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God Is Not Everywhere

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Reanne, Apr 27, 2013.

  1. ( Again, I just wanna share this biblical answer. I do not own this. )


    The word ‘omnipresent’ is never found in the original languages used to write the word of God in the Bible. Although it is possible that later translations which were translated according to the religious inclination of the translator may have it. We are lucky to have manuscripts of the scriptures dating as far back as the 1st and 2nd century of the Christian era (See image below). The advent of the computer age made it easier to search the entire Bible in just a click of a keypad.
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    Nobody can ever (in this age) understand the whole being of God.
    (Isaiah 55:8-9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

    As the heaven is unfathomable, God’s thinking and ways are like the unfathomable heavens by earthlings.
    We are not allowed by any authority in the Bible to ascribe anything to God, whether it seems like adding honor and glory to Him! Why? God does not change. He is infinitely the same from everlasting to everlasting.

    (James 1:17) “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.”
    The teachings of the deceived Mormon’s that God is a person just like us in the beginning; and only attained exaltation is biblically false.


     
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    We can not add to His glory by our belief; nor diminish it by our unbelief.
    (Romans 3:3-4) “For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.”.

    God is limited to being true and faithful, He cannot lie! Im not putting limit unto Him, His words say so. It is impossible for Him to lie!

    (Titus 1:2) “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began…”

    (Hebrews 6:18 ) “That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us…”

    We know that God is a spirit because our teacher from heaven said so.
    (John 4:24) “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

    He is love because it was written.
    (1 John 4:16, 8 ) “And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him…”
    “…He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.”

    He is a consuming fire.
    (Hebrews 12:29) “For our God is a consuming fire.”

    He is compassionate and ever loving.
    (Psalms 103:14) “For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.”

    He is good.
    (Psalms 100:3-5) “Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture. Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name. For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.”

    He sits in yonder heavens and Jesus, our Lord, sits at the right hand of His majesty.
    (Colossians 3:1) “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.”
    (Hebrews 8:1) “Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such a high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens…”

    One strict prohibition of the Bible is for us to accept the word of God as it is. Nothing must be added or taken away.

    (Revelation 22:18-19) “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

    (Jeremiah 26:2) “Thus saith the LORD; Stand in the court of the LORD’s house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the LORD’s house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word:”

    (Proverbs 30:5-6) “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
     
  3. The Bible says that the eyes of God are everywhere.
    (Proverbs 15:3) “The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.”

    If God is everywhere, as other religions claim, the Bible should not have said that the eyes of the Lord are in every place. It will contradict the law of logic. Does it mean that the eyes of God, His very eyes, are everywhere? Of course, not! His eyes are in His being; but can see even beyond the material universe we know.

    God is in heaven, according to the prayer taught by our Lord Jesus Christ to the disciples.
    (Matthew 6:9-13) “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.”

    God is not in a place where there are evil strife and envy.

    (James 3:16, 15) “For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.”
    “This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.”

    He is not where confusion dwells.
    (1 Corinthians 14:33) “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
    It is an insult to God for anybody to say that He is everywhere. The disrespectful are trying to drag God to every place they want Him to be: In the casinos? The prostitution dens? In the place of demons? God forbids! This is the teaching of the misled, the blinded, and the wicked.

    (Acts 17:24) “God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands…”

    He even left His chosen nation, Israel, when they turned to be wicked.
    (2 Chronicles 15:3) “Now for a long season Israel hath been without the true God, and without a teaching priest, and without law.”
    But when they where following His statutes and judgments, God was with them, and not in any nation on earth.
    (2 Kings 5:15) “And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel: now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.”

    To my readers, are you one of those who are trying to discredit God by ascribing to Him false qualities that He does not ascribe to Himself? God forbids!

    (Job 13:7) “Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him?”
    My God — the Almighty God — is not in a heart that deceives people like other religious leaders. Praise be unto Him, forever and ever. Amen! digg

    God Bless.
     
  4. Psalm 139:7-10

    Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
    If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
    if I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
    Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

    Scripture makes it clear that there is nowhere that God is not present.
     
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  5. I would agree with Reanne, that no man or woman knows God's plan - but that doesn't mean that we should step into the void and say He is not there. I stand with Mr.Darby in saying He is everywhere.
     
  6. I think there is some confusion here as to the extent of God's reach (which I would argue is infinite and, at least in that sense, omnipresent), God's physical presence (though God is Spirit, so it may not even make sense to talk about His presence in a physical sense, that is, location or occupying space), and His approval or disapproval of what may be happening in a particular place or time.

    In any case, I hardly think that those who say God is omnipresent are deliberately insulting God or trying to discredit Him by ascribing to Him false qualities. It would be so if they were somehow saying that God either approves of or is indifferent to evil and suffering. Or if it were similar to the idea expressed in many religions, a sort of yin/yang notion that good and evil are two sides of one coin and evil is part of who God is, therefore, where we find evil we also find God. Evil is not of God, but it also doesn't create a "God free zone", IMHO.
     
  7. Also Mr. D......

    Jeremiah 23:23-24
    "Am I a God at hand saith the Lord and not a God afar off?
    Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth, saith the Lord?
     
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  8. I think maybe we do know the plan of God Silk. We have the Bible which gives us the history of man and we have the prophectic Word of God wich gives us the future of man.

    Now we do not have specifics on what is coming, but I would argue that we have a pretty good idea of the plan which God has in place for us.

    Time will tell!
     
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  9. @ Reanne

    Would it be fair to say that God excludes (withdraws from) the unrighteous at HIS will? Since we are all unrighteous, He can choose to exclude Himself from our lives at any moment should we grieve and even blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

    Now when He withdraws completely- I think we are going to have some serious issues here on this Earth....
     
  10. Yes........read Rev. 4:1 to chapter 20. Serious things are are just over the horizon.

    And by the way, your comment enforces the Rapture theory.

    For the A/C to be in controle means that the Holy Spirit which indwells in man can not be present. WHERE iis He?
    Raptured with the believers.
     
  11. Does it? I guess that would be a matter of perspective....:)
     
  12. It seems to me that it does my brother.

    In comment #10 you stated................
    "Now when He withdraws completely- I think we are going to have some serious issues here on this Earth...."

    If it is not the Rapture, when, what does "Now when He withdraws completely" mean?

    I am not trying trap you into something you did not mean, it just seemed that way to me.
     
  13. I don't disagree that there will be a 'rapture'; I think the disagreement comes in the finite details of 'how, why and when' said rapture will occur. Which am admittedly not entirely prepared to delve into the subject....
     
  14. Christianity can be and has grown into a big can of worms. We have even fallen pray to the cults and many now proclaim the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons to be Christians. With that stated and understood, the basis of this idea stated in the OP is a very slippery slope.

    Over and over I have had collision with this silly idea that this or that Word never appears in the original texts, and in fact, they are right but in essence they deny the truth. In Isaiah 55:9, 1Cor. 2:13 and so many other verses that I have not the time to count them, we learn God's ways are not man's ways. I have been presented with the silly thought that the Trinity is not found in the scriptures because the word never appear, either in the translations nor in the original texts.

    Just as I have stated, in fact, the are correct even though, in essence they have shown themselves to be fools. The English Word, Trinity, codifies what is taught of God in His scripture. The same is true of the Rapture, a word derived from, I believe, the Latin translation of the Bible, it codifies the "catching away" of the saints taught in 2Thes. 2:1-12 and seven other New Testament scriptures.

    In the same manor this, silly, claim of no Omnipresence of God fails the test. I'm not in the mood to look it up right now but anybody can look it up in the Nave's Topical Bible and find all of the references to the idea that is clearly taught in the Bible. Most important in this case is the idea taught to the disciples by Jesus, put your two cents in and if they receive you not, kick the dust of your sandals and move to the next person. In other words, there are millions of hungry lost people that want and need to hear what we have for them.

    God bless.
     
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  15. @ th1bill

    "....the laborers are few....."

    Been attending my first missions conference EVER! Thank you to my Pastor for his persistence in the matter. What a blessing....

    www.fbbc-medina.org
     
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  16. Bill, I hate to say this - but you judge. I assume I am the one you accuse of saying JW and Mormons are Christian - but it is they who claim it. Other than that - we agree - God is Everywhere! Is it biblical? In every breath we take, we should know it. The only reason you would not be able to "see" it is if you have turned your face from him. It's trite, perhaps, to bring up the single footprints reference - but it's true - he carries us. Whatever anyone thinks their "leader" here on earth gives them, the Lord God gives you sooooooo much more. And he will hold all misleaders accountable for his lost. Think for yourself, rely on God, and you will get thru. As DRS says, the true laborers are few but they will endure. Because they know a truth you don't-that the real God is just a breath away and wants you back.
     
  17. Absolutely correct Bill.

    There is also the teaching of ............ IMPLIED TRUTH.

    Consider for amoment the parabels Jesus taught us in Scriptures. What is a "Parabel"??? .........IMPLIED TRUTH!

    "Parables are best defined as stories with two levels of meaning; the story level provides a mirror by which reality is perceived and understood." taken from Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels, (p. 594).

    "A parable is a saying or story that seeks to drive home a point that the speaker wishes to emphasize by illustrating it from a familiar situation of common life" taken from The Zondervan Pictorial Bible Encyclopedia (p. 590).
     
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  18. Silk, it does not matter who claims what, the fact is that the Mormons and JW's, are not in any way a Christian denomination, reguardless what THEY may say.

    I do not think Bill was judging but instead was doing what I just did and that is to state a FACT.
     
  19. When you are prepared, lets talk about it.
     
  20. I Posted: Because they know a truth you don't-that the real God is just a breath away and wants you back.

    I did not mean you - Bill. I meant the rhetorical some of you. Apologies.

    I will repeat myself again - I am not claiming Mormons and JW's are a Christian sect - I am saying they claim a belief in Christ. I am not here to argue their case, in any event. I'm sorry but I think both you, Major, and Bill are judging others based on theologies different from yours (and mine too, actually). The difference between the 3 of us is that I don't disrespect another's choice of faith or how they choose to see themselves. I may not agree with their theology but as far as I know they both claim Christ as their Savior and I respect that. I believe, Major, that you feel you are going on facts, but to me it sounds like judgement.
     

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