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How to quench hate towards God?

Discussion in 'Holy Spirit Baptism and Living' started by God_be_with_you, May 22, 2016.

  1. For years, I've been trying to live a Godly life. I regularly read my Bible, pray for help, resist sin, do good things for those in need, and fellowship with believers. My one big problem is that I just cannot stand God the Father. Sometimes I don't think hate would be too strong a word for my emotions.

    I'm desperate to overcome this problem, but I'm not sure what to do that I haven't already been doing. I know that the Bible says that God (the Father) loves us and cares for our needs, but I haven't felt very well cared for throughout my life. I've never had the peace or joy that the Bible promises, and I cannot love people or God, despite my best attempts.

    I know that having a good relationship with God (Father) depends upon believing in His love for us. But how can I make myself believe that God (Father) is good, now that I believe that He is not good? I've run out of ideas on how to fix this problem, and I've been praying for years with no luck...

    Please be kind with your responses. I'm not a big fan of trolls or griefers. =)
     
  2. I'm not sure what a troll or a griefer is but I'll give you the response I believe you need. I'm sensing that most of what you have is an intellectual understanding of God and not a heart-felt relationship. You're wrestling with thoughts that are contrary to the word of God and you believe them over the truth of the word of God. You admit you've "run out of ideas" but the root of the matter is believing the word of God over what you believe intellectually.

    Romans 14:5 (KJV)
    One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. ​

    You're not persuaded God is good despite what the word of God says. Don't fret, this wrestling has been around since Job, the oldest book of the bible some say. Why is it such a battle? Because even Job thought the same thing:

    Job 1:21 (KJV)
    And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD. ​

    So here it is written into the word of God. But is it true? No it's not true (the bold). That's what Job believes and every other human being in the world. Yet, if you read through to the end, Job repents of this wrong thinking.

    Job 42:5-6 (KJV)
    I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Wherefore I abhor [myself], and repent in dust and ashes. ​

    See, Job had an intellectual relationship with God. Job had to learn the truth first. God told Job:

    Job 40:7-8 (KJV)
    Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

    Everyone, including me, thinks Job's way. I really believe it's part of the sin nature. After all, Adam and Eve didn't believe God either.

    So, you need to become fully persuaded about Who God is and who you are. If you look at all the judgements that has fallen on man, even Job, it's because of sin, not an evil God.
     
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  3. Hello @God_be_with_you,

    May I ask when, and how, you come to know the Lord Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son, as your Saviour and Lord?

    Please do not be offended by me.
    In Christ Jesus
    Our risen and glorified
    Saviour, Lord and Head.

    Chris
     
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  4. Thanks for your reply! You are right; my intellectual observations about God is overriding what the Bible says about God. So how do I actually make the heart change? How do I convince myself that God is good when all of my logic and reason tells me that He's really not? I thought that prayer would help, but it's been so long, I feel like those prayers are being ignored.

    P.S. A troll is a type of cyberbully who enjoys arguing or insulting to create strife online. I technically misused the term "griefer", which usually refers more to a gamer who cyberbullies through poor sportsmanship during online gaming. Everyone who frequents forums have crossed paths with a troll at one time or another. Sometimes you'll see people say "don't feed the troll", meaning not to throw fuel on the fire that the cyberbully is basking in.
     
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  5. G'day there.
    The only one/s that can not stand God is/are the demonic spirits..Satan and associates.
    How sure are you that you are not being oppressed/ tormented by an unclean spirit?
    I am not saying, nor do I believe that you are possessed by one, just maybe plagued be one.

    1Pet 5:8. Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

    I don't understand..
    If you believe God is not good, then why are you beating yourself over it?
    If you want to believe that God is good, what is it you have against Him that is getting in the way?
    Consider...
    Rom 3:4. By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written, "That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged."

    Yes, God is judged, but He will be vindicated at every point.
    But read on..
     
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  6. Thanks for the definitions. So Paul says we are to reprogram our minds, Rom 12:2. So HOW exactly? The word of God actually. First, in your case because you said you hate God, you need to identify why that is. As David said:

    Psalms 51:10 (KJV)
    Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.​

    The word create is the same word in Genesis 1:1 as it is only God who can create something from nothing. We need a new heart, something only God can do. What God will do is put in the desire to change your heart - aka repent. But to do that you have to take the old way of thinking and exchange it for God's thinking.

    Ephesians 4:22-32 (KJV)
    That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. ​

    Colossians 3:8-17 (KJV)
    But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also [do] ye. And above all these things [put on] charity, which is the bond of perfectness. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. ​

    Put off the old man. Put on Jesus. How do you do that?

    2 Corinthians 10:4-5 (KJV)
    (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; ​

    The war you experience we all do just as Paul and we come to the same conclusion, just as you have:

    Romans 7:24 (KJV)
    O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? ​

    I praise the Lord God Almighty that chapter 7 didn't end there, but He gave us the answer!

    Romans 7:25 (KJV)
    I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. ​

    So the choice is ultimately yours: do you believe the word of God or your own reasoning and experiences?
     
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  7. I came to know the Lord when I was very young, as soon as I was old enough to comprehend it. I was a dedicated Christian through my childhood and teenage years. When I first entered my 20's, the questions, doubts, and lack of experience with the arguments of the world caused my faith to fail. I simply was unable to believe that a benevolent God could exist at that point. I was an atheist for several years, but after sorting through the possibilities, I realized that there must be a God, and that Christianity was the most likely belief system to be true, out of all of the ones that I was aware of. I accepted Jesus as my savior for the second time a few years ago.

    I've been on a quest for answers my whole life. I have seen virtual proof that there is a creator, and virtual proof that Jesus is the messiah. But I have not seen proof that God (the Father) is good. In fact, the harder I try to find evidence of His goodness, the more I become convinced that He is good only by His own definition. I hate to say and feel such blasphemous things, but I'm just not sure what to do with the problem at this point. I've been praying about this daily for years, and I've even tried periods of fasting to gain greater insight.

    When I was a child, my parents frequently misused scripture to manipulate me, and as I have gotten older I have realized that there are hundreds of lies for every truth. To protect myself from this, I have become very logical by nature, and have resolved not to believe anything unless there is substantial evidence to support it. Herein lies my problem. I can't believe that God (the Father) is good simply because the Bible says so. I must have evidence that He is good and benevolent. If I take the Bible at it's word, I am opening myself up to possible deception, especially when I see evidence to the contrary.

    Could God have created a world where sin, pain, and death could never exist, and still give us free will?
    1.) To say yes is to admit that He has made us to suffer needlessly
    2.) To say no is to admit that God is limited.

    The Bible says that God can do all things that are within His nature.

    When questioned by people, God declines to give them a straight answer, and comments that they are in no position to demand Him to do anything, and states that His ways and thoughts are higher than theirs.

    When Jesus gives the parable of the servants who were given the talents, the irresponsible servant accuses the master of being a harsh master. The master in the parable does not deny that he has been harsh, and instead tells the servant that he should have invested his talent anyways.

    Given all of this, it is really hard for me to see a likely angle from which God is kind and benevolent to us...
     
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  8. Hello @God_be_with_you,

    I praise God for your honest and direct response. Thank you for responding so candidly.

    The only verse which comes to my mind is Romans 5:8.

    ' God commendeth His love towards us,
    In that while we were yet sinners,
    Christ died for us'

    You have been ready to give answer for the hope that is within you, (1Peter 3:15), and in doing so clarified your position, for further responses.

    May God's perfect will be done both in and through you, for His Name and glory's sake.

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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  9. Well, here's one benevolent thing: He's not killed you for questioning Him! How many human dictators have killed people for saying they hate them? God has given us all several wonderful gifts and one of the them is free will - your choice to choose life or choose death. The word of God is perfect as He is perfect. What's messed up are the translations and those that interpret even that which was translated. Pray before reading the word of God for understanding and wisdom. Use all the English translations and when you're still not satisfied with them, go to the originals with a good dictionary and read for your self. Don't listen to what others say about the word of God, listen to God Himself. He is the only One that can unlock it for you. Nothing any man can say about His word can be understand though the words be of understanding. Do your own homework. That's what I do.
     
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  10. Brother, God did create a world without sin, death and pain in the beginning. Adam and Eve were given a free will choice to choose what they would do within the world God had placed them. The Lord God simply told them they could eat from any of the trees within that world except for one, because that one tree would "kill" them if they ate from it. Could God have created a world were everyone would be forced to worship him, and do his will without ever having a choice to do so? How would you feel if your wife loved you without having a choice to love you. How would that make you feel? Creating a being without that choice would be just like a "machine" doing it's intended purpose without feelings. The Lord God is mercy full and he lets all of his created beings (including angels) to choose to love him of their own free will choice. Man suffers because does things that are against the laws of God, which is why we have them so we know what NOT to do. The laws of God are for our safety not harm.
     
  11. @God_be_with_you
    Hello brother,
    Just thought I would check in so to speak and find out how things are going.

    Don't be a stranger around here and let's see this turned around.
    Remember what seems impossible with men is possible with God.
    You just need the Love of God in you and that's not hard to do.

    Blessings
    FCJ
     
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  12. Hey there! Thanks for checking up on me! I'm still not doing too well in this area. There's still a lot of anger and bitter resentment towards God on my part. I still pray quite frequently. I ask God to change my heart, and ask for forgiveness for my sins. I've spoken to pastors and other believers about it. I even emailed Arthur Blessitt in hopes of getting a good answer about loving God. Sometimes I read my Bible and fellowship with other believers, although it usually fuels my wrath rather than draw me closer to God.

    At this point, I try to love God and my fellow man as much as possible. I suppose that even if I am failing, the effort has to count for something....

    How have you been?
     
  13. Blessings my friend,
    Listen I will write a little bit later today about how I got through this and so forth. I want to be able to sit down and focus on what I am saying and I just can't do that at the moment But I wanted you to know I got this and Will Respond later Today.

    Just so you know this is temporary and not only subject to change but will Change and You are coming out of this better then you can even think.

    Hang in there for the peace and love of God is setting you free.
    God Bless my friend and check back later. Might be late night for you.
    FCJ
     
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  14. @God_be_with_you
    PM sent.
    Nothing is impossible with God
    So let's see this through.
    Blessings
    FCJ
     
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  15. Just wanted you to know that a lot of prayer is going up to the heavenly's especially for you. God loves you and has sent you someone to help you get your questions answered. So keep seeking the truth, and asking God to reveal the truth to you....and the Holy Spirit will answer you if you come with a willing heart to hear and accept the truth.

    Sometimes our beliefs have to be erased, and replaced with the truth of God's Word. That's what God had to do with me. And if He can do that with me, He can help you too :)

    Blessings of grace and peace be yours in abundance


    For I know the thoughts and plans that I have for you, says the Lord, thoughts and plans for welfare and peace and not for evil, to give you hope in your final outcome. Then you will call upon Me, and you will come and pray to Me, and I will hear and heed you. Then you will seek Me, inquire for, and require Me [as a vital necessity] and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. [Deut. 4:29-30.]
    Jeremiah 29:11‭-‬13 AMP
    http://bible.com/8/jer.29.11-13.AMP
     
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  16. Can I ask why you don't feel as if you have not been well taken care of by God?

    This is something that we as believers have to renew our minds to with the Word of God. The nature that we had before we received Jesus as Savior desires to be selfish, and judgemental of others. It really is all about what it desires and not about God. But once saved we have to change the way we think by reading and believing by faith what the Word says. When we get the word into our minds in abundance it begins to conform us to it. This works on the other side of things as well...for example, someone who plays shooting video games all the time, after a long period of time can easily go out into the real world.and "play" shoot em ups, without blinking an eye. Because they have conditioned their brain to behave.that way. They have renewed their minds with violence and killing and it has conformed their behavior to it. They may not even realize that what they are doing is real, they might even think they are still playing that video game.

    Having the peace of mind the Bible (Jesus) talks about is really up to us. Unfortunately a lot of preachers don't realize that they should be teaching their congregations about the battle of the mind. And believe me it really is a battle! :) It seems every day or almost every day I have to take thoughts captive, and make them obedient to Christ. And then cast them down. And the more I do it, the more peace I have, because I choose to rest in His Word.

    This also goes with renewing your mind to God's goodness. It's allowing yourself to see all the good things God has done for you, and for others in the Bible. And getting your mind to receive the truth of God's goodness, to focus your attention on the fact that Jesus and God are the same, and everything Jesus did in the new testament was because that was the Father's will (John 14:10). Think about it this way.....if someone who is really close to you was robbed and beat severely, would you think the judge prosecuting the case was a good judge if he allowed the perpetrator to go free because of his good deeds?

    To be honest it's not your heart (inner man) that needs to be changed...for God gave you a new spirit (heart) when you accepted Jesus. This is the part of you that pushes you to keep praying and seeking God. It's not allowing you to stay in this place of anger towards God. The Holy Spirit that lives inside of you is very jealous, and He longs for you to be connected with The Father through Him (James 4:5). This is very much the grace of the Father within you. Philippians 2:13 says that it is God who works within you giving you the desire and power to do what pleases Him (nlt). So in all honesty it is God's grace surrounding you. The one that you are having difficulty with is the one Whom is wooing you and surrounding you with His grace, so that you can get to the end of your logical thinking, and to the beginning of a life long faith journey.
    Getting yourself to believe in God's goodness still goes back to renewing your mind with the word of God, in regards to His goodness, and then choosing to believe that over what your logic is saying. It's something you have to choose. Something that you have to do everyday. Fighting the good fight of faith. It's part of the battle of the mind, and something that the devil does not want you to be free from, because he knows if you get free...then you will be doing great things for God, and God will use you in mighty ways.

    This is the biggest part of your problem. This lie of the devil has become your foundation to your beliefs. You have to make the choice to believe God's Word over everything else, making it final authority in your life. You have to forgive your parents and let go of everything they did. And realize that, their actions was not God's perfect choice for you, but they did the best they could with what knowledge they had. People (especially parents) only want the best for their children, but as my children could tell you...and I even admit...I made a lot of mistakes because of my own shortcomings.

    God did create a world where sin and death were not present. However He gave the dominion of this world to man. Meaning He put the authority and dominion of the things of this world into Adams hands. Adam, when he chose to disobey God's instructions, gave this world over to the devil, and thus is the reason for the sin, death and destruction in this world. When Jesus conquered death, he'll and the grave....He took back dominion over this world and then turned it right back over to us. So in all reality, it's our fault that things are the way they are in this world, because God put those things into our hands...it's our responsibility. A lot of people blame God for things that He has nothing to do with. In order for Him to have authority in this earth, He has to have a physical body. So He has to do this through you and me or whomever is a yielded vessel.

    I'm going to keep going through your posts and answer your questions as the Lord leads. But for now I'll sign off and let fcj have a turn...:)

    God bless you!
     
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  17. 1. How can we hate God? a. He made us and b. He died for us. He didn't have to do either. As a result, nobody in their right state of mind can hate God. We can only be highly frustrated with Him. I have been highly highly highly frustrated with Him as have you, clearly :). Let's just be clear on that. It is apples and oranges.

    2. The peace and joy that God promises surpasses all understanding Phil 4:7. Stephen was filled with the Holy Spirit....when he was being stoned to death. Imho only Matt 6:26 applies as a rule. The reality is that God has only got this time now, on earth to test us. The life many Christians want now, we will have in heaven for ...all....eternity. Tests can be anything. A test is good for us and God. Take Job as an example. He went through hell. I tell God daily that I cannot do the same. So God sends me through lessor hell. But think about how Job will forever be known as the person who endured the hell he endured and remained faithful to God through it all. God will always trust him... more then you or I.We will likely report to him in heaven. How else does one grow closer to God? Is it possible to grow closer to your wife if everything is perfect? How much closer will we be to the spouse that sticks with us through thick and thin? Imho A Christian in suffering is evidence of God trusting / expecting more of us. It is very easy for Him to print paper money and do what not carnal miracle. But for God to cause someone to love Him = impossible. So He tests our dedication. He does not break us. He knows we have met the minimum requirement with our acceptance of Him and mutual hatred for what is evil. But He does want more. This is His only time that he will have us in this carnal setting with the devil and evil all around us.

    3. We have a hatred for what is evil in common with God Rom 12:9. A feeling of love or a verbal confession is mostly meaningless. We give thanks because God is good Psalm 136:1. I believe you need to think more on your statement that God is not good. What is it based on? I have spent much of my time discussing this with atheists. I can assure you that there is no evidence of God being evil.
     
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  18. I think I found your issue ..lack of experience. Gor wants us to experience Him, him coming through for us...us knowing him as a provider and our peace and you know the rest :)

    If I never had an experience with God...itd be hard for me to believe to... I think what you need to do is just be sincere in your approach and seek Gods face and do not give up! ( trust me! I'm doing the same lol, what ever I'm saying to you ..im saying to myself as well..bc I definitely have not arrived )

    Also you need his holy spirit, the holy spirit gives us power, revelation and helps us to receive and be receptive to the things of God
     
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  19. Why are you so mad at God? I ask this sincerly, I've been mad at God too...so I understand
    ...and hope I can be of some type of help.
     

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