Is there some urgent need to declare definitively what exactly the wheels in Ezekiel's vision are? I think given the history of what has happened and how many occult practices have been developed through people trying to declare a definitive meaning about Ezekiel's vision, we can discuss it, sure, but we should also be really careful about needing to make any definitive claims about it. That simple line drawing you keep showing -- notice the crown, orb and scepter? We already spoke about where those come from. "Christian" art throughout history (especially the 15th-17th c.) has been very heavily influenced by various pagan elements, like Hellenism and Zoroastrianism. I would be very cautious about how to interpret imagery used in "Christian" art -- wheels and orbs have other specific meanings in those pagan influences, just as the crown/globe/scepter in the picture you keep posting has a specific pagan meaning that has nothing at all to do with anything in scripture. Posting such a drawing as part of your "evidence"... I would caution very strongly against that, given that pagan influences are obvious in those works. Why is it so hard for someone to believe what you claim? Perhaps a more pertinent question for you is, why are these "evidences" so easy to explain in other ways? The wind analogy you used is a great one -- it's effects are seen and felt, but it itself is unseen. In the Hebrew, spirit is "ruach," which means breath or wind. The focus of these qualities is that it is an invisible thing with an effect that can be observed and felt -- but the ruach itself is invisible. I really don't understand why you seem to have this driving need for the wheels to be the Spirit. Why would it even matter? Does it make some difference to the gospel?