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God Created Evil

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Sheila Renae, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. What is evil, where did it come from and did God Himself create it?

    Where did evil come from? What started evil and sin? Evil and sin are such because God Himself labeled them as such. I believe that God decided what was evil by watching all of His creations through ALL of time and the things that caused extinction, destruction and mass destruction within a species was what He labeled evil/sin. This was so that mankind could overcome his animal instincts and live long upon the earth.

    In the Bible evil is merely sin. God does not sin, He created the beings who go against His wisdom and what He knows through His observations. He watched, saw the ways that were killing His children and made the rules of life. FOR US--not for Himself. He can create more beings. The rules came from His love for us. Sin is disobedience to the will of God, this is evil.

    God Himself does not sin.
    James 1:13--Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man: 14--but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed

    I don't know how much of the OT was man's word and how much is actually God speaking. He says that some prophets said that He spoke when He had not.
    Ezekiel 22:28--And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, SAYING, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD, WHEN THE LORD HATH NOT SPOKEN.

    These verses clearly show that evil is merely sin and not something different. All have sinned and all have been evil in the eyes of God.
    1 Kings 14:22, 2 Kings 23:37, 1 Thessalonians 5:22 and many more

    Then some say, why does God allow evil?
    If He didn't allow us to ripen and mature by the choices we make we wouldn't be independent individuals/souls/identities----we would be Him. We are to GROW in different ways with unique personalities by the mistakes that have shaped our lives. Once we have ripened, we become like minded with Him in seeing that the rules ARE what destroys not only ourselves but those around us. But, by then we have developed our individuality. Without the lows we cannot recognize the highs. Without trial we wouldn't recognize what it is to be free. We are placed in different circumstances and raised in different ways to become unique but then coming together in the end with the truth.

    God Himself does not sin but He did create evil.
    Isaiah 45:7--I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all things.

    He created us and by His grace and mercy gave us the freedom and right to grow up by making our own mistakes and learning from them. He admits to having created all things wise and wonderful, all things bold and beautiful and even us.
    At least this is my take on it. What's yours?
    Yeshua Bless You
  2. Evil is the absence of good; as dark is the absence of light.
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  3. "evil" in this case would be better translated as "misfortune"

    God does no evil, He does not sin. For He is perfect and there is no darkness in Him.
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  4. I don't think God sat back and watched His creation and, observing their behavior said, "Hmmm....that seems to have unpleasant consequences. Guess I better make a rule about that." God knew His creation thoroughly when He made it, and had a plan for the direction it would take. If His revelations to us seem progressive, it was not because He was learning new and unexpected things and having to change things, but because we have a limited capacity to comprehend the infinite.
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  5. Agreed....the Hebrew word means "calamity" and "adversity".
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  6. I agree with this, God does allow calamity to test us and shape us..like did w/ Job
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  7. Right...the operative word is "allow", not create. IMO He knows that few learn from tragedy, so He allows this only in very special circumstances.
  8. By that reasoning, good is the absence of evil just as light is the absence of dark:confused:
    God said, "let there be light" thereby abolishing dark.
    Did he ever say "let there be moral good" thereby abolishing moral not-good>>evil?
    He couldn't could He...if He did, that would mean that He Himself was not morally good before the act:cautious::cautious:

    I think evil is the other side of good. If there were no evil, how could the Lord claim to be good..in an objective moral sense?
    Satan chose to rebel against the Lord and mankind bought in on the deal. So, evil is rebellion against the Lord's authority. Do away with evil, then can anything be declared good in a moral sense? To what would God's nature be compared and contrasted?
    Interesting to see what will be after the Resurrection and the BBQ gets underway.
    Will our thoughts and discussions dwell on good/evil?
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  9. Calvin - "good" is self existant, it is the lack of corruption, whereas "evil" without good is meaningless.
    Or to put it a different way, without law which states what is good there can be no lawbreakers.
    Even Satan can't be completely evil, for if you take all that is "good" away from him, (purpose, intellect, being)
    there is nothing left.

    Will our thoughts and discussions dwell on good/evil?

    No, for we will know only good. Evil will be only a vague memory.
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  10. Glomung, God is self existent.
    If good, as a moral attribute is self existent, then it must have something to be compared with. I question the idea that moral good can exist without a sort of counterpoise....what we call evil. I submit that for moral good to be self existent,moral bad or evil must also be self existent.
    Proverbs 8 tells us that wisdom was there in the beginning, I'm unaware that moral good is claimed to be there at the beginning. certainly not in Prov 8 anyway.
    Mind you I'm not suggesting that the Lord's nature has ever changed. Merely that when iniquity was found in Satan, that evil then existing allows an evaluation that was not possible before.
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  11. In order to understand the Word fully, you must know what the surrounding scriptures say. This is why there are so many false doctrines out there because one may take one portion of a scripture and base a doctrine on it without studying the context of the scripture.

    The context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.

    "I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:5-7, NASB).​

    Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc.

    Scriptures that prove that God is pure and just are:
    Deut 32:4 - "The Rock! His work is perfect, for all His ways are just; a God of faithfulness and without injustice, righteous and upright is He."

    Hab 1:13 - "Thine eyes are too pure to approve evil, and Thou canst not look on wickedness with favor."

    We can see that the Bible teaches that God is pure and does not approve of evil, that the word "evil" in Hebrew can mean many things, and that contextually the verse is speaking of calamity and distress. Therefore, God does not create evil in the moral sense, but in the sense of disaster or calamity.
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  12. Good exegesis xspinningisfun....Context is everything!
  13. Yup! In my hermeneutics class freshman year, my professor's favorite saying was: "Context, context, CONTEXT!"
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  14. And he is correct, correct, CORRECT!
  15. I think John 10:10 says it all.
  16. How so, Ron?
  17. It tell us how to know if something is of the Devil, if it Kills, Steals, Destroys, it is from Satan, if it gives life it is God.

    We also need to know that The verbs used here in The King James Version are causative verbs, making it sound as though God were causing the sickness and disease. The original Hebrew reads an entirely different way because the verbs are permissive, which means that the action was simply allowed to happen.

    For example, Deuteronomy 28:22 in The King James Version reads, "The Lord shall smite thee...." In the original Hebrew, that phrase says, "The Lord shall allow you to be smitten...."

    In The King James Version, Exodus 15:26 says, "I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians." The Hebrew text says, "I will not allow any of the diseases to come upon you that I allowed to come upon Egypt."

    You see, the diseases were already there because of the curse. God allowed them to overtake Egypt because the Egyptians didn't have a covenant with Him. God did not cause the sickness and disease; He simply allowed what was already there to take place. The King James version distorts the true meaning of these verses.

    God gets no glory from our sickness or disease (except our being healed!). He takes no pleasure in harming us, and He never will.
  18. God allowed Evil to menifest.

    Lucifer is an example IMHO, the bringer of light, Gods Top Angel before he turned and became known as Satan or the Devil, was a Master musician could play any intrument to perfection sing like no other angel before, He had it all and risk it all to be like God so gathering the angels that sided with him he went to war against God. Lucifer losing the battle was thrown out of heaven.
    So God allowed Lucifer to turn to being the devil? He allowed evil.Why? Cause he is the loving God and if he chose to destroy Satan ( tho he will later some day) then mankind cannot have a choice right? Other wise we would all be like robots and never sin. Even the Angels in Heaven have a Choice, so IMO He could not have created evil but allowed evil to manifest in us. God wanted us to choose and not be robots where we cannot ever go against Him. That wouldn't be his way imo.
    What was evil when it involed Lucifer? Pride, Jealously wanting to be above God and a god in his own eyes?

    As for lucifer as the master musician in heaven now that lucifer is the Devil in hell you can hear his evil works through death metal,heavy metal, Rock, gangsta rap, even some form of Reggae and any other forms of music at influencing gods people today, cause he was once the master at it, now hes usin it not for good but evil. Music can have a huge influence on us just another tool for Satan to get us. I'll stick to opera thanks!
  19. I see, Ron.

    My Strong's Concordance does not say what is a "causative verb" and what is not. And my Hebrew Bible has nothing but Strong's as a link.

    Can you show me where this is explained? Thanks.
  20. Yes Sir, Young's Hints and helps by Dr. Robert Young .

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