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God hates people?

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by WhiteLioness, Jul 7, 2008.

  1. God hates people?

    I thought God was agape love. But I found a few verses that suggest he actually hated people.

    Rom 9:13 -- As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

    Strong's Concordance translates the word "hated" in that verse above as...

    to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
    2) to be hated, detested hate 41, hateful 1

    "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26).

    Strong's Concordance translates the word "hate" in that verse above as...

    1) to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
    2) to be hated, detested

    "The Lord tries the righteous: but the wicked and him that loves violence his soul hateth." (Psa.11:5).

    Strong's Concordance translates the word "hateth" in that verse above as...

    to hate, be hateful
    a) (Qal) to hate
    1) of man
    2) of God
    3) hater, one hating, enemy (participle) (subst)
    b) (Niphal) to be hated
    c) (Piel) hater (participle)
    1) of persons, nations, God, wisdom

    hate 136, enemies 3, enemy 2, foes 1, hateful 1, misc 3

    Hos.9:10-17 -- All their wickedness [is] in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes [are] revolters.

    Strong's Concordance translates the word "hated" in that verse above as...

    1) to hate, be hateful
    a) (Qal) to hate
    1) of man
    2) of God
    3) hater, one hating, enemy (participle) (subst)
    b) (Niphal) to be hated
    c) (Piel) hater (participle)
    1) of persons, nations, God, wisdom hate 136, enemies 3, enemy 2, foes 1, hateful 1, misc 3

    God said HE would love them no more. :( The opposite of love is hate...he would love them no more.

    So what do you think of Strong's Condordance? And about these verses?
  2. All it takes is spiritual cutting off from Him, and bam, they are darkness - not in Him, and because they are not love, they do not partake in the love, and if not loved, you're hated.

    Just thinking. Time to go to bed though and let the brain crash.
  3. “A woman once said to Charles Haddon Spurgeon, ‘I cannot understand why God should say that He hated Esau.’ ‘That,’ Spurgeon replied, ‘is not my difficulty, madam. My trouble is to understand how God could love Jacob.’”

    Jacob was a scoundrel. In fact his name means "cheater" yet God chose him as the heir of salvation. Just like us, we are all cheaters (or worse) yet God has chosen some of us for salvation.

  4. :goodpost:

    Esau was a fool...I THINK this is why God hated him...

    The Bible is full of verses that show a disgust toward fools in general...

    Esau traded his birthright to his brother Jacob for a bowl of food...very foolish indeed...I suspect that this was only one example of his foolishness.
  5. That is a common and complete mistranslation and misrepresentation of Jacob. His name means supplanter which translates one who takes the place of. God saw in this young man a heart that hungered for Him and was desirous of His blessing as opposed to Esau who traded his blessing for a plate of beans.

  6. Noahs 1828 Definition....

    mistranslation, maybe...but pretty close to accurate...the examples of Jacobs deceit are many...and it seems to be a family trait

    Mom (Rachel) instructs Jacob to trick his father into believing he is Esau...

    Laban tricks Jacob into marrying Leah...

    Jacob tries to steal Labans flocks (God instead blessed Jacob with the flocks)...

    Rachel steals the family Idol (inheritance, I've been told)...

    This is my favorite Bible story...

  7. Copied and pasted from: Everything you ever needed to know about the Bible!

    The Nature of God

    [SIZE=+1]Man has a sin problem, but God has the solution and the answer. John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life". God is truly a loving God to give His only begotten Son to die for us. That is the ultimate of love. Nothing could be greater.
    Not only is God a loving God, but the Bible speaks of other aspects of God’s nature. God is a vengeful God. In Hebrews 10:30-31 we read, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord. And again, the Lord will judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God". Most people like to think of God as only a loving God, and nothing else; but this is not true. On the day of judgment, the majority of people will find out just how fearful, that it is to fall into the hands of the living God.
    Not only is the Lord loving and vengeful, but he is also just. Jesus says in John 5:30 (KJV), "I can of my own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just". Yes, when we stand before the Lord on the Day of Judgment, he will be just. But justice demands that guilt be punished. Let me give you an example. Just suppose I went out and robbed a bank, and was caught. Also suppose that the judge and I were good friends. So the judge calls me up to his bench and whispers to me that he doesn’t want to send me to prison for twenty years. He tells me, that if I will quietly walk out the back door, that he will tear up all the paperwork, nothing will be said, and I can go free. Would he be a just judge? No way. But God is a just God, and can be no less.
  8. I do not mind if we disagree on this. I am just pointing out the obvious that is often missed as interpretations seem to be accepted as truth without much thought. I wonder how many things we have taken for granted and missed God's truth completely? Anyway just food for though-

    From H6117; heel catcher (that is, supplanter); Jaakob, the Israelitish patriarch: - Jacob.

    Heel catcher - supplanter- His name was merely prophetic of his life- chosen by God to replace his brother to receive God's blessing which his brother did not value in the least.
  9. I had to delete your verses from my quote because i am not allowed to post links untill i meet a certain set number of posts. Even though i am not posting links but only quoting someone else who has already posted the link. :D

    God hates those who love Evil. Yes God hates. But He is also full of mercy for those who hate evil and have a contrite heart towards His will.

    Proverbs 6
    16 These six things the LORD hates,
    Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
    17 A proud look,
    A lying tongue,
    Hands that shed innocent blood,
    18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
    Feet that are swift in running to evil,
    19 A false witness who speaks lies,
    And one who sows discord among brethren.

    Feet that are swift in running to evil describes someone who loves evil, And pride has always been a block to contrition and repentance.

    Isaiah 57
    15 For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “ I dwell in the high and holy place,With him who has a contrite and humble spirit, To revive the spirit of the humble, And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
  10. esau diddn,t want God jacob did.:)God only wants people who know they need him,that is what i know,i need all the help i can get.:)
  11. God is love but He is also Holy, Righteous and a whole lot more. A holy God hates sin and judges it righteously. A loving God makes a way for us to be pardoned from that very judgment.
  12. I remember reading somewhere that this verse was more of an example to show the contrast with how much more we're supposed to love the world than things in this world. It doesn't necessarily mean we're supposed to hate.

    Here is what my study Bible says about that exact verse:

    Jesus' comments here are an example of hyperbole, a figure of speech that exaggerates for emphasis. Jesus was setting up an extreme contrast to make a point: Our passion for Jesus should be so strong and so committed that our affection for our families could, by comparison, be considered hatred.

    By setting up such an exaggerated contrast, Jesus was describing the total committment required from his disciples. We know Jesus was not literally calling us to hate our families. The balance of biblical teaching tells us to honor our parents and love others. Jesus was establishing priorities. We owe an unqualified loyalty and love to God. Then, because we put Him first, we are to love others. The two actually go hand in hand.

    I'm thinking there are many things in the Bible that are not necessarily meant to be taken literally. That's why I love Bible studies so much. They really teach me how to read the Bible. Asking questions is good too, which is what you did and what I do often. Cause if you don't, these questions just float around your head forever and make you (not YOU, you in general) think of God in the wrong manner.

    Anyway, hope that helps.:)
  13. Exactly.
  14. some of Gods angels might hate you.you have to want God.God loves us all.
  15. Hello,
    God is Holy and Righteousness is not anything else we know but all God Has for it. God does not fail to love subject to moods and fluctuating feels esp caused by man. He never changes. He never stops to love as a result of shoking changes by man which maybe He was not aware would come.
    When a man becomes evil, the love of God towards him does not cease. 'God Gives rain even to the wicked.' 'God is not tested with evil.'
    Everybody alive is subject to the spirit ruling from within. God Hates sin in a way we are unable to describe. It costed His Only Son, Pain and Death! There is no more sacrifice for sin. By the choices you have made and will make till you die, God is aware of your whole spectrum of life. He therefore even knows how much given a chance, I/you would invent new evil ways. To add to Kitsapgirl:
    For Esau; I have perceived him to have come to existance for all but evil missions, as an exact seed of an entirely whole corrupted progressive genealogy, with a personal contemptious opinion about God. For your information King Herod who Jesus would not respond to, was a descendant of Esau. You know just about how much more he did and his wicked father before him. I am ready to love and hate what God loves and hates respectively, because when the Council of Men sits to meditate, nothing nearing God will come out of it. We are unable to establish the reasoning trend of God, esp to an agent of evil (specifically violent, and inconsiderate to the widow and homeless).
    Good topic to think over.

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