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"How to preach so as to convert nobody"

Discussion in 'Doctrinal Discussions' started by geralduk, Jan 19, 2016.

  1. 1; Let your supreme motive be popularity rather than salvation.
    2: Study to please your congregation and to make a reputation rather than to please God.
    3: take up popular ,passing and sensational themes to draw in the crowd , and avoid the essential doctrines of salvation.
    4: Denounce sin in the abstract ,but pass lightly over the sins that prevail in your congregation.
    5: If asked " is it wrong to dance, play cards and attend the theatre?" answer very pleasantly " Oh that is the matter for private judgement .It is not for me to say you shall or shall not."
    6: Preach on the loveliness of virtue and the glory of heaven ,but not on the sinfulness of sin and the terrors of hell.
    7: Reprove sin of the absent ,but make those who are present pleased with themselves , so that they will enjoy the sermon and not go away felling hurt.
    8: Make the impression on worldly church members that God is too good to send you to hell ,even if there is any hell.
    9: Preach the universal Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man , so as to show that no second birth is really needed .
    10: Do not rebuke the worldliness of the church ,but fall in with the amusement policy .Instead of meeting for prayer ,let the people "sit down to eat drink and rise up and play"
    11: Avoid seriousness , alarm and earnest effort to pull sinners out fo the fire, and avoid the old fashioned idea that the church is a rescue mission.

    C G Finney
     
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  2. Very blunt and to the point, shining a light on on the flaws of the church brought about by the greed of man.

    Good post.
     
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  3. 'For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:
    not with wisdom of words,
    lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

    For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness;
    but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.


    For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
    and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
    Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world?
    hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

    For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God,
    it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

    For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
    But we preach Christ crucified,
    unto the Jews a stumbling-block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
    But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks,

    Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

    Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
    For ye see your calling, brethren,
    how that not many wise men after the flesh,
    not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

    But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
    and God hath chosen the weak things of the world
    to confound the things which are mighty;
    And base things of the world,
    and things which are despised, hath God chosen,
    yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
    That no flesh should glory in His presence.

    But of him are ye in Christ Jesus,
    Who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
    That, according as it is written,

    'He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'
    1 Cor. 1:17-31
     
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  4. There are several much simpler ways to preach so as to convert no one that is used all over the church today.....

    1. Fail to recognize that there are 168 hours in a week and the average Church service only occupies 1 hour or 0.6% of that time.

    2. Expend 100% your effort during that single 0.6% of the week seeking to save the lost in a place where unbelievers account for less than 5% of the attendance (in church......)

    3. When you aren't attempting to convert the saints yet again -spend the remaining time throwing rocks at everyone different from us. Guilt tripping the congregation about not doing things you didn't equip them to do is a fine option as well.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    You don't have to do anything particularly creative.... There are many methods and many techniques..... Some are "conservative" some are "liberal". Some are showy and some are traditional. They all generate the same general outcome.

    Somehow managing to be captivating but consistently not equipping the saints.

    Thanks
    John
     
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  5. All true but we have to remember that it is the goodness of God that leads to repentance! If we preach all hell and no Heaven or the other way around we would have to emphasize certain attributes of God at the expense of others. That being the case, wouldn't we end up presenting a caricature of God?
     
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  6. All sides of God must be presented.
     
  7. Absolutely agreed but one must not be exclusive of the others.
     
  8. Yep!
     
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  9. (I Tesa 2:3-4) For our exhortation did not come from error or uncleanness, nor was it in deceit. But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts.
    (Gal 1:10) For k do I now l persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

    (Rom 1:16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

    (Deut 12:32) "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; g you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

    (Jn 3:3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
     
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  10. The trouble is no one preaches teaches on hell or judgement or of the "wrath to come" and even in these forums there 'debate' so called that in the end will deny the teaching of hell.
    What is preached is a God that says I will honour them that honour me .But will not speak of God who says they who do not are not.
    Men will preach john 3:16 but not the consequences if you do not .
    Men will avoid like the plague the judgments of God in the Old testament even though God says he si the same yesterday today and forever .
    The church will even deny and does the call of God to repent and says it is only for the world . When it si the Spirit that is speakign to the CHURCHES.
    Where at the beginning the Lord is in the midst but at the end he is outside knocking on the door of the CHURCH.
    Yet the church thinks the Lord is still in the midst .
    For it says "I am rich increased with goods and in need of nothing " When the Lord says Ye are wretched poor and blind and naked and in need of eye salve"

    The church no longer preaches or teaches the "whole council of God" it teaches what it does not know .
    But claims it does .
    The church does not teach let alone consider what it means "ye young men ye hav
     
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  11. So you would say then that we have a seeker (an erroneous term in itself because no one does) friendly, Laodicean type of preaching that is prevalent in our pulpit? If that's the case, the next step is outright apostasy.
    Pete.
     
  12. You said it .

    Though God will always have himself a witness .
    Jesus told ALL the churches in rev 2/3 to repent .
    Who am I then to contradict the Lord?
    The message to that church is "if any man has ears to hear and opens the door to THEM.............."

    I had not noticed at all till it was recently pointed out to me .That at the beginning the Lord is in the MIDST of the churches.
    at the end he is OUTSIDE knocking on the door !
    Which reminded me of Ezekial where the presence of God progresively went over time out of the temple .

    Its no use having an ostrich theology as one person has put it .
    we need to read what the scriptures actually SAY .In their order and context and in the light of ALL scripture .
    But I have great hope in God. For God is still speaking to his people ! The question is are they listening ?

    in Christ
    gerald
     
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