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Dinosaurs On Noahs Ark

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Scott C F, Feb 23, 2014.

  1. Anyone have any thoughts in regards to dinosaurs being on Noahs ark? I believe in young earth creationism therefore I believe they were a part of the animal menagerie taken aboard the ark.
  2. It would be possible, considering the largest dino egg found was the size of a football. Taken young then I imagine you could mash them in there.

    However, not very likely as one of every kind would at least left a few from just 6K years. Another theory is that Noah took one of every kind on his area and God had the larger man eating types on the other side of the globe. God placed man in a specific location, Marine life in specific locations so the majority of the dinosaurs may have been somewhere else and drowned in the flood.

    All speculation of course.
  3. There are a few things to consider. Were the Dinosaurs considered clean or unclean? If clean, then there would need to be seven pairs and that complicates things. If unclean that would make cabin allocation easier.
    One thing to question: There are plenty of Dino fossils suggesting a flood type scenario, but why then are there not similar quantities of fossilized people?
    Could it be that the the Dinos were mostly obsolete by the time of Noah and the flood?
    The flood spoken of in Genesis was global in extent and I'm thinking most bodies would be more or less floating and then eaten by sharks and other fish. The great majority of any 'leftovers' would likely gravitate to the ocean floors and then not be subject to mass fossilization.
    So to recap, it is possible that there was localized flooding...massive mud slides prior to Noah's time whereby the Dinosaurs and some other things became extinct.
    My point is that there is no evidence that Dinosaurs were roaming the Earth after the Flood. Was Behemoth and Leviathan land based animals?? If not, then they were not subject to the sentence of extinction by flood.
    It is often said that there was no rain before the flood, but there is no proof..Only surmise based on Gen 2.
    Then too there are objections raised about death reining for billions of years before the flood. But I am not talking billions of years. But note that from the time Cain killed Abel, death was present so.........
    And further note that Genesis says that "all Flesh" had corrupted itself, not just mankind.
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  4. Hey Calvin... you bring up some good points! Though I would have to disagree on one thing. You say that there is no proof of dinosaurs living AFTER the flood... and yet their are many ancient paintings, depictions, wall carvings, of creatures that look remarkably similar to dinosaurs, from all over their globe. From China to Native American cave art. I personally think that the word 'dragon' can be tied in with 'dinosaur'. The legends of dragons are too widespread to be called a complete myth... and it would be safe to assume that "word of mouth" information passed at a snail's pace in ancient times. Consider the Chinese Zodiac calendar. 12 animals, each year being represented by a specific animal. The first eleven are common everyday animals, dogs, chickens, rats, etc. But the twelfth one is a dragon? It seems suggestive to have one mythical one and then 11 real ones. Now I don't necessarily believed they spewed fire and had reptilian wings. What I believe, as a more accurate rendition of what happened is that these great big beasts were hunted down. The hunter, later retelling the story, simply exaggerates the details... sort like the "big fish that got away" that somehow gets bigger on each telling. Is it reasonable to say that all these ancient cultures were having extremely similar imaginations, some global hallucination? Or that these great beasts WERE seen by humans and they wanted to etch their memory of their encounters into stone. A simple Google search will take you a lot of places...

    One question to consider is: are we asking the right question? Should we be asking how the dinosaurs became extinct OR should we be asking are they extinct? Sure, no one has seen any of them for quite some time... but I think their are some dinosaurs still out there. African tribes have visited our Natural History Museum, and claimed that the animal we call Pterodactyl is an animal found in their African jungles. They found it silly that the sign said, "They became extinct some 60 million+ years ago."
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  5. Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

    Mr Devil here. Same devil God explains to Job about. Leviathan is crooked, not a attribute of normal creatures.

    i am sure there are some dinosaurs running around that we have missed.
  6. Ohh you've seen my ex-motherinlaw?
  7. Were these cave drawings/carvings pre or post flood? I've seen some cave art that might be thought to be of visiting aliens too. But I do not believe in aliens with flying saucers. I have just googled around and found no dino art.
    There might well have been a 'dragon' probably was/is and they might have been saved in the Ark. One dragon does not = hundreds of Dinosaur species....just sayin
  8. the term "Dinosaur" merely means giant lizard and "giant" is a relative term..."dragon" was just the term used at an earlier time...there certainly were large flying reptiles...in the East they are more snake-like...Crocs are giant lizards as are the Komodo Dragons (pardon the spelling)...I read of an Archaeologist in Peru who found some burial pottery from about 700 years ago that has painting of hunters riding triceratop (???) but who knows maybe this is a fraud...anyway, if the total age of the Earth is only 6,000 years old then Noah would have to have taken Dinosaurs (at least baby ones) onto the ark...but then again that makes our time period the Millenium Sabbath (from 6,000 to 7,000)...the second Coming has happened (along with the Rapture), God is here, Messiah is King, and righteousness and peace now rule for 1,000 years...Halelujah!
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  9. Lol... there's a great video online called Ancient Aliens Debunked by Chris White. I think you will find it informative. I don't believe in flying saucers either, but is it unreasonable to think that some dinosaur species existed after the Flood? Jurassic Park makes them off to be vicious killing machines, but you never know... a lot of them were probably herbivores. It's important to know that 'dinosaur' is a modern word that was invented in the mid eighteenth century so it's not likely people would be using that same word through out history. 'Behemoth', 'leviathan', 'dragon', 'big lizard'... these are words and phrases that were likely to have been used. I don't think that cave art would survive the Flood, honestly.
  10. Brother Paul... I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the Millennium Sabbath. It says in Matthew
    24:36, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." There seems to be a great trend going on with people trying to "predict" when the Second Coming occurs... yet, to my understanding, God never intended one to predict when it would happen (aside from the trumpets we are yet to hear).
  11. The "day and hour" cannot be known without a time zone. There are always two days and over 30 hours on the planet and any given moment. We do know when Jesus returns to the earth to rule, 1260 days after the abomination of desolation. So when is that day? 1260 days after the Two Witness start preaching. Total time: 7 years of 360-day years.

    Rev 11:3; Rev 12:6;
  12. The Millennium Sabbath is just another term for the alleged 1,000 years of peace (shalom and shabbat God resting on the 7th day)...a day with the Lord being a 1,000 years unto man...thus if the world is only 6,000 years old now, then we would be i the 7th 1,000 years (hence millennium = 1,000 and Sabbath = rest) a time ruled by righteousness and peace (shalom)...this is not my idea it is one perspective held by many ancient Rabbis and even many of the early church fathers...

    I did not say I believe this...
  13. Revelation 20:1-6 (KJV) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
  14. There is alot of agreement that it is believed that birds descended from the dinosaurs. As mentioned above (Komodo spelled correct) crocodiles, turtles, the cockroach - all have been said to come from dinosaurs. As for birds - wasn't there a dove and a raven?

    They do say the pottery Paul mentioned is a hoax - but someone else pointed out there are like 50,000 stones (not all of which are of dinosaurs) and would take a family of hoaxers over 40 yrs, working 20 hrs. a day to perpetrate.

    Someone explain this constant referred to 6,000 yr. timeline to me as I don't agree with it. And am tired of theory being stated as fact. It does not say, In the beginning, 6,000 years ago... GoBeckli Tepe has been dated over 12,000 yrs ago.

    Just saying :)
  15. I'm much closer in agreement with you on this subject...but "There is alot of agreement that it is believed that birds descended from the dinosaurs. As mentioned above (Komodo spelled correct) crocodiles, turtles, the cockroach - all have been said to come from dinosaurs. As for birds - wasn't there a dove and a raven?" All this members of one phyla BECOMING members of entirely different phyla is a contrived myth (with zero proof or evidence...homology is not science) the actual evidence actually refutes this premise...I do not care how many anti-God scholars (so-called) form consensus, most of them also believe the Universe is self created and that dead non-living matter at least once spontaneously generated life...
  16. I think (?) they found dinosaur fossils caught in amber that had feathers, not scales, and has changed many old views on dinosaurs. I admit, I caught it in passing several times. I know God created the universe, us, and the dinosaurs. There are, of course, rare fossils of man's footprints next to those of dinosaurs. You, knowing more about DNA than I do, and can better say whether any accounts of bird dna and that of dinosaur phyla are wrong or right. The OP was about dinosaurs on the ark. If birds are somehow the descendants of dinosaurs - we can say yes. Also Rhino's, elephants, and crocodiles. The fish they say was extinct wouldn't have been bothered by the flood - so no need to mention the coelacanth.
  17. Well it would be a long stretch to suggest that paintings would survive the flood.....unless they used 'laundry markers';)
    But what I really had in mind was any carvings that might have been done. These I believe might have been capable of surviving the flood if they exist in the first place, (and they likely did).
    What I find more mysterious is the distinction made between clean and unclean animals. Noah was to take seven pairs of clean animals and only one pair of unclean animals (per type). That is fourteen clean animals (of each type) and only two unclean ones (of each type).
    But it wasn't till much later that Moses was told which animals were clean and which were not. How could Noah make sense of that directive then? Was that earlier distinction between clean and unclean the same as the one later given to Moses or was it different?
    Here is an interesting bit from Leviticus...
    Lev 11:29 "And these are unclean to you among the swarming things that swarm on the ground: the mole rat, the mouse, the great lizard of any kind, This translation agrees with the Apostles Bible, or the Septuagint.
    Not wanting to take this discussion off topic, but We could ask how come Cain and Abel were sacrificing to the Lord.....who taught them to do this? Who taught the teachers? Were they the first two offspring of Adam and Eve or were they just the first to make headlines? Was the murder of Abel the second sin to be committed or only the second to make headlines?
    The point I'm getting around to making is that it really doesn't matter how many or how few dinos were on the ark. What is important is that God created, His creation was corrupted.
    Even a washing by flood could not clean up the mess. Nor could confounding our language break our universal covenant with evil.
    Beginning with Gen 12 The Lord began to roll out His program of redemption

    That is the real message of Genesis; not a passenger list for the good ship FB Noah
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  18. How about if we look at the answer to this question by examining what we read in the Word and doing the math?

    The Creation record tells us winged dinosaurs were created the fifth day and the rest were created on the sixth day (that's what I, in faith, believe, maybe others don't), so they had to be in the Ark to fulfill the command of God Gen 7:2-5, there have been studies made as to how many animals were to be called into the ark and it seems 16, 000 animals would meet the requirements of clean and unclean of all the species that existed on the planet.

    There would be large animals like the dinosaurs, elephant, hippo and there would be medium sized animals like the cow, 'roo, sheep, pig and then there would be the small animals like the frog, lizard, birds, if we were to take for an average animal size a sheep and average sheep are 3' long, 2' high and 1.5' wide the total volume of a sheep would be 9 cubic feet, if we multiply 9 cubic feet by 16,000 animals we have a total volume of 144,000 cubic feet.

    The measurements of the Ark were given to us in cubits, if we say a cubit is 18" and using today's units of feet the Ark was 450' long, 75' wide and 45' high, which when multiplied out is 1,518,750 cubic feet.

    We read the Ark had three decks, if each deck was 15' high then a deck had 506,250 cubic feet, 3 1/2 times the volume necessary to hold all of the animals in our illustration of 144,000 cubic feet.

    If we were to say 16,000 animals is too conservative then let's double it, 32,000 animals, 288,000 cubic feet, there is still plenty of room on just one deck with 506,250 cubic feet to house all of the animals, but then we need space for them to move, space for feed and water, plus a penthouse for Noah's family, there's still 1,230,750 cubic feet of space, ...I believe God knew how much room was needed when He gave the measurements of the Ark to Noah.

    Just my two cents.


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  19. Amen! I have to say (and I'm guilty of this myself) all the fuss about discussing the science and logistics of Noah's Ark and the Flood, we tend to miss the also equally important message and symbolism behind it. Noah was about a man with complete obedience towards God, even when faced against an impossibility... Noah stuck it through because of his faith. Does it not say in Genesis that God was with Noah on the Ark? I think this is the reason why the boat stayed afloat... how it was that the family and animals were fed... because God - being life itself - was on the Ark.

    You have some good points about Cain and Abel. Were they the first sinners or the fist ones to make headlines. I've known some people to also make the connection that maybe Adam and Eve weren't the first humans on earth. I don't know if I believe that exactly, but the Bible doesn't exactly say they were the first... just the ones that were mentioned. Who knows? Sometimes it easier just to assume things because the Bible doesn't always elaborate... it's important to make the distinction that our "ideas" are simply that... "ideas"... we can say with some confidence that our ideas might have some real validity... but to think they are Fact because we are attached to them (and because the Bible doesn't necessarily agree or contradict you) is definitely 'no bueno'.

    Also when you said, "Who taught them this?"... I've wondered the same things myself. Men taking wives and kings being crowned seemed to have popped out of the clear blue sky as if it was the only logical conclusion to do so... where does "royal" blood lead back, too? Do kings becomes kings simply because they had a bigger army and wanted to take over... or were they elected because they were good people?
  20. Wasn't Herod a king?

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