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Contraception Is Anti-l;ife

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by surrendersacrifice, Jan 16, 2013.

  1. Conjugal union is physiologically a procreative act. In this act the couple surrender themselves to the other by physiologically uniting with the other through their reproductive organs. This procreative physiological union, which is only possible between a man and a woman, unites them in a common life, which is marriage. Their union becomes an act of love (which requires sacrifice) when their giving of themselves to the other is complete enough that they have their union open to receiving and raising children.

    When this union occurs outside marriage, those involved are abusing each other’s bodies; because they are uniting their bodies without uniting their lives through marriage. Similarly, when a couple holds back their total giving to one another and to a potential child that might result from their marital act by using contraception, they go against the very purpose of the marital act. Furthermore, contraception means against conception (of a new human being). It is therefore, against human life. Use of contraception therefore makes marital union devoid of love. Furthermore, by divorcing sex from marital love and procreation contraception makes people promiscuous, lustful and selfish. These result in teenage pregnancies, divorce, fornication, incest, and adultery. These in turn result in broken homes, and children with psychological disorders, criminal behavior and immorality.
  2. THis requires a lot more imput and consideration than can be applied here. I think you may be a little short sidded here.

    The two- or three-child families I see in the pews are evidence that birth control is the norm now. It isn’t even discussed because it’s not at all remarkable.

    Consider those women who had a tubal ligation to save their life. What about those women who had extreme phlebitis with four pregnancies. What about those women who had cancer. Who would take care of the other children if she died?

    The absence of lots of children in a marriage IS NOT the absance of love.
  3. Surrender Sacrifice, To be honest, your reasoning seems to be based on some papal teaching or other. But I think...suspect you have mis understood key parts of it. In any event may I suggest that your logic is somewhat worse than Sus.
    You draw the conclusion that contraception is against human life. Now that is a very broad statement to make.
    At best, contraception might be said to be against an unwanted human life occurring. But consider this: if no human life exists, then that non existing human life can not be opposed......can it?
    I'm not going to be drawn into a discussion of catholic teaching. I just thought the erroneous nature of your logic was worthy of mention.
  4. Birth control is morally wrong because you are making decisions which should belong to God alone.
    How many children you should or should not have is His decision, not yours.

    Lack of obedience and humility is a plague on modern Christianity (modern world).
  5. Contraception simply means you can enjoy for the whole month instead of stopping for a week odd without. Contraception is not 100% reliable. IF God really wanted someone to have a child, then divine intervention will see a woman become pregnant even if using contraception.

    Many forms of Contraception were around in Jesus time, if it was such a big deal then why dont we read anything more specific on the topic? Jesus and his disciples could have easily spread the message but we dont read of it, so its not really important issue is it? Now why is that? No doubt someone will cite Onan and how God killed him for spilling his seed, but that was nothing to do with contraception, that was simply for directly disobeying God, as God specificly told him to father a child with his brothers wife.
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  6. Me too!

    Well, actually I am older than that.
  7. This is one of those issues that every Christian couple should be prayerful about. It is no different than eating meat sacrificed to idols as Paul taught. It is NOT abortion as many will advocate.
  8. theres nothing wrong with birth control, unless its used just to let you commit sin without consequence. Me and my wife used birth control the first 3 years of our marriage, because we wernt ready for kids yet, nor could we afford them yet. So yes, we used them. Some birth controls stop it after the egg is fertilized-that I believe is wrong, but if you can find one that prevents it in the first place, then I see nothing biblically wrong with birth control in and of itself. Obviously, one shouldnt be sleeping around, so the best birth control for sex outside of marriage is dont do it. But in the case of married couples who simply arnt ready for kids, I see nothing biblically or morally wrong with it. Using birth control certainly doesnt make it more likely for you to commit crime.
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  9. There is not one shred of scripture which even covers this topic - so how can we be in disobedience to God when His Word (not the word of man) is silent on this matter?
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  10. Been thinking about this a bit yesterday. I'm with Kevin, in that I can't think of any Scripture that specifically prohibits all forms of contraception. Some forms (abortion, morning after pill) do, IMHO, violate Scripture, but I have a hard time seeing methods that prevent conception as violating Scripture. And make no mistake, any abstinence which is timed to avoid conception is also a method of contraception and presumably would then contravene the perogative of God.

    Twice God gave the command to be fruitful and multiply. First to Adam and Eve, who were the only people on Earth, and then to Noah, when there was only one family on Earth. I don't see that as a blanket command for all mankind everywhere forever. I could be wrong, but so far have not seen any convincing arguments otherwise.

    We make decisions all the time with our money, time, and resources. Is having a retirement account unscriptural because it means we aren't trusting in God? How about the money we spend on car insurance, health insurance, crop insurance, disability insurance, property insurance? So, is making a decision about when or how many children to have unique and different from these decisions? Or ought we to rethink all our other decisions? These are open questions, BTW, not rhetoric in the form of questions.

    Frankly, I do think there are trust issues, but I'm not quite on board with the violating Scripture thing yet. Still, I think Surrendersacrifice touches on some good points, some of which I haven't addressed here, well worthy of consideration.
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  11. If there is a Scripture that prohibits contraception, I do not know where it is either Rumely.

    The one used most often is ....................Genesis 38:8-10.

    “Judah said to Onan, ‘Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.’ But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife he spilled the semen on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother. And what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he slew him also”.

    But that is NOT about contraception but disobedience. This was part of the Levitical Law at that time but does not apply to us today.

    The one thing we need to consider is that God gave all of us a brain. The brain gives us the ability to think and reason and make choices. IT IS what seperates us from animals. The brain tells us........
    We can not afford children now.
    My wife's heath will not allow her to carry and deliver a child.

    There are many more reasons why we use contraception.
  12. It is my understanding as stated above there are no scriptures that directly define opposition to contraception.

    There are guidelines for periods of abstinence and physical gratification in 1 Corinthians 7:1-8

    Maybe you can garner some wisdom from there...
  13. I heard that being used to. Just curious though, where in the that part of the Bible (Genesis 38) did God directly tell Onan to go and impregnate his brothers wife? I am having trouble finding it.
  14. now, im going to point this out, we are all debating this, and has anyone noticed the original op has not responded once? its because hes a spammer. He was banned from another site im active on for the same reason. Dont know if that bothers anyone, but I just thought id throw that out there.
  15. Paul says we must all work out our own salvation with fear and trembling - we need to seek God in all areas in our lives and ask His will on matters. Each one of us has a different walk with God, different purposes and plans, we need to sacrifice our lives in seeking His will.
  16. 6 Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. 7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death.
    8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.

    You are correct, that shows importance of checking things before quoting and making statements. Anyway, it was a requirement for him to give his sister-in-law a child, but he did not want to do this, so God killed him for disobedience, part of the disobedience was a form of birth control, but that was not real reason. H but that's like saying its wrong to drive a car if you break the speed limit.

    Had he refused to sleep with her, then God would have killed him too. The best form of contraception is not to do it. If a married couple do not have any kind of sexual relationship is this also wicked and evil as they are avoiding the production of children by practising the most effective form of contraception?
  17. I am at two minds about birth control. I feel we need to consider the fact that it is a 20th /21st century thing. Sure they used certain oils (low margin of success) and chastity belts (keep daughter virgin until marriage) in the past but that is completely different to what we do today. Agricola, you mention there was types of contraception at Jesus time, like what?

    The only reason I feel Christians can justify it, is because in today's world, wives need to work. If our wives didn't need to they could be at home looking after 10 babies :p. Child costs will come right down. Over-population is a fallacy!

    - The bible doesn't need to mention it. We need to justify interference with the natural purpose of our bodies. God never made us with an on / off switch for a reason...?
    - Jesus never spoke on it because He never had sex. Jesus never had babies because He never had sex. Somehow I just can't visualize Jesus using a condom if He was married.
    - Some say that the logic of opposing birth control is like opposing much needed operations, but that is silly. If you can have babies you are healthy. If you can't you need an operation.

    Perhaps sex for a 3 month period and then a year or two break was how God intended it to be? Have we not just got immoral?

    Does it really sound that wrong to not support birth control, unless you are raped? or have a terrible disease?

    Look at it like this. I make windows 2013 and save it onto a flash disc. All I have to do is find a suitable tower port and put it in. Then switch the pc on and bam, windows 2013 is alive, starts installation, then finally setup and running. Birth control is taking that flash disc and destroying it.
  18. wrong reply. please stand by for correct reply1
  19. Well I will not describe a number of methods as I would probably be banned, and i dont want that to happen.

    One popular method, was a version of the cap or diaphragm, the Talmud mentions that women used sponge soaked in lemon juice. Other cultures used similar methods, such as using cotton soaked in various planet extracts . Acacia plants have proved to be very effective as a spermicide

    Early version of The Pill were common, ancient Greeks discovered numerous plants interrupted and in some cases even stopped womens monthly cycles.

    The fact it is not mentioned suggest then that there is nothing wrong with it. If it was such a huge sin and crime, there would be some reference to it. Sure Jesus did not have sex or marry, that would be unthinkable due to his status and what he represented. However, that did not stop Jesus from talking about it, so therefore if contraception was an issue, Jesus would have brought it up.
    Not at all, the church has made sex dirty and something to be ashamed of, however God intended us to ejoy a full physical relationship, otherwise why would this be written to the Corinthains.
    1 cor 7:3-5
    The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

    Birth control for rape=murder.
    disease, sensible precautions to prevent transmission of, but its still contraception which is evil to the Pope.

    Birth control is not destroying anything, its preventing it, a big difference, destroying is murder, prevention is not.
  20. Gen. 38:8-10

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