Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by smellycat, Jul 5, 2009.
garden of eden
God made angels.Lord God made satan.does this mean time travel exists.?
Christ said God has many mansions.which i believe as true.so does this mean ufo,s or time travel.?or both.satan must have eternal life hence coming from Christ.so satan must have been Christian and rebelled aggainst Christ.
so satan and his followers are ex christians.thats why they know scripture so well.
from a purely secular humanistic view, time travel is theorized to be possible, it is only a matter of determining how it could be done. From a Biblical standpoint, there is no scriptural mention of any being traveling back and forth in time, nor is the idea of such an event ever mentioned.
Mansions=UFO's and time travel?
"1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
I believe that Christ is assuring his disciples that there is indeed a home waiting for them in Heaven, and that they will one day abide with Him for eternity. This is the promise that we, as followers of Christ, also hold to, that there is an eternal place for us in our Father's kingdom, and Christ will return for us.
Satan,and those that followed him in rebellion, have known the truth since the beginning of their existance. The fact that they know scripture is simply a matter of their being eyewitnesses to it since the garden of Eden.
He and his followers, however, cannot be considered ex-Christians as they were never Christians to begin with. While Satan at one time worshipped God, he rebelled long before God ever revealed to man the promise of messiah. He never worshipped and followed Jesus as his savior. While he has no choice but to acknowledge Jesus as the "Christ"( a greek term that is synonomous with the hebrew "messiah"), he has only tried to interfere with God's plans to make a place for His beloved creation.
Look at it this way:
Say you're the goalie on a football(soccer) team. You know that the head Coach is the head Coach. You know that that His position puts Him in a place of authority over you and the rest of the team. Maybe you think that the Coach isn't as good a coach as you could be, so you get a few team members to back you in an effort to remove the Coach from his position and take over the coaching position yourself. Come to find out, you and your teammates that support you are no match for the Coach and the players that are loyal to him. Guess what, you're off the team, right? So, you form your own team. You know your former Coach's plays, so you figure that you and your team can use that to your advantage to defeat him for the World Cup. Here's the kicker. Your former Coach knows your own coaching and playing abilities better than you do, because he's the one that developed them, starting from when you joined the team. He knows that you, and the team you put together, are no match for Him and His team, and because of your own misguided arrogance, your fate is sealed to lose. In fact, He goes as far to tell the whole world as much, in all the papers. You read all the articles and hear all the radio and tv reports. But you're so full of yourself, believing in your own skills, that this does nothing but make you more determined to humiliate the Coach, His players, and everyone who is a fan of His. Turns out, you r efforts have garnered the support of all the other teams in the league and the fans of those teams.
Well, durring the first match of the World Cup, the Coach puts Himself in the game. He can play forward, halfback and goalie better than all the other players in the tournement combined. Match after match, the other teams fall to His.
Here you are in the final match, your team against his. To show the world that He is the Coach that He claimed to be all along, He takes all of his other players out of the game, instructing them to watch as He takes on you and your team single handedly. In the end, at the final whistle, its a shut out. You lost, just like He said you would. You knew it was comming, because He told you it would happen. The world knew it was comming because He said it would happen. Some chose to believe Him, but most did not. Those fans who had faith in Him, and believed Him, share in the teams victory, and are made members of His team. Those teams and fans that placed their faith in you and your team, likewise share your fate, and are left with nothing, never to experience anything more than destitution, loneliness, and the pain and suffering of defeat, for all of eternity.
Satan is nothing more than very powerful(compared to humans), very arrogant, very misguided ex player on God's team. While this may sound overly simplistic, it illustrates that while we must respect Satan's power of persuasion, we can always rely on our Coach to be the Coach He promises us He is. We can trust HIm not only to call the plays and show us how to execute them when it comes to overcomming Satan's attacks, but to sub Himself in when He knows we have followed His gameplan, but just need a rest . Satan deserves no more glory, honor, or consideration than any other self absorbed, misguided, egomaniac deserves.
ok thats cool,so in order does it go this way God ...satan...then Christ.beginning and end.?
It's definitely possible to travel forward through time, but it takes a while to get there.
"1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.-John 1:1(NIV)
If God is eternal and unchanging, and, as verse 1 says, the Word was God, and the Word is Jesus,which is confirmed in Revelation 19:13:
"13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.",
then we can conclude that Jesus, being God, is also eternal and unchanging, right? So that means that if Jesus was the Christ 2 thousand+ years ago, He always was the Christ, and always will be the Christ.
So, while your timeline is correct in the sense that yes, first we knew God as the Creator, then satan corrupted God's creation, and then God came to earth in the physical body as Jesus the Christ, the only possible way by which we could be redeemed of our sin, it is incorrect if it assumes that Jesus only became the Christ after satan's fall and the original act of disobedience of man occured. We know this to be true because of the prophecies of the deliverer yet to come found throughout the Old Testimate scriptures. The presence of those prophecies tell us that Jesus was always appointed to be the Messiah, it was only a matter of the appointed time to role around for God to execute that aspect of His plan and the identity of the deliverer to be revealed. Its the same with the second comming of Jesus and the final judgement. We know it's going to happen, we just don't know when. The only difference between the second comming and the first comming is the specifics of what we know v/s what the jews knew about the comming Messiah. The Jews had only vague prophetic references to Messiah and why He was comming. So vague, that even while He walked in their midst, even the most knowledgeable Rabbi's didn't recognize Him. There will not be any doubt about what is happening and who has arrived at the second comming. We already know the identity of who is comming, and who will preside over the final judgement. We know because that knowledge was given to us by Jesus Himself and due to the revelations given to Peter, Paul and John the revelator. Sure we know Jesus is the Christ, now that He came and told us who He is, but He/God has always known.
Its kind of hard to wrap our heads around, because we can only truely comprehend what we can relate to. God isn't confined to our physical laws of time and space, so the idea of an eternal infinate being is hard enough to grasp, let alone all of the specific characteristics of such a being, especially a trinatarian being. We can only go by what knowledge we are given through scripture, and how He interacts with us in our own daily lives.
I read a statement by an atheist that said Christians have to think like schizophrenics in order to believe all that we do. Not true, if we have faith and are willing to accept that God is greater than our logic and imagination can encapsulate, and that we are not meant to know all there is to know about God, until He wants us to know it. It is when we try to understand what we are not capable of understanding, or even meant to know, that we become confused and have doubts if what we believe could possibly be true. It just isn't logical, by human standards.
Amen Steve- Jesus Christ is the beginning and the end.
Its going fast enough as far as I'm concerned
When I think of time , I think of these verses .
[ A Time for Everything ] There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven:
a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot,
a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build,
a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance,
God created time. As such, he is not subject to it as his creations are. Jesus is an interesting exception as he is God, and thus outside of time. However, he came into this world in the form of a man and existed within time while he was here. Even with that, though, I still think he ultimately exists outside of time. He knew what was going to happen even when Satan was blind, which leads me to believe he still existed outside of time in some way while he was here. Everyone created by God is subject to time. This includes Satan and all the angels both fallen and not. I do not know if time travel is possible, but I suspect not as Satan is quite clever and would probably try to undo a very big mistake he made around 32 A.D.
They know scripture but not well enough. Remember this?
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
If Satan really knew scripture, he wouldn't have quoted Psalm 91:11-12 if he knows what is written Deut 6:16. In fact, Satan is stupid when it comes to scriptures.