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God hardening pharoah,s heart.

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by smellycat, Nov 21, 2008.

  1. God hardening pharoah,s heart.

    why would God want to do this.wouldn,t it be God wanted him to let his people go,but satan would not let him.any idea,s.
  2. Smelly I am not exactly sure what you are pointing at. Can you please direct me?

    Edit: Smelly logged out so I don't know when I'll get a reply.
  3. Exodus 9:13-16 Romans 9:14-24
  4. why would God harden his heart.?wouldn,t satan harden pharoahs heart.?

  5. God is the potter and we are the pot(s). Just as a potter is in control of his own creation so is God.

    God uses many people who are not the so-called "good" people to fulfill His wishes. God gave Pharaoh many chances, but He didn't listen.

    God works in many mysterious ways. I think you came up with an interesting question, however. I know of scriptures about Pharaoh and God and the hardening of his heart but sadly I cannot name them right off the tip of my tongue, now, sorry.

    Thanks everyone.



  6. God said it,

    7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply my signs and my​
    wonders in the land of Egypt.
    7:13 And he hardened Pharaoh’s heart, that he hearkened not unto them;​
    as the LORD had said.
  7. why? just wondering.
  8. Romans 11:34 Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become his adviser?

    I don't think God messes with freewill - ever. If God controlled Pharaoh, then Pharaoh would not be responsible for his actions and God did hold Pharaoh accountable.

    Also, only good can come from God - even as He allows humans freewill to do evil.

    Since no human can truly and completely understand the mind of God, we are left to speculate based on what God has revealed to us about His character:

    1. I believe God gave pharaoh every chance to change and turn to the God of Abraham - the only God.
    This was an act of a merciful and just God.

    2. God already knew pharaoh would not turn. So God, according to His great love and mercy, turned a bad situation into a blessing for His chosen people and for His soon-to-be adopted children.

    Romans 15:4 For everything that was written long ago was written to instruct us, so that we might have hope through the endurance and encouragement that the Scriptures give us.

    Did God "harden pharaoh's heart"? Yes, but not to change the outcome of pharaoh's freewill choices. Instead,
    "we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28
  9. Deut
    29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things
    which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that​
    we may do all the words of this law.
    I Cor
    2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
    for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
    because they are spiritually discerned.
    2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of
    no man.
    2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct​
    him? But we have the mind of Christ.
  10. The best, most direct, simple answer to the question above is: “In order to demonstrate His power, and in order that His name might be proclaimed throughout the entire earth.”
    The reason that is the best, most direct, simple answer to the question is because it is God's own answer. See Exodus 9:16 and Romans 9:17.
    God raised up Pharaoh and hardened Pharaoh's heart in order to promote His own glory.
    “But,” you may say, “that doesn’t sound right to me. It just doesn't seem to me that God would arrange for a person to actually sin and rebel just to make Himself great.”
    At which point I would ask, “How do you propose that we determine the truth about what motivates the heart of God? Will we base our conclusions on our own feelings about what seems right? Or will we base our conclusions on what God Himself says in the Bible to be true about what motivates Him?”
    Many wise and reputable commentators propose that when the Bible says that God hardened Pharaoh's heart, what it really means is that God simply facilitated a process that Pharaoh himself initiated. After all, the Bible repeatedly also states that Pharaoh hardened his own heart, i.e. Exodus 8:15 and 32.
    Dr. Norman Geisler, for instance, a scholar whose work we regard highly and frequently cite in this publication, holds that God did not directly harden Pharaoh's heart (or anyone else's heart for that matter) contrary to their own free choice, but only indirectly, through their own choice. In their excellent book When Critics Ask (©1992 Victor Books), Geisler and Howe say,
    “God in His omniscience foreknew exactly how Pharaoh would respond, and He used it to accomplish His purposes. God ordained the means of Pharaoh's free but stubborn action…”
    And that's the position of many other respected commentators. But not all. There are those who believe that the simplest and most accurate reading of Exodus chapters 4-9, and the corresponding text in Romans 9:17ff, rather indicates that it was God Himself and none other who was the primary, initiating, direct, and driving force behind Pharaoh's choice to harden his heart.
    Romans 9 is perhaps the most difficult chapter in the Bible to read, accurately understand, and fully accept, because what Romans 9 teaches flies in the face of our human inclination to be independent, self-determining, and proud. Romans 9 indicates that it is God, not us—not me—who is in control. In fact, it shows that God is in such total control that He can and does sovereignly elect to show mercy to some people while hardening the hearts of others. And it shows that He is just in doing so. And it shows that I am in no position to challenge Him on the matter (Romans 9:20-21). And it shows that I am also still fully responsible for all of my actions and accountable for all of my choices.
    Am I then saying that God Himself actually arranged for Pharaoh to sin?
    Job was attacked by Satan.​

    Yes, in much the same sense that He arranged for Joseph's brothers to sell Joseph into slavery (Genesis 50:20), Satan to attack Job (Job 1:12), Jews and and Romans to crucify Jesus (Acts 2:23), and sin to exist in the first place.
    Well, if that's true, how can we explain what seems like a contradiction—that God wills sin which is, by definition, against His will.
    Theologians have often handled this paradox by concluding that there are two wills in God, sometimes referred to as God's sovereign will and His revealed (perceptive) will, or His will of command and His will of decree. And also by understanding that in God's view and plan, it is good that there is evil in this world. Note—that is not to say that evil is itself good; only that evil serves a worthy end and is therefore an important and integral part of God's good purposes.
    But isn't God compassionate toward all men—even sinners? And if so, how could He harden Pharaoh's heart while simultaneously loving him and feeling compassion for him?
    Dr. John Piper addresses this as follows:
    “There is a genuine inclination in God's heart to spare those who have committed treason against his kingdom. But his motivation is complex, and not every true element in it rises to the level of effective choice. In his great and mysterious heart there are kinds of longings and desires that are real… Yet not all of these longings govern God's actions. He is governed by the depth of his wisdom expressed through a plan that no ordinary human deliberation would ever conceive (Romans 11:33-36; 1 Corinthians 2:9). There are holy and just reasons for why the affections of God's heart have the nature and intensity and proportion that they do.”
    Author: Daryl E. Witmer of AIIA Institute.
    Why did God harden Pharaoh's heart? - ChristianAnswers.Net
  11. Smelly it's written the OT why he hardened his heart.
    He wanted all of egypt to see and know that the LORD is God alone and that there is no other. His miracles proved it and He established fear amongst them. Also to establish that His chosen people are the Jews and that He separated them from the Egyptians,
    it's all written in Exodus I believe.
  12. i like that ramsey.but he did not make a bad situation to solve the problem,this is how satan works.:)
  13. God solves our problems.he doesn,t make problems,like when we pray ,we say to keep us from evil.

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