Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by nws2dc, May 3, 2014.
I LOL'd at this part. Almost spit my coffee out.
Then you are contradicting the Word of God my brother. You are saying that homosexuality is a sickness aren't you???
"Pedophiles are attracted to what they are attracted to. They can't help it any more than homosexuals".
God calls these actions SIN.
I was hoping that would come off funny rather than smart butty.
Being attracted to the same sex isn't a sin, my friend. Read your Bible. Acting on those desires is the sin.
Jesus said something along the lines of looking at a woman lustfully and it being a sin, I'm guessing it would be the same looking at a man lustfully.. no?
"smart butty" I see what you did there.
Are you attracted to women? Just because you are doesn't mean you absolutely must look at women lustfully. I think it's the same thing with homosexual people.
What about Proverbs 24:12
"If thou sayest , behold, we knew it not, doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? And he that keepth thy soul doth not he know it? And shall not he render to every man according to his works".
Now do you remember the story of the woman caught in adultery? Wasn't the bottom line teaching from Jesus founded on the words in Proverbs????
You do not have to commit the sin to be guilty......you only have to think it and ponder it and lust after it.
So then, is the sin in the thinking or in the action according to the Bible?
Is that what you mean by encouraging me to read the Bible???????
I don't understand your point, Major. You're saying that even heterosexual men are in sin constantly because of their sexual orientation?
Now is that what I really said??? Is that what you really think I said????
I am not trying to be confrontational here with you, but this is the 2nd time you have put words into my mouth.
Please read what I said again.
I said and quote......
"You do not have to commit the sin to be guilty......you only have to think it and ponder it and lust after it."
That literal interpretation comes from the mouth of God as found in Matt. 5:28...........
"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
So, a homosexual is in a constant state of sin because of what they are attracted to, but you are not because you are attracted to the opposite sex? That makes no sense.
That is not what I SAID. That is what YOU said my brother.
I never said that a homosexual is in constant sin because of what they are attracted to.
But......Jesus said in the verse I posted that a man...
""But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Now then, If YOU are saying that homosexuals are in a state of constant sin because of their attraction then the words of Jesus would be correctly applied.
But it seems to me that you are purposefully manipulating the words "Attracted to" to mean that a homosexual is always walking around in a state of arousal for other homosexuals. That is NOT what I said neither is it what Jesus said. YOU said that.
Jesus said, and I agree that a "man who LUSTS after a woman is as guilty as if he had committed the act".
Proverbs 24:12 is the root of that teaching so I guess the best thing to do is for you to question the Lord on His use of the words, not me. I didn't say them, I just read them and believe them.
I did what you encouraged me to do......Read my Bible. How did I do by the way????
Okay I see what you are saying here. I would say this, a murderer is not a murderer until he murders. So a homosexual is not a homosexual until he commits something homo-ee.
A murderer that comes out the murder closet would be put in jail, because we would assume they have murdered not just thought about it. A homosexual coming out of the closest, society assumes they have committed something homo-ee. Or why would the gays celebrate them coming out of the closet? What's there to celebrate? They are celebrating and encouraging them to do gay activities.
I said being attracted to something isn't a sin. Because it's not. Lusting and being attracted a certain sex isn't the same thing. I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
When we talk about homosexuals, we are talking about someone that is attracted to the same sex. Maybe this is what is causing the confusion between Major and I.
When people "come out of the closet" they are telling someone that they are attracted to the same sex, not that they've already had sex with someone of the same sex (although they may have). Some people do celebrate by adopting the "homosexual lifestyle" with the clubs and all but others don't. I would imagine it's a huge relief because they feel like they are hiding from everyone in their lives. Some people don't celebrate at all but hate that they are attracted to the same sex.
I am not being argumentive with you, but I think everyone reading our words knows what is being said, except maybe you.
I don't see the confusion, just a lack of understanding what Jesus clearly said about "lusting after".
I understand that to be looking at some one, declaring in your mind that the person you are looking at is really sexy and hot and I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM.
When we have that kind of attitude, according to the Lord Jesus, we have already committed the act with them.
I agree. Are you saying that homosexuals are like that all the time? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but I don't understand how what you said here connects with the topic.
Everyone assumes that when a person comes out of the closest they have accepted their sin and are ready to engage in it. I have never heard of someone coming out of the closest and saying "I'm officially gay, but I'm not going to do anything gay" That would confuse straight people and gay people. Actually that would make a lot of gays mad, because that would tease them.
Yes, that is the assumption but that's not always the case. Do we not tell our Christian brothers about our sin when we are trying to overcome it or resist it? I'm not going to lie, I am severely screwed up when it comes to sexuality because of all the pornography I've watched. I've told people about this, but that doesn't mean that I've "accepted" it. I'm trying to overcome it and resist against it and that's a daily hurdle to jump for me. I imagine some homosexuals, that come from good Christian homes tell their parents so that can get prayer and be better understood.
I'm not saying that most homosexuals don't act on their feelings, but that's the same with straight people.
See! It is not confusion. "I DID NOT SAY THAT HOMOSEXUALS ARE LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME".
Read all the posts and you will see that I did not say that. YOU are the one who brought that up.
I am agreeing with the Scriptures that say WHEN A PERSON THINKS LIKE THAT! (Yes I was yelling).
So you agree that being attracted to the same sex isn't a sin but lusting and acting on it is?
You said that I contradicted the Bible by saying what you're attracted to can't be helped. That's why I assumed you were saying that being attracted to the same sex is a sin.
Thats the big difference here. You are trying to overcome it, that is good. It is common belief by the gay community and the rest of society that when a person "comes out of the closet" they are not trying to overcome it, they are finally accepting it. I know it is not "always the case" but this is the belief of the majority.. And I think this is what Christians are against, ACCEPTING the sin. Most gays that "come out of the closet" do not want to overcome they want everyone to accept, and this is where the main issue is.
I agree. It's like pretty much everything else involving humans. We want our own sin to be accepted or we just lessen it in our own mind, saying it isn't as bad as something else.
I just hate the way we phrase discussions on homosexuality. I would hate for someone not to join the forum or join a church because they feel their specific sin is considered worse than remarriage or porn addiction.