God allowed all this evil in the world and also tortured souls for eternity then she would rather die not worshipping Him. This is pride that is talking and is of the evil one. I did research last night on the subject of annihilation theory and I still don't agree with it. Our spirit is eternal it is that simple. The spirit has two places they can go and it lives on in one of those places.
  2. He doesn't think God is cruel as he doesn't believe in eternal torture. But if eternal torture was true I would call that cruel.
  3. So the spirit only lives for eternity in Heaven?
  4. God isn't going to "keep" someone alive to torment them. He created us as spirit beings who have souls and who live in bodies. Spirits are immortal. Hellfire is not meant for humanity, but for the devil and his angels. It is a place for eternal languishing away from the presence of God, from all light. God created hellfire not only as a place of punishment, but for the confinement of evil away from the rest of His universe forever.

    Jude 1:12-13
    Apostates Depraved and Doomed
    These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; 13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
  5. [QUOTE=".... but if I knew my punishment was temporary I probably would be just a Sunday Christian. :)[/QUOTE]

    I also believe that the soul will be punished for a time, and then be destroyed. To say that this is a temporary punishment isn't quite accurate. When a prisoner receives the death penalty, it is not a temporary punishment.
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  7. Actually, it isn't cruel. It is JUST.
  8. I believe this to be true. All throughout scripture, Jesus only promises his followers one thing: Eternal life.
  9. Prove your belief by scripture.
  10. Here you go:

    Jesus says to fear the one who can destroy the soul. When that same word (destroy) is used elsewhere, it means to no longer exist.

    God speaks of the eternal punishment. Now, most people read that as you will be punished for eternity. However, it can also mean just what it says, that the punishment is eternal. Meaning, the punishment never changes. It's the same punishment since the beginning of time and everyone who is not accepted into heaven will be subjected to the same punishment. So, it's the punishment that is eternal, not the soul.

    Jesus tells a parable in Luke 12where the slave knew his master's will and knowingly disobeyed. This slave received many lashes. The slave that did not know his master's will and disobeyed received few lashes. If everyone is cast into the same hell, how can there be "many" or "few" lashes?

    Lastly, Jesus really only promises His followers one thing: eternal life. It seems like an empty promise if you have an eternal soul living in hell. I don't believe the creator of the universe would promise you something that you already have.
  11. God doesn't consider eternal punishment to be LIFE. It is eternal damnation, death, dying. The horror of it is that men will wish they could die but they won't be able to---they are spirit.
  12. Can you prove this statement with scripture?
  13. A destroyed soul is not the same as spirit. The soul of man is his mind, will, emotions---his personality. Hell will certainly destroy the soul, but not the spirit.

    As for "many" and "few", Jesus is telling us that there are degrees of punishment in hell.
  14. Place it against all scripture and it stands.
  15. "How is anything he said remotely resembling an unpardonable sin?"

    First what he is saying is not Scriptural, Jesus Himself taught that the torment would be eternal,

    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Mat 25:46

    The words everlasting and eternal are the same word aiò„nios, ahee-o'-nee-os, look it up in Strong's dictionary, so if everlasting punishment is limited then so is life Eternal, that what you are hoping for?

    Second it's more of what he is not saying, go back and read through his posts, never mentions the name of Jesus, never says Jesus in Lord (and that can only be done by the Holy Spirit living inside of us), so in rejecting the written Word he is close to rejecting the living Word John 1:14, I'm not saying this caustically, but am truly concerned for his soul. Maybe he is born again and the enemy of our souls has him majoring in the minors or maybe he is not, I won't take the chance and gamble with one precious soul that Jesus died for!

    In His Love,

  16. Either a spirit is eternal or not.

    Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    It states here they are tormented day and night forever and ever

    Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

    Death and Hades suffers the same fate. Tormented day and night forever and ever

    Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    Same fate for this group as well.

  17. Thank you, thank you , thank you, I'm so blind I have the screen magnified and I don't scroll over to the right to see it, ...foolish old man.

  18. I know you don't agree with me. That's alright. I'm not trying to convert anyone to my beliefs with the exception of Matt.
    What exactly are you asking? I believe in a physical resurrection for judgement.
    So God doesn't wake us up every day? If He left us to ourselves would we continue living? No. God's will keeps us alive. Without Him there is no life.
  19. Let me ask you something. If we have two parts that appear to contradict each other in Scripture, and one view only has a few verses, wouldn't it make sense that the side with only a few verses are being interpreted incorrectly?
  20. lol. You're fine, Gene. I just almost missed that you were quoting me and I wanted to be able to respond if you directed any question at me.

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