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Doctrinal Salvation

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Cosmicwaffle, Jun 2, 2014.

  1. What do you guys think about people who believe Jesus Christ is Lord, but maybe don't have correct beliefs about him or what he said? For example, Catholics and Mormons do and believe a LOT of unbiblical stuff, but they still believe Jesus Christ is their Savior, so does that mean they are saved?

    There are many obscure beliefs within Christendom, so how much does it really affect our salvation?
  2. This is why Paul made it clear that unless a person has the Spirit, they do not belong to Christ. And clearly these groups and others are teaching a DIFFERENT Christ, a different spirit and a different gospel and should never be accepted as having the saving and cleansing grace of Christ...because they CLEARLY do not. Now if God desires to show them mercy at the judgment because they have been mislead by false and seducing spirits? I would rejoice in that, but we cannot approve that which is clearly false, in any way!
  3. #3 Mitspa, Jun 2, 2014
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    2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
    10 ΒΆ If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds
  4. Friend, Catholic believe in the full Word of God. What Catholics do not believe in is Sola Scriptura. There is a big difference. And Catholicism holds big issue with adding and removing to God's word. But we do not believe in Sola Scriptura because, ironically, it is not Biblical.

    We believe in one God, the Father, and His Son, Jesus -- conceived by the Holy Spirt, born of the virgin Mary, suffered and died for our sins and rose again in the third day. We believe in the free gift of grace, the forgiveness of sins, and everlasting life I heaven. We believe one God is deserving of worship and that He left us a Church, a magisterium, through which the Holy Spirit speaks.
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  5. Even muslims believe in god of Abraham (I use small g intentionally).. Does that mean they can also get saved? No!!

    We must remember that salvation is through grace of God.. It is also an act of God.. No level of wisdom, knowledge or understanding can save a person.. Justification is by faith alone.. We should also make not of faith on what.. They all believe in Jesus Christ.. But this statement should be closely examined.. The question is, they believe Jesus Christ as...?? Even demons believe Jesus..

    Does that mean Catholics, Mormons, etc can never be saved? We cannot say that also.. God will have mercy on whom He wants to..

    Personally, I believe Mormons are way off Biblical truth.. And there are many genuine Christians within Catholics.. They just refuse to accept a few things :) The differences are big enough to keep them separated from Protestants.. But there are lot in common which would allow me to include them in the fellowship of Christians..
  6. I have to ask, because it seems Catholics are excluded here as Christians...

    What is Catholicism? What is Catholic teaching?
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  7. Question to me?
  8. To anyone who holds this position. I think it's only fair.
  9. This is what my stand is :)

    there are many genuine Christians within Catholics.. They just refuse to accept a few things :) The differences are big enough to keep them separated from Protestants.. But there are lot in common which would allow me to include them in the fellowship of Christians..
  10. I agree. But there's still confusion since even many Protestants aren't Christians.

    I'm just curious as to what folks here think Catholicism, on the broad scale, teaches. Because I'm not just speaking in regards to a few Catholics here or there, but rather what Catholicism itself is and teaches. What does Catholicism teach? Is Catholicism, but definition, Christian or not? And if not, why not?
  11. All I know is Catholicism has a lot of unbiblical teachings and practices. The whole priest system, mass, prayer and worship of saints are a few.

    They think they are the one true church. And they are supposedly very works heavy.

    This is just what I've picked up so far.

    Mormons are a whole different story.
  12. #12 LysanderShapiro, Jun 2, 2014
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    So far, you haven't even begun to answer the question. My question is this: What is the dogma of the Catholic Church? What does it teach about God, about Jesus, about justification, and about worship? All I read from what you just said is a lot of presupposing, but no real answer. Presuppositions can't be counted as valid.
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  13. I was just telling you what I know, not answering the question.
  14. Would you be willing to answer the question?
  15. I honestly don't know that much about Catholicism.
  16. I really admire your honesty. I think a lot of people would have made up facts. More people should be as honest as you. Also, I think it's common for people to only understand Catholicism based on what someone might say or even the behaviors of some.

    But we have to be fair and look at the source. Would you agree with me that it is unfair to dismiss Catholicism as Christianity when you don't know what Catholicism is?
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  17. Absolutely, I was just starting this thread because I was interested. Hope someone else has some insight.
  18. Well, if you do have questions, I'd be happy to answer them as best I can. I wasn't always a Catholic myself and believed in many misconceptions of what Catholicism teaches.
  19. Unless Im forced into it, I do not debate the RCC...I never seen any results from such debates and it only causes strife and contention...Many of us are from a traditional Protestant view point and the issues are well know to anyone who takes time to do a little study. I say only what the scriptures say."ye must be born-again" and have the Spirit of Christ...I don't accept or reject any that come from this tradition until I see what spirit they are of? All the Protestant fathers where Catholic..and many of my friends have come out of the RCC and come to worship God in Spirit and truth...So if someone don't attempt to force RCC doctrine on me or others? I leave the issue as something that is not always clear...
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  20. This sums it up. If they truly believe in Christ and have him in their heart then they are saved.

    There is only one Jesus. When he comes in your heart it is real. They may have some false doctrine but a false Jesus can not come in your heart as there is only one Jesus.
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