'Enemies of the CROSS of Christ'

Discussion in 'Doctrinal Discussions' started by Complete, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. Good thoughts John. I agree with you. It seems that nations, empires and even people dissolve from the inside out.

    Why is that????

    Because sin begins in the heart of man and sin is the destructive force that is in and around us.
  2. Hi @JohnC,

    Thank you for expressing your thoughts on this. I agree with you.

    Philippians is a prison epistle, written by Paul following the revelation of the mystery concerning the Church which is His Body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all. A new dispensation of which Paul himself was the Steward.

    In 2 Timothy 2:17, we have the example of Hymenaeus and Philetus who took truth applicable to a future dispensation and applying it to the one then present, who, in doing so, 'overthrew' the faith of some, saying as they did that 'the resurrection was past already'. Similarly those who insisted on taking what applied to a past dispensation and imposing it upon believers of the dispensation then in place, in doing so denying the work of the cross and it's fulness.

    The believer in this dispensation is made 'complete' in Christ, and spoken of as being, 'accepted in the beloved', quite apart from religious observance of any kind, yet there are those who would deny the fullness of Christ, by imposing additional acts of 'obedience' which they deem necessary, many of them being applicable to a dispensation now passed, which they would seek to apply to this present dispensation, and in so doing deny the absolute fulness of God in Christ Jesus: thus becoming enemies of the cross of Christ.

    Thank you, again, John.
    In Christ Jesus
  3. Hi @Complete ,
    I think you are dancing around the answer with some of the descriptions of these "enemies of the cross". Maybe dancing isn't the right word, but, eh. Your elemental points:
    "Similarly those who insisted on taking what applied to a past dispensation and imposing it upon believers of the dispensation then in place, in doing so denying the work of the cross and it's fulness." And: "yet there are those who would deny the fullness of Christ, by imposing additional acts of 'obedience' which they deem necessary, many of them being applicable to a dispensation now passed, which they would seek to apply to this present dispensation, and in so doing deny the absolute fulness of God in Christ Jesus: thus becoming enemies of the cross of Christ."

    Who in those days had a problem with the cross being introduced into the process of salvation?
    Not the Romans or other unbelievers. Only the Jewish religious oligarchy (for lack of a better phrase) or as @Nanon referred to them as Judaizers, those who were bothering the Galatians about following the law, those who were demanding that Gentiles needed to be circumcised, were the enemies of the cross. They didn't want obedience to the law to wane in comparison to the work of the cross and the saving grace thru faith. In their view, why be Jews then? All of their upbringing was centered on following the law. And now these upstart Christians are saying the law does not even play a part in our salvation? Why, they are not even Jewish! What could they know of God?!? Can't you just hear them bad-mouth Paul?
    "This Paul doesn't know what he's talking about. You know he was stoned. One too many rocks up along side his head! Now, I saw Jesus in the temple teaching and my cousin actually ate the fish and bread that Jesus multiplied for the multitude. So I should know about these things."

    I see these types even today. They want to hold on to traditions which they were raised with even if it interferes with spreading the Gospel and keeps those who are open to learning about Jesus from coming to worship and study services. The "this is not how we do things" people.
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  4. We were crucified in Christ at the cross, Galatians 2:20. Those that preached you had a life of your own, "Paul called them an enemy of the cross."
    You have no life of your own, the only life you have is the "Christ life."

    You have no home life, work life, church life, husband life, wife life, friend life, or any other relationship life you have one life.

    Much of the preaching today (the gospel of correction) tries to straighten out your old life to make all these other life's better.
    Instead of preaching Christ who is are life, and the body suffers.
    You were crucified "in Christ."
    New creations : " in Christ "Old things are passed away;" Second Corinthians 5:17.
  5. So what makes anyone an enemy of God, then you'll see who it is Paul is talking about:

    James 4:4 (KJV)
    Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.​

    - Definition:
    1. hated, odious, hateful
    2. hostile, hating, and opposing another
    a. used of men as at enmity with God by their sin
    1. opposing (God) in the mind
    2. a man that is hostile
    3. a certain enemy
    4. the hostile one
    5. the devil who is the most bitter enemy of the divine government ​

    - Origin: "from a primary echtho (to hate); hateful (passively, odious, or actively, hostile)"

    What is friendship then? According to Thayer, "he who associates familiarly with one, a companion." Jesus said,

    John 14:15 (KJV)
    If ye love me, keep my commandments.​

    So what are these commandments? Jesus said,

    Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV)
    Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.​

    So, who is the enemy of God? Jesus said,

    Matthew 6:24 (KJV)
    No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.​

    Mammon is often mistranslated as "money", but it real Aramaic meaning is confidence in one's abilities. This is why the "1, 2, 3, pray after me" crowd is doing more to send people to hell than the devil. See, the problem is that people are "adding" Jesus to their lives. "He saved me so now I don't have to be concerned about my actions." The false grace message: believe in His mercy and live your own life your own way. These are the enemy of God. See, sin began through willful disobedience by Adam. He chose to do things his way and not God's way. To show men how it's to be done God's way, the Father sent the Son to live in the flesh as a lower-than-the-angels human.

    If we do not cease from sin, cling to Jesus, put off the old man and put on Christ, have the mind of Christ, live holy lives, then, we are the enemy of God because we cannot cease from willful sin. What does the word of God say about willful sin?

    Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
    For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.​

    Even Paul said,

    1 Timothy 1:19-20 (KJV)
    Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.​

    Those that choose their own path and do not obey the Holy Spirit as Jesus did, may very well not even be Christians. But know this, that even true Christians that have turned away from God will have a shortening of their lives and in utter devastation. That is the theme since Adam to John the Revelator,

    Leviticus 11:44 (KJV)
    For I [am] the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I [am] holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.​

    1 Peter 1:16 (KJV)
    Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

    Anyone who watches porn, lies, are rebellious, a glutton, drinks until drunk, hates someone, they're not God's and are not promised anything, for God says,

    Revelation 21:7-8 (KJV)
    He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

    That is the enemy of God. Remember, only 50% of the virgins made it in. Jesus warns,

    Luke 21:36 (KJV)
    Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.​

    This is a very bitter pill to swallow, but it's the truth and I've shown the verses that state this. Be holy.
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  6. #26 Complete, Mar 13, 2016
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2016
    Hi @Big Moose,

    Ha! I did not realise that I was 'dancing around' this subject. :)

    I agree with your response, as I did also with @Nanon's. However, I also think that the point I was endeavouring to make in the entry of mine that you responded to was valid.

    Paul had made known the revelation of the mystery, in his epistles to the Ephesians, Colossians and Philippians, as God's chosen Steward of this new administration, following the laying aside of Israel in unbelief at the end of the Acts period. Following which, we read in 2 Timothy that all in Asia had deserted him.

    This went beyond the Judaisers intent to bind believers to the keeping of the law, that you mention, although obviously it must have been part of it, no, it was more than that, it was the refusal to believe that in Christ, all who believe are 'accepted' and 'complete'. That the observances of past dispensations were no longer a requirement. This included the keeping of the Sabbath day, of water baptism, and the institution of the Lord's supper, for the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ has been made 'complete' in Christ. He has died with Christ, been buried, quickened and raised with Christ, and is now seated in Christ, awaiting his appearing in glory, when he will appear with Him there, to be with Him for ever.

    Even today, this 'completeness', this 'acceptance in the Beloved' is denied, by insisting on the observance of practices made obsolete by the work of Christ. To deny the completeness of the work of God in Christ, is to deny Christ, and make one an enemy of the cross of Christ, I believe.

    In Christ Jesus
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  7. Are you going to be on "Dancing with the Stars"????
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  8. I think the part that so many get hung up in - and it resolves a lot of these sort of questions is....
    Understanding that Sinai is DONE... It's over. It's completely broken by Men... As such - God is under no compulsion to fulfill any more of His end of the deal.... The bit that people can't seem to wrap their heads around is that there are no Do-overs...

    The question for Jews then becomes... "Ok... Allowing that this is true - What now?" and it's truly a reasonable, valid question... That's actually why Paul falls back upon Abraham with God's one-sided covenant... Paul's answer is "We can't break it - so that means it's still in effect...."

    The real issue behind Judaisiers/legalists and their sort is that they truly don't understand the first bit - Sinai is OVER... No matter how good you are - there is no way to work your way back into Sinai... It's long broken and last time I checked - there is no new flaming mountain, new set of stone tablets, and no dinner with the elders of The Nation where God is re-offering another do-over to make up for the 3,000 years of failed attempts at do-overs....

    So - what happens is that instead of a real 2-party covenant, we fall back on one-sided vows to "enter into" our own make-believe "covenant" with God - not realizing that it not actually any sort of covenant.... God has not come to the table offering any sort of promise in exchange for our vow of good behavior or morality or whatnot... Even worse - we are incapable of fulfilling our end of it... and even if we weren't - God has made no agreement either way... so all the morality "earns" you is fulfillment of YOUR vow before God... This is actually what the Jews did back in Nehemiah and Ezra... There was no proper "Covenant" between God and man - simply a set of vows enacted by man....

    So.. What of the Law then? Is it completely useless? No - not by any stretch... It's still "Your wisdom among the Gentiles" (Deuteronomy)... It reveals key information about the nature of God and His creation.... As such deciding to cast it away may have consequences... but a broken covenant cannot promise any pathway to anything much less to mercy, righteousness, or salvation...

    Better to strive to enter into the Promises that Jesus HAS offered to us than to chase after the ones that are long gone.....
  9. I agree with you. Isn't the end of the matter really what Paul knew and preached so hard...........GRACE!

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