Creation of the Universe Serious question. Please do your best to explain this to me. How many members of this Christian forum have ever created a universe? And I'm not talking a metaphorical universe that you build with a loved one, or any other way you could possibly slant this. I'm talking about an actual universe, like the one in which we live. One with living, breathing, evolving organisms; one with protons, neutrons, electrons, planets, stars, atoms, elements, chemicals, asteroids and water. How many times have you created such a universe, that is expanding at the speed of light as we speak--all of which examples have been proven and backed by science, regardless of particular beliefs you may have. Assuming the answer is "None of you" (let me know if that's not the case), then how many members of this Christian forum know how to create a universe, and you are simply reluctant to do so, for whatever reason? How many people here could create a working, functional universe at all like the one in which we live, if so driven or asked? I'll assume the answer to the second question is similarly "None of you." In fact, no one on Earth knows how to create a universe, and no one on Earth--including Jesus--ever has, unless you declare that Jesus is simply God and that God created the universe. Let's set aside Jesus, however. No human on earth has ever been able to understand what God could possibly have "thought" in creating the universe. My point is thus: the universe, with its infinite complexity, would require an infinitely more complex being to create it, if creation is indeed how it came into play. The preservation of the universe, which is MUCH MUCH LARGER THAN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM is thus imperative over the success of a single race--homosapien--on a single planet--Earth. God, therefore, would want its creation to last, but the creation is not Earth or humans: the creation is the universe, in which humans are so small a part that they are essentially negligible. Humans, in essence, are able to do whatever they want, as long as in the long run they ultimately fit God's "plan" for the universe and for Earth as a planet in general, kept in mind that the plan may not be Earth's salvation and may instead be that Earth needs to be destroyed. God, in that case, would not be looking out for us. In fact, unless you know how to create a universe, then you have no idea what goes in to managing one, and you cannot begin to comprehend the complexity involved in a being that would be able to do so. Describing this being with human attributes--love, compassion, jealousy, anger, sadness, and even intelligent--would not be accurate, or even beneficial. This thing could act however it wants, and would clearly not care about whether we want it to or not. We can't describe anything more complex than us, partially because we've yet to come into contact with anything more complex than human beings, but more so because simple logic assumes that the being more complex/intelligent would have access to something that the less intelligent being would not have access to. If we knew what that was, we'd be able to get it, and use it, and would no longer be inferior. We do not understand what is greater than us, and it would be arrogant to assume we are the alphas in the universe. And as for God, if It created the universe, then anything we encounter in this universe, even those beings more complex than us, was created by God, and thus not as complex as God. So if we can't describe the beings more complex than us within our universe, what makes you think you can describe the beings beyond this universe that created those complex beings in the first place? The response is typically "Scripture says so, and those guys were divinely inspired." In other words, "God told us what he's like." First of all, the scriptures are so far from being divinely inspired, as admitted, on several articles, by the Catholic Church itself. But even assuming they were divinely inspired, the mere fact that God told us he is loving, compassionate, intelligent, etc. does not indicate that it is, since telling us it is loving and worthy of worship could indeed be part of a grand scheme in which humans come into contact with a higher, more intelligent race that ultimately destroys us because we put too much faith in God and we thought he'd save us from destruction. This could be tantamount to a joke to God, or an experiment, or a game. Our universe could be the latest in a long line of games our "God" is playing with other gods, or beings of its race, and it might not be the last. Thus, God's intentions are entirely unknown, entirely suspect, and entirely untrustworthy. Thus, there is no reason to believe God has human attributes, and it is very arrogant to assume he is like us. Just because we can make decisions beyond "To exist / To not exist," like most of our "subordinate" brethren on this planet, does not mean we are the greatest beings in the universe, directly modeled after God. In fact, it is ridiculous to assume humans are even the most perfect beings on this planet, since there are countless creatures that live longer than us (tortoises, turkey buzzards, trees, and even some swans), and there are countless diseases only affecting humans right now, including but not limited to the metaphorical disease of arrogance. If there is a God, there is simply no way he is the Christian "grandfather" God (not just in appearance, but also in His loving, caring demeanor); there is no way we can understand its intentions or its beliefs or its IQ level; and there is no justifiable reason, other than Pascal's Wager, to worship such a "deity." And yes, in this case, Pascal would have it spot on: we would be wiser to worship a being that is obsessed with ego, even if it knows we aren't sincere, than to ignore it or hate it. I am curious to see what your responses to this are.