Food For Thought

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by th1bill, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. Today on the weekly news wrap-up on FNC the link between Sandy Hook, in Newtown and the legal shooting of the burglar, 17 year old Trevon Martin by the, falsely portrayed, white man, George Zimmerman. George, first of all is a member of one of the most despised races in the Gulf Coast States, Spanish, and no one looking at this truly gentle man would ever accuse him of being white.

    What is the connection? Well, those of you that that screamed at me for trying to talk sense into the subject can rest, you need to be but you are not likely to be sued as is now happening to the National News Media systems. Facebook, My Space and thousands of other social media forums made an issue of this and about a month later, or so, the News Media picked it up and began telling lies about it, also.

    So you ask, what lie is told about the Sandy Hook shooting? Within minutes the older brother was slandered, just as was the young George Zimmerman. Reported surveys demonstrate that 83% of all Americans claim the Christ for their own and still, better than, 98% of those act just like the 7% claiming nothing to do with Christ. This is not an indictment, it is instead, food for thought.
  2. I guess Im a slight bit confused? what exactly is the connection?
  3. p13,
    I'm sorry to see that you missed the point. The connection is people, called Christian, not using the wisdom of God and jumping to conclusions and then smearing the innocent. Followers of God do not act vicious, that is what the followers of Satan do. In the case of George Zimmerman, people, almost all of them naming the name of the Christ, jumped to false and unreasoned conclusions and called him a Racist Murderer. And at Sandy Hook the older brother of the killer was smeared by the media and before anyone had checked for the facts, these same people latched onto the lie and smeared it all over the Internet.
  4. aaah ok. I apologize, I guess I just didnt understand what you were saying. I agree wholeheartedly with you.
  5. Not a problem, I oft wish I was not a knuckle head but I am and in my case, I'm incurable. God had to use a baseball bat on me for bettewr than 22 years.
  6. lol I wouldnt say that. I was just not understanding which is why I asked, thankyou for clarifying. And last I checked, God uses knuckleheads like us to. :D
  7. lol, God bless, my friend.
  8. Taking a human life is vicious. Slandering the innocent is vicious, but less so. A country that delights in "legal shootings" does not deserve to call itself Christian.
  9. Self defense and protecting the innocent are in no way unchristisn if you ask me
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  10. You can't be so eager to kill. That's unChristian!
  11. Who Said anything about being eager to. Just because one is willing to kill to protect the innocent doesn't mean they are eager to. It is important to see the difference and you should learn it before making any such accusations.
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  12. Theo,
    You are young and, apparently, innocent. You are in need of a deep Bible Study. Get your head out of just the commentary, the New Testament, and study the Bible Jesus taught from. The one man described by God as "a man after the heart of God" is the weapon wielding King David. And as you do the study, remember John 1:1-3, Jesus is Yahweh! He is the same God that gave His human bodies life for your reconciliation to His will in battle on the cross.
  13. What exacxtly are you calling "legal shootings"????
  14. And if we read the bbok of Joshua, we see a man walking up to Joshua WITH HIS SWORD DRAWN.
    That man was the pre-incarnant Lord Jesus Christ.

    Makes one wonder dosen't it!
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  15. Please quote the verse and context.
  16. Surely.........
    Joshua 5:13-15
    "And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so."

    Jewish interpreters believe this man was Michael the arch angel. They use Daniel 12:1 as proof. I am no interpreter or scholar but to me it seems clear this is the pre-incarnant Christ who had drawn His sword for battle. Battle is always indicitive of judgment and is so here IMO.

    Joshua knew that this man was not just of God but was that he was God because he would not have worshipped AND if an angel, no angel would have allowed himself to be worshipped.

    The armies of Josuha were going to battle the next day against Jericho. It seems that Joshua needed encouragement and just at the right time Christ comes to strengthen him and show him who is with him!
  17. Thanks. Major.

    Several points you have made:

    a) that Christ had an angelic form, Michael, before His human form many years later, when born as a babe in the manger

    b) battle is a judgment of the Lord.

    I completely agree with a) but cannot accept your conclusion b).

    Many national Israel battles in the OT are supported by the Lord, but as a last choice, not a first choice. Take for example this saga of Jericho.

    Did the Hebrews take the city by sword? No....God had them do something utterly absurd: march and blow trumpets. God's "sword" was used (which I believe were angelic hands) and tore the wall down. It was not an instruction from the Lord to do this:Joshua 6:21
    In this they were overstepping the Lord. They were wrong and still thinking like slaves and pagans, in spite of the mighty miracles done in their favor.

    The most important point of this saga of Jericho was the rescue of Rahab, the only believer in God in this city, a type of all of the redeemed. Was it not God that actually rescued her by pulling down the walls, and NOT the soldiers, killing everything?

    Also...this in no way justifies today's desires for personal weapons: shooting muggers and rapists is a far cry from the concepts of Jericho. American Christians are not the Exodus Hebrews.
  18. I disagree rusty. Yes, they killed everyone in jericho, except for rahab, but this isnt inconsistent with Gods command, they did not go above and beyond Gods commands, God, ordered the Israelites, to kill EVERYONE in the promised land. That includes, the people in jericho. Yes, its not in that specific verse, but the fact is, God told them to kill everyone in deuteronomy, and all He did was take down the walls. So, the natural conclusion, is the Israelites follow Gods commands, and kill the people inside. You notice, that God never condemned them for that, he did curse them because someone took something they wernt supposed to (next chapter). In fact, the only negative consequences really, from the takeover of Israel, was the fact they disobeyed and DIDNT kill everyone. If they had, we wouldnt have so much unrest in Israel today.

    When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
    2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
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  19. Seems to me any killing done by the Israelites as a commandment of the Lord is to cleanse sin. It was not warmongering or pleasure-it was "following orders" like any soldier can understand. The Hollywood stereotype of blood hungry soldiers has been so overplayed that even the soldiers start to believe it-until they are actually faced with that choice. Deuteronomy 9:4-5

    No, we Christians that believe in self defense don't seek pleasure in killing. I am an advocate of non-lethal methods, but you also better know your physical limitations. The older I get the more appealing concealed carry becomes-especially in these times.
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  20. Yes....but that was NOT God's Plan A....This was....

    This was God's preferred way....But the Hebrews failed to uphold their end of the bargain.

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