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Contemporary Christian music - is it honoring to God?

Discussion in 'Books, Music and Television' started by Jeffin, Mar 27, 2006.

  1. Contemporary Christian music - is it honoring to God?

    Contemporary Christian music - is it honoring to God? Should it be used in church services?

    Some fifty or so years ago, dairy farmers discovered the playing of soothing music encouraged cows to produce more milk. Since more milk meant greater profits, farmers began installing sound systems inside their dairy barns. One major dairy producer capitalized on this innovation by advertising "Milk from contented cows."

    Oddly enough, the sweet strains of music very often produce an entirely opposite reaction among Christians. Instead of contentment, hostile disagreements over selections in worship music have become a leading cause of congregational infighting and even church splits! To our shame, there are believers who sulk and fume from their pews if their particular brand of musical tastes is not satisfied. Studies and surveys in churches are showing that music ministers are among the most stressed in Christian ministry.

    Musical tastes are as varied as church members themselves. There are those who love the old hymns while others much prefer a more contemporary flavor. Some music ministers have attempted to appease everyone by blending the old with the new. Other churches offer two separate worship services each Sunday--one being traditional and the other a contemporary service. Still, there are churches that tenaciously cling to old-fashion tradition. I know of a local pastor who is fond of bragging, "You won't hear any contemporary music in our church! We remain true to the old hymns!" What he fails to realize is that even the old hymns were "contemporary" when they were first written! In contrast, I once attended a church in which the music was played at an ear-splitting volume resembling that of an armored vehicle crossing a minefield.

    There are those who argue the old hymns are a tangible link to our past. This is certainly true, for these hymns have surely withstood the test of time. Many of the old hymns, too, are rich in Christian doctrine. The lyrics of Charles Wesley or Martin Luther, as examples, give magnificent instruction in sound Christian theology.

    But can we not make similar statements favoring contemporary Christian music? Yes, we certainly can, for there are some wonderful Christian artists glorifying the name of Christ Jesus with their talents. Should we deny their musical contributions based solely upon the fact their songs are fresh and new? To do so sounds rather legalistic and since when has unbending legalism brought honor to God? Far too often we allow our own personal taste in music to become the standard for what music is glorifying to God. Instead, we should allow, even promote, Christian freedom and grace in musical preferences.

    People are always asking if drums or keyboards or, yes, if electric guitars belong in the church. All musical instruments are, in themselves, neither good nor bad--they are amoral. So the question is this: Does a style of music edify believers while bringing honor and glory to Christ Jesus? If so, then what difference does it make if the accompaniment is provided by a piano or a guitar? Perhaps Ephesians 5:19 is the answer to this issue in that it promotes worshipping the Lord and encouraging other believers in three different "styles" of music, "Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord."

    Reproduced with permission from GotQuestions
  2. So true...all of it.
  3. jeff,
    I agree with you also , music that praises the Lord is something that is a benifit for people and it shows that no matter the melody or how its played the words are what is important, and carries a message.
  4. Christian Rock is Not 'Our' Rock!

    Do you know who said the following?

    "If we continue on this path, respectable,
    industrious and honest, if we fulfill our duty
    faithfully, it is my conviction, the Lord God
    will continually help us in thefuture. He will
    not leave respectable people in the lurch
    indefinitely. He may test them, but in the end
    He lets Hissun shine upon them and gives them
    His blessing."

    Billy Graham? Jack Van Impee? Billy Sunday?
    Dwight Moody? Answer at the end of this post.

    Just because someone mentions the Lord or acts
    like a Christian, does not mean there are following the
    Lord Jesus Christ. The real test is — are they following
    the word of God?

    Jesus Christ says in Matthew 7:15 warns of
    "false prophets, which appear to you in sheep's
    clothing [as a Christian] but inwardly are ravening

    Matt. 7:16: Ye shall know them by their fruits.

    2Cor.11:13: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
    transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

    2Cor. 11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed
    into an angel of light.

    2Co:11:15: Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also
    be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose
    end shall be according to their works.

    2Cor. 11:3: But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent
    beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should
    be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    When I was 'unsaved' I played lead guitar in a lot of New
    York 'Rock' n' Roll' Bands.I can play a Jimmy Page,
    Hendrix, Clapton or any other 'Monster' guitar 'god'
    of that time! I also, would belt just about any song
    I sang by bands like Cream, Hendrix, Led
    Zep., Humble Pie, Steppenwolf, Beatles etc.,
    name it and performed it to the letter!

    I played 'Rock' in many 'gigs' for many years

    I lived the 'Rock' style man!Sex, drugs and rock n' roll, yep
    - they are so right!

    The 'unseen' power on stage you areactually feeling as
    you play rock is incredible! Wisdom as the Bible states
    comes from either God or Satan! James 3:15-17.

    Are there any 'former' 'real' rock n' roll musicians now
    'truly' SAVED, know what I'm talking about?! Can I get
    a witness??!!

    I saw the 'same' spirit' come into Christian 'rock'
    concerts I 'used' to attend with my wife! I heard a
    guy say to me when I was a baby Christian, " Man
    where's the wine and pot?" He got disgusted and
    'rebuked' a very well known Christian band as he
    left the auditorium! I said to my wife, " That brother
    has got discernment! We need to get out too! We
    left and repented! That started my spiritual quest
    into God anointed music!

    Deut. 32:31: For their rock is not as our Rock, even
    our enemies themselves being judges.

    What about Christian 'Rock'?

    You can dilute it, you can disguise it and you can
    soften it up — but it's still ROCK!

    Rock music is rock music! Whether it's soft, hard,
    metal, speed, Christian or grunge!

    Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned
    mine holy things: they have put no difference between
    the holy and profane, neither have they showed
    difference between the unclean and the clean, and
    have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned
    among them. Ezekiel 22:26

    The very name 'rock and roll' is a slang term for
    fornication. One of the first acknowledged rock
    songs was performed by Jerry Tyner and was
    called 60 Minute Man. It was an ode to fornication.

    There'll be 15 minutes of kissin'
    Then you'll holler “please don't stop!â€
    there'll be 15 minutes of teasin'
    15 minutes of squeezin'
    and 15 minutes of blowing my top

    If your old man don't treat you right
    come up and see Old Dan
    I rock 'em, roll 'em all night long
    I'm the 60 minute man.

    A song he played on his guitar . This song speaks
    of the 'virtues of 'sexual intercourse' outside of

    Any 'real' 'rocker' knows the origin of the term.

    Wait a minute brother Joe! What about the 'lyrics' to
    Christian 'rock'? They're Christ centered, aren't they?!

    Let's look at a set of godly lyrics from a popular Christian
    'rock' band.

    'PARTY IN HEAVEN' - Daniel Band

    "There's a party in Heaven/ The bread is unleaven/ The
    tree of life is growin' fine/ It's way past eleven/ My
    number is seven/ The lamb and I are drinkin' new wine...

    Hmmm. Party time in Heaven, huh? Staying up past curfew
    and slopping down a quart or two of cheap wine with Jesus.
    Maybe Heaven's a swingin' place after all. Where's the
    reverence, adoration and 'awe' for the Lord Jesus Christ?
    Where's the fear of God?

    Heb. 10:27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment
    and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    Heb. 10:31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of
    the living God.

    Now contrast those blasphemous lyrics to the famous
    Satan-anthem by AC-DC "Highway To Hell":

    "Don't need a reason/ Don't need a rhyme/ Ain't nothin'
    that I'd rather do/ Goin' down/ Party time/ My friends are
    gonna be there too/ I'm on the highway to Hell..."

    The message is the same in BOTH songs. No matter
    where you turn up on the other side, it'll still be one
    big party, dude. Is it any wonder Christian youth are
    wallowing in ridiculous carnal compromise?

    Rom. 8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to
    be spiritually minded is life and peace.

    Compare the above so-called 'Christian' lyrics to
    a beautiful songspeaking of our Savior's sacrifice!

    'My Redeemer' by Philip Bliss

    I will SING of my Redeemer,
    And His wondrous love to me;
    On the cruel cross He suffered,
    From the curse to set me free.

    You can understand the lyrics, it's anonited and it's ............
    'scripturally' based!

    I started to listen and buy 'Christian rock tapes
    and albums. It really was due to I believe the
    'peer' pressure from my Christian friends. After
    being a 'rock' star of sorts

    [My Band 'The Kreem-Cheeze Explosion' was so tight
    and we were all accomplished musicians, We made
    a demo. and our mananger sent it to the Jackie Gleason
    and Mike Douglas Shows. They wanted us! But God
    blocked it somehow! I know that now!

    The demo.mysteriously dissapeared!] that 'old'
    feeling of you,know- 'rockin' out was 'sneaking'
    back into my life with what I thought was 'godly'

    For three years I only listened to Praise, Worship
    and Old Gospel singers like Tennesee Ernie Ford,
    Mahalia Jackson etc., the 'trap' was 'subtle',
    not overnight!

    In the world of biology, we are given the example of
    a frog that when placed into boiling water, will
    immediately jump out. However, if that same frog is
    put into a bowl of cool water which is slowly heated
    by a bunsen burner, the frog will eventually boil
    to death!

    Why? Because, It became 'desensitized' to the 'gradual
    increase of heat until it was 'too' late!

    That's what has happened with 'The New Song' Christian
    music is supposed to have! The church has become
    'desensitized' to the 'trash'that's being promoted by
    'unsaved' record producers and'carnal' if not 'deceivers'
    'false brethren' laughing, mocking and making a 'buck' from
    good, honest, God loving Christian brothers and sisters
    of the 'Cross'!

    2Cor. 2:11: Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we
    are not ignorant of his devices.

    Remembering the example of the frog, the water, and the
    bunsen burner: the devil first turned on his bunsen burner
    when he introduced "Christian" contemporary music into
    the church. Within this scope of music there were many
    areas of "grey" as the church lightly began to assimiliate
    the style and sound of the devil's rock and roll music.

    The bunsen burner continued to burn and the water
    slowly heated up. Next, Satan slowly introduced hard
    rock and roll into the churches. Once this religious
    rock and roll gained acceptance the devil turned up the
    flame on his bunsen burner. He then brought in religious
    heavy metal, religious acid rock, religious new wave, and
    religious punk rock. Again since Satan did it slowly, he
    was able to gain acceptance for his demonic music.

    Today the water is boiling and many in the church have
    accepted his deception. Pastors and church leaders,
    who ought to know better, bring this filth into their
    churches believing the deception that God can use
    this evil for His glory.

    "Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye
    say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say,
    Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the
    Lord, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the
    God of judgment" (Malachi 2:17).


    I noticed when I worked in a Christian guitar shop for
    5 1\2 years here in Houston, Texasselling,demonstrating
    and repairing them. I would fellowship with 'heavy' Christian
    'rock' band members. They all had * 'long'hair, weird clothes
    and and were talking worldly. They really 'weren't winning
    anyone to Christ! They were now Christian 'rock' stars and
    Jesus took a backseat!

    1Cor. 11:14: Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a
    man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

    Blatant rebellion to God's Word! Long hair on a man really
    started with 'Shamans'! Usually the occultic North American
    'medicine man'!

    Shaman, def. In societies practicing shamanism:
    one acting as a medium between the visible and spirit worlds;
    practices sorcery for healing or divination

    Rom. 12:2: And be not conformed to this world: but be ye
    transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may
    prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect,
    will of God.

    The Bible says we as Christians are 'not' to look, act, talk, live,
    or play...'music'... like the world in order to reach and 'save' the
    'Lost'! Can you see Paul the Apostle 'rocking' out with long
    hair and ripping out a 'biting' 'riff' on Fender Strat. for King
    Herod to win him to Christ??!!

    I started really pressing in, seeking God, fasting and studying
    His Word. He showed me the evil 'subtlety' Satan was 'praeching'
    to Christians, especially young and impressionable ones. He
    told me to look at the 'Fruit' of Christian Rock! I did and it made
    me sick! When I repented in tears and threw away my 'Petra',
    White Cross, Bride, Stryper, Dion, Bob Dylan and the rest- I felt
    a tremendous 'weight' lift from me and I was free in another
    area of my walk with the Master! Halleluhia!

    Some of the same Christian 'rock' stars I had met were now
    'shipwrecked' in the 'Faith' and confused! The others who
    heard the Holy Spirit, repented, listened to non- Christain
    'rock' and their walk with God flourished!

    While working at the shop I met the 'leader' of the 'Christian'
    'rock' band 'King's X'! Ever hear of them? If you haven't, your
    not a 'hardcore' Christian 'rock' affectionado! The drummer, is
    aa on-fire, 'flaming' homosexual that has been quoted as saying,
    "I 'hate' Christians telling me God condemns the sin of being
    gay! I don't want Christianity, I just want to be gay and play
    my music!"

    The following is the names of Chrsitian 'rock' groups we have

    CCM artists have followed the same downward path, moving
    away from names that describe their relationship with a savior
    to names that are more descriptive of their desire for
    self-glorification. With bands called Bumblepuppy, Blame Lucy,
    Eat the Menu, Eden Burning, Jaberwocky, Mental Destruction,
    Plankeye, Saviour Machine, Six Feet Deep, Velvet Hammer
    and Spooky Tuesday, One Bad Pig, King's X, Rez. Band etc..

    One wonders what serious relationship these singers could
    possibly see between their 'music ministry ' and the preaching
    of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Why do Christian band albums have 'occultic and witchcraft' signs
    on them? I was also a former 'warlock', male witch, so I know the

    The band Third Day has on it's album cover called 'Time' a 'lazy'
    eight or commonly called the 'infinity' sign.

    To occultists, it represents Lucifer's eternal victory. It also
    symbolizes reincarnation and karma. . . It's also used in the
    brimstone symbol and appears at the top of the Nine Satanic

    It is also found floating above the head of the magician on
    the tarot card.

    Third Day's Time album was the 2000 Dove Awards Rock
    Album of the Year!

    Third Day's album 'Come Together' also advertises another
    occult symbol.

    The symbol is a variation of a very common occult symbol
    known as the "winged disk" or "winged globe". Like the
    infinity symbol, found on Third Day's Time album, the
    winged disk is also on the rock group Journey's albums.

    "The Evolution album [by Journey] and at least two others
    by the group, depict the 'winged globe' which signifies a
    demon deity and the omnipresence of the sun go Ra.

    "The winged disk was used throughout the centuries to
    represent the supreme god of other pagan cults and
    societies. It was the symbol for the baal
    [devil] god during the Jezebel's reign."

    The inside of Third Day's "winged globe" is also very
    interesting. According to the Dictionary of Symbols it is
    an "ing rune" and "an ideogram for the moon god".
    Moving on to 'Michael W. Smith'.

    Inside Music, (Jan/Feb 91), describes a Michael W. Smith
    concert, “His concerts draw hundreds of thousands of
    fans each year, mostly teenage girls who scream out their
    affection for him non-stop throughout. To his fans, Smith
    is the absolute greatest there is, bar none.â€

    The continual excuse of the Christian rockers is they're
    trying to reach the young people with the gospel of
    Jesus Christ by using rock as a tool.

    Here's what a secular reporter in The Birmingham
    News wrote after watching a Michael W. Smith

    "If you weren't familiar with Michael W. Smith's standing
    in the world of contemporary Christian music, you might
    attend one of his concerts and come out none the wiser."
    (The Birmingham News, Feb. 12, 1993 p. 5c)

    Amazing! After Michael W. Smith's concert, there was not
    even enough of God for the lost world to even know this
    "so-called CHRISTian star" was a Christian! What a pitiful
    testimony for a Christian!

    How are you going to reach the young people with the
    gospel of Jesus Christ when they can not even tell you
    are a Christian!

    A Christian is supposed to be peculiar (1 Peter 2:9),
    pure (1 Tim. 5:22), clean (2 Cor. 7:1), sanctified
    (1 Cor. 6:11), separated (2 Cor. 6:17) and holy
    (1 Peter 1:16). But not according to Michael:

    ". . .you're always going to have those very very
    conservative people. They say you can't do this;
    you can't do that, . . . you can't drink; you can't
    smoke; . . . It's a pretty bizarre way of thinking
    " Michael W. Smith (The Birmingham News, Feb.
    1993, p.1B)

    God help us! What a wicked, rebellious and
    ungodly statement!

    Why does Mr. Smith, have his name 'spelled'
    backwards on his 'The Big Picture' album cover??!!

    One of the first signs of satanism is writing backwards.
    Aliester Crowley, the guru of modern satanism
    (and mentor of many rock groups like Beatles) taught
    in his magic handbook, Magick in Theory and Practice
    for the occultist, ". . . let him learn to write backwards. . ."

    ". . .train himself to think BACKWARDS by external
    means, as set forth here following.
    (a) Let him learn to write BACKWARDS. . .
    (b) Let him learn to walk BACKWARDS. . .
    (c) Let him. . . listen to phonograph records REVERSED
    (d) Let him practise speaking BACKWARDS. . .
    (e) Let him learn to read BACKWARDS. . ."

    Ever hear of backward masking on a record?

    Something else very alarming is in "Michael W Smith".
    The "M" in Michael and the "T" in Smith is part of the
    Runic (runic means secret) alphabet used in witchcraft
    and satanism!

    Michael W. Smith's Christmastime album has the most
    bizarre album cover I have ever seen. Michael W. Smith
    is simply standing on a chair in some weird stance.
    What in the world is he doing?

    Michael was "runing". He was forming the runic "T"
    and the bottom of the chair (we enclosed it in red) is
    forming the runic "M"! It is clearly taking place!
    Unbelievable! Is he telling 'other' Satanists and witches
    who he 'really' is??!!

    How about Michael W. Smith's song "Love Me Good"?

    What's so ironic about the GMA's "canning" of Smith's
    song "Love Me Good" as the coveted Dove
    "song-of-the-year" is that it was the best-selling CCM
    single in 1998. It was Number One on AC and CHR
    Christian radio. And get this — Smith opened the
    Dove Awards last year with guess what song —
    You guessed it — "Love Me Good"!

    It should be canned (along with about 99% of CCM)
    as being non-Christian! Here's some of non-Christian
    "Love Me Good":

    Sometimes I feel like this world
    Is just one big, gigantic merry-go round
    You gotta hold on tight
    Or you get hurled thru the air
    Yea, life is a 3 ring circus
    With clowns and freaks and camels and such
    And you never know when you might be attacked by
    the bears

    Give me love, give me love
    Love me good

    Yep! Sounds just like brother Philip Bliss's 'My Redeemer'!

    Hey Mike, what does this 'stupid' song have to do with
    the Lord Jesus and our walk with God???!! Nothing!!!

    Also, "canned" by the GMA was Sixpence None the
    Richer's "Kiss Me" and Wes King's "Thought You'd Be

    Before some of you get excited and think CCM and the
    GMA is "cleaning up their act", of over 1600 entries
    only 13 were disqualified. Not only that Michael W. Smith,
    received 10 other nominations that were not "canned".
    Only the highly-visible "song-of-the-year".

    GMA [Gospel Music Association] President Frank Breeden
    stated this about the wonderful name of Jesus Christ:

    "I would caution people not to assume that this is a
    restrictive force. I hear these debates saying, 'Do you
    want us to put Jesus every other word?' Of course not."
    Of course not! We don't want too much of the Lord Jesus
    Christ in the lyrics! As we have documented many times,
    one of CCM's mission is to remove the Lord Jesus Christ
    from Christian Music!

    And you Christians reading this post now are still buying
    and suporting your 'carnal' possibly 'false brethren's'
    musical 'trash' in the Name of the Lord! Even after the
    President, top honcho of gospel music says their goal
    is " to remove the Lord Jesus Christ from your CCM
    music!!! God help us!!!

    Philp. 2:9: Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him,
    and given him a name which is above every name:

    Philp. 2:10: That at the name of Jesus every knee should
    bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things
    under the earth;

    Philp. 2:11: And that every tongue should confess that
    Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    What about 'soft' Christian 'rock' like 'Point of Grace'?

    Believe it or not the CCM group, Point of Grace include
    on their album Life, Love and Other Mysteries the Earth,
    Wind and Fire song "Sing A Song"!

    I kid you not! It is there! Check it out. Remember the
    album note we previously read where Earth, Wind
    and Fire boasted about "conjuring up" their music?
    One of the devil conjured songs on that particular
    album is "Sing a Song". Wow!

    Let me also remind the reader that for every Life, Love
    and Other Mysteries sold by Point of Grace a percent or
    royalty is paid to Earth, Wind and Fire for the use of their
    music. Every time a Christian buys Life, Love and Other
    Mysteries, they are financing the occult message of
    Earth, Wind and Fire. And make no mistake, Point of
    Grace is a merchant advocate for Earth, Wind and
    Fire – and their message!

    I found other 'stuff' on Christian albums that made me
    want to 'puke' and you'd have to see it to believe it!

    Christian........ 'Rock'??!! Hmmm! 'Oxymoron' def.
    Conjoining contradictory terms (as in 'deafening silence')

    The secular world knows who is the "god of rock..."

    Rock star David Bowie said, "Rock has always been

    So then, 'rock', Christian 'rock' is sensual, wordly and of
    the 'flesh'? ... Yep!

    Rom. 8:7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
    for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

    James 4:4: Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that
    the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever
    therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

    Secular rock bad girl Lita Ford, said, "Listen, rock’n
    roll AIN'T CHURCH. It’s nasty business. You gotta be
    nasty too. If you’re goody, goody, you can’t sing or play it. . ."

    Even secular Time magazine, about Contemporary
    Christian Music titled the article,
    "New Lyrics for the DEVIL'S MUSIC".

    See? Why would 'Petra' do a 'cover' of a degenerate band like
    Argent's 'God Gave Rock and Roll To You'! God gave rock n'
    roll to us?! I thought He gave us the Holy Spirit?! Why would
    they say that? Check your albums! There it is! By the way, 'Kiss'
    remember them?! They made that song one of their 'anthems'!

    dc Talk does another ungodly 'cover' of the Doobie Brother's
    [ One of my favorite 'rock' bands'] song- " Jesus is 'just alright
    with me'. Huh?! 'Just' alright?! He's not the King of Kings and
    the Lord of Lords?! Just, def. 'baerly', fair', hardly and merely.!

    Know what a 'Doobie' is? A joint! Pot! What a Christian witness!

    Sounds like 'Blasphemy'! Jesus 'is not 'just' alright', He is the Son
    of the Living God who gave His life for His people!!

    Matt. 1:21: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his
    name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    Mark 9:39: But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man
    which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil
    of me.

    Christian, a lot of companies that support your favorite Christian
    'idol'.. uh.. I mean music group or performer, are not 'Christian'
    at all! They are wordly and devilish promoters who are in for the
    buck, 'Not God!' That's why the 'message' is so garbled,
    undistinguishable' and 'watered down'! Most of the time it's the
    same 'commercial' sound with no 'Jesus', His name ever even
    mentioned! Let alone His BLOOD AND CRUCIFIXION!

    Psalms 30:4: Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give
    thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.

    The word is 'compromise'!

    Why?! Because everytime A Christian' artist plays a 'stinking'
    'cover' song of a 'wordly' group that 'royalty' goes to the wordly
    group and promoter! They have the money, 'SIN' sells, so they
    bought out 'most' Christian labels!! Shocked?, Surprised?..... I
    was! Until I did some digging!

    dc Talk:

    Here's how Dallas Morning News, (April 27, 1996)
    describes a DC Talk "Freak Show" concert:

    "As teenagers' shrieks filled the Dallas Convention
    Center moments before dc Talk took the stage Friday
    night, one of the relatively few grown-ups in the
    sold-out crowd observed,
    'This is just like the BEATLES."

    The biggest anti-christ and sacriligious rock band that
    ever was, next to the 'Stones'!

    Beatles were ardent followers of Allistair Crowley,
    father ofSatanism! What a comparrison for a so-called
    Christian band!

    Philp. 3:18: (For many walk, of whom I have told you
    often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are
    the enemies of the cross of Christ:

    Philp 3:19: Whose end is destruction, whose God
    is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who
    mind earthly things.)

    BELIEVE IT OR NOT — in Time magazine dc Talk's
    Kevin Max says of Marilyn Manson, "I'd LOVE to HANG
    with him and discuss '80s music".

    Rock star, Marilyn Manson, proudly boasts:
    "Hopefully, I’ll be remembered as the person who
    brought an end to Christianity." (Spin Magazine)

    Manson, an ordained "reverend" in the Church of Satan,
    mutilates himself on stage (1 Kings 18:28), rips-up the
    Holy Bible, and spews "blasphemies" against the
    Lord Jesus Christ. Manson’s T-Shirts declare, "KILL
    YOUR PARENTS" & "I LOVE SATAN". One of Manson's
    album is titled Anti-Christ Superstar, Manson claims
    Antichrist Superstar came via "supernatural-inspiration":

    The Bible says PLAINLY in Ephesians 5:11:
    And have NO FELLOWSHIP with the unfruitful works of
    darkness, but rather reprove them.

    And Kevin Max wants to 'rub' shoulders with this 'freak'??!

    He didn't state 'anywhere' in the article in 'Time' that he
    was 'fasting, praying and longing to 'win' Manson to
    Christ! Prov. 11:30.

    And don't hand me this Jesus Christ "fellowshipped" with
    sinners line. Jesus Christ NEVER "HUNG" with people who
    perverted and hated God! Jesus Christ rebuked them!
    Jesus Christ said to the Pharisess in John 8:44:

    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
    ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
    not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When
    he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar,
    and the father of it.

    When the Apostle Paul met the sorcerer Elymas in Acts 13.
    Paul didn't "HANG" with him. The Apostle Paul rbuked him!

    8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation)
    withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.

    9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost,
    set his eyes on him,

    10 And said, O full of all subtlety and all mischief, thou child of
    the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease
    to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

    Not surprizingly, Toby McKeehan of dc Talk, blatantly says in
    USA Today, "Sometimes, being labeled a Christian band, we
    consider that a NEGATIVE. . ."

    Rom. 10:11: For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on
    him shall not be ashamed.

    By the way:

    "Jesus Freak" was directed by an Englishman named
    Simon Maxwell.
    And who is Simon Maxwell? Simon Maxwell is video
    director for the satanic and blasphemous Nine Inch Nails!

    DC Talk openly admits to watching one of Nine Inch Nails
    videos, and liked Maxwell's style. "We had seen some of
    Simon's work with Nine Inch Nails", says DC Talk vocalist
    Toby McKeehan.

    (Billboard, November 11, 1995)

    I guess dc Talk don't really 'know' God's Word and warnings?!

    2Cor. 10:5: Casting down imaginations, and every high thing
    that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing
    into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

    Have you seen the "ultra-blasphemous" video "Closer"
    by Nine Inch Nails? It shows a monkey crucified on a cross!

    A reporter for the San Diego North Country Reader, who
    was sent to cover a dc Talk "Freak Show" 'Christian'
    concert made these not-suprizingly, but sad words of
    testimony from some young people, ". . . we both laughed
    during the buildup for the encore of "Purple Haze/Jesus Freak"
    as several young booty shakers cried, almost in unison,

    'These guys are the s*@!, man.'"

    How about some of the rest?!

    Amy Grant:

    "What we're trying to do is take Christian principles and
    make them understandable. Even if it doesn't say Jesus,
    it doesn't matter. . .
    " (Rolling Stone magazine)

    "Lyrically, the only difference between Amy Grant love songs
    say, those of Olivia Newton John, is that often Grant's
    pronouns come with capital letters..."

    Steve Taylor:

    "Our concerts attract people because they know they
    won't be preachy or insult their intelligence."
    (Peters Brothers, What About Christian Rock, p. 138)

    (In other words, according to Steve Taylor, if you tell
    someone they're going to hell without Jesus Christ –
    to Mr. Taylor that's insulting their intelligence – no
    wonder Mr. Taylor has such a low opinion of Jesus Christ,
    as he would write a song titled"Jesus is For Losers";
    Jesus Christ is for SINNERS. Bill Gates may not be a
    LOSER, but he is certainly a SINNER.)

    Michael W. Smith

    "My songs are not preachy - at all . . ." (Michael McCall,
    Contemporary Christian, June 1986, p. 19).

    ". . . So I've made a definite decision now that I'm no longer
    in the Sandi Patti kind of groove. I love Sandi. I think her
    music is great, and she needs to do her thing. But my goal
    is not to speak to the church. I want to talk to the kids and
    address the whole peer pressure thing." [No Jesus] (CCM,
    June 1986, p. 18)

    Here's what a secular reporter in the Birmingham News
    wrote after watching a Michael W. Smith concert:

    "If you weren't familiar with Michael W. Smith's standing
    in the world of contemporary Christian music, you might
    attend one of his concerts and come out none the wiser."
    (The Birmingham News, Feb. 12, 1993 p. 5c)

    Stan Moser, former head of Word Records (the man
    responsible for signing Amy Grant) and CEO of Star

    Song Records, was one of the pioneers and most important
    executives in CCM. And after 26 years in CCM, in November
    1995, walked away from CCM. In an article in Christianity
    Today, titled "We Have Created a Monster" about CCM
    Mr. Moser freely admits:

    "But to be candid, I look at the majority of the music I hear
    today and think it's virtually meaningless." (Christianity
    Today, We Have Created a Monster ." )

    Leslie Phillips:

    "People are tired of Christian songs that are only praise
    and worship.
    The church forced the 'old' taste in music on kids. We're
    breaking the
    stereotype." (Carol Leggett, Amy Grant p. 112)


    "We're not religious fanatics who are trying to convert
    everybody we
    meet. . .We honestly believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior,
    but we're
    about the most unreligious Christian band you could imagine. . . "
    Robert Sweet, of Strvper (Hit Parader magazine)

    Holy Soldier

    "We're just trying to show that it doesn't need to be
    pretentious or preachy to be Christian."
    (CCM, magazine)

    Wayne Watson

    "There's one way I won't write. I won't write a song that
    says, 'You better get right with God.' From my own experience
    I find that way sometimes makes people defensive. . . "
    (Christian Activities Calendar, Spring/Summer, 1989)

    Sandi Patti:

    "Music is a very powerful force. . . Why can't we take that
    powerful force — music — put positive lyrics [Not Jesus] to it
    and begin shaping values that way.?"
    (Charisma magazine)

    She committed adultery, had a baby with another man while
    getting a 'Dove' award!

    Stryper, among other 'long hair Christian 'rock' bands had
    the long hair garbage that the Bible unequivocally

    I had long hair passed my shoulders! I wore it for years as
    an 'unbeliever'!

    The moment I got 'saved' I wanted to change my looks!
    When I viewed my 'driver's' license at my apt. I said out
    loud- " Who is this guy?! I don't look like that anymore!"

    The next day I went and got a 'real' manly looking hairstyle!
    Praise God! I was BORN AGAIN!! And so was my 'musical'
    tastes! I didn't want to hear that 'demonic' 'beat' that
    dominated mt life for so long!

    I prayed and fasted and God opened my understanding
    to what 'He' accepts, anoints and calls 'real' Christian music
    confirmed by 'His' Word and not in the wisdom of mere men!

    1Cor. 2:5: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom
    of men, but in the power of God.

    With long womanish hair, earrings, mascara, lip-gloss, eye shadow
    and effeminate clothes, Stryper demolished any convictions left in
    Christian music! How Christians tolerate such ungodly behavior
    is frightening! And despite the Bible's clear warnings!

    1 Corinthians 6:9 says ". . . Be not deceived: neither fornicators, . . .
    NOR EFFEMINATE, . . . shall inherit the kingdom of God."

    The demonic creatures from the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:8
    are described as "their faces were as the faces of men. And they
    had hair as THE HAIR OF WOMEN. . .

    Seems Little Richard, another so-called born again believer,
    and one of the 'architects of 'rock n' roll' said this!

    "My true belief about Rock 'n' Roll - is this: I believe this
    kind of music is DEMONIC. . . A lot of the beats in music
    today are taken from voodoo, from the voodoo DRUMS."

    Interesting the Bible is 'silent' on drums in praising Our
    Lord!! Hmm!! Wonder why??!! How many times have you
    heard 'pastors' shout - " Praise him loudly on the 'drums'!"

    Not scriptural!!! Philp. 1:10: That ye may approve things
    that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without
    offence till the day of Christ;

    1Thess. 5:21: Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

    Amen! It's that driving, searing demonic 'beat' backed up
    by loud thrashing electric guitars that's the power of 'rock'
    man! I know it first hand!!

    " You can feel it, actually feel this extreme, explosive type
    wave of 'demonic' energy moving out from you, the guys
    and the stage, like giant 'tenticles' reaching out and grabbing
    the 'zombie-like' listeners! " Joe Russo.

    This has been told to me by dudes I met over the years who
    'truly' got 'saved', Baptized in the Holy Ghost and were ....
    delivered, from so-called Christian 'Rock'!! AMEN!!


    Webster dictionary defines "blasphemy" as "lack of reverence
    for God." Blasphemy saturates Christian rock, such as the
    blasphemous "humor" of Carman Dominic Licciardello, better
    known as Carman. His blasphemous, street-jive, dialogue
    between John the Baptist and Jesus Christ as teenagers on
    his video Live. . . Radically Saved is digusting! Here's a
    sample of Carman's blasphemy:

    JOHN: "Hey man, Hey cuz, Whatchoo doin man? I ain't seen you
    in a long time. HEY, BABY." (John calling Jesus baby!) Jesus
    turns and says, "Hey, what's up, John?" See, Jesus is always
    cool; he's always together. He's got his thing together, y' know,
    Then Carman blasphemously imitates the Lord Jesus Christ
    walking hip-jive doing what Carman calls "THE MESSIAH WALK".

    JOHN: "This is wild, brother, now I don't know. Man, I never had
    anybody in my family MAKE IT BIG . . ." Listen to it.
    Jesus "MADE IT BIG"? Jesus Christ died a curse for sinful man!
    See Gal. 3:13, 2 Cor 5:17! Jesus Christ was "despised and rejected
    of men" (Isa 53:3). Is "MAKING IT BIG" being beaten, smitten, spit
    upon, mocked and crucified?

    Now, in your wildest dreams, could you possibly imagine the Apostle
    Paul referring to the Lord Jesus Christ as J.C.? Here's what the Apostle
    Paul says about the name of Jesus Christ in Philippians 2:

    Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a NAME
    [not the initials J.C.!] which is above every NAME: That at the NAME
    of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
    earth, and things under the earth; Philippians 2:9-10

    Shout! magazine says of Carman," ...just the mere mention of his
    name brings excitement to throngs of fans, many of whom are women.
    " According to Shout!, Carman recently signed with secular record
    company, Liberty Records, for a mid-seven figure bonus —
    folks that's around 5 million dollars! Oh, of course,

    Carman's doing it because he loves the Lord... And that ol'
    PHARISEE HYPOCRITE Carman ridicules other rock stars for
    charging at their concerts in Shout! and he signs with
    a secular company for a mid-seven figure bonus to spew out
    his BLASPHEMY! Boy! You talk about the pot calling
    the kettle black!

    Rom. 6:1: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin,
    that grace may abound?

    I know this is making a lot of you very uncomforatble reading
    this post, but as the coming f Christ draws ever so near my
    friend don't you want to be 'Free and found in Him 'blameless'
    and not a partaker of 'their' evil deeds?!

    2John 1:9: Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the
    doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine
    of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

    2John 1:10: If there come any unto you, and bring not this
    doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him
    God speed:

    2John 1:11: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker
    of his evil deeds.

    You pray, you fast, you.. Christian.. you seek God on your
    bed and cry over His Word! Is this the music that will bring
    thousands to Christ as their Savior and Lord as reported?!

    Is this the music 'the beat' that will satisfy your 'flesh' or
    do you want to constantly bathe your spirit in Worship
    and Praise music that 'truly' and continually nourishes
    and 'refreshes' your spirit?!

    Once you're 'set free' from Christian 'rock' your walk with God
    will be 'strong', stable and God will put a 'Real' New Song in your
    heart according to 'His' Word!! Amen!!

    1John 3:2: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth
    not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he
    shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    1Jo:3:3: And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth
    himself, even as he is pure.

    It 'won't be easy! They'll say you're 'legalistic' like they told me!

    I prayed for them and one by one God convicted them and they
    received the 'Light' of God for understanding from the scriptures.

    Eph. 1:18: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that
    ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of
    the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

    Gal. 5:24: And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh
    with the affections and lusts.

    Rom. 12:2: And be not conformed to this world: but be ye
    transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove
    what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

    May we have the the true 'Boldness, Holiness and the Word
    of God' to stand up at one of Satan's most defiant and 'subtle'
    deceptions that have 'crept' into the ranks of the church!!

    Revelation 2:24c "which have not known the depths of Satan,"

    What's the 'fruit' of Christian 'rock'? Here's a couple of real
    testimonies I found!

    "'Christian rock' has hindered my life because the only
    difference between 'Christian rock' and secular rock is
    the words. The beat, rhythm, and the melody are not
    different; they are the same.

    "It does not matter whether I listen to secular or
    'Christian rock,' when the songs are over, I feel the same.
    I feel an emptiness in my soul, a heavy burden. Even
    'Christian rock' sometimes makes me feel like going out
    and getting rowdy or even hurting someone else if they
    provoke me, and that is against all of God's teachings,
    and everything God stands for. So get rid of all rock!!!"

    A Twenty-One-Year-Old Student From Michigan

    "'Christian rock' had made me a shallow, rebellious young
    Christian. It made it easy for me to get into regular rock
    music. When I finally submitted to God and got the rock
    music out of my life, I was able to see the double standard
    that is lived out by 'Christian rock' musicians.

    " 'Christian rock' does not praise God and it is worse
    than regular rock because I think it is hypocritical.
    Rock is wrong and addictive and has contributed to my
    moral failure. I praise God for His help in releasing
    me from it."

    An Eighteen-Year-Old Student From Indiana

    "'Christian rock' at one time really messed up my view of
    Christianity. I would listen to it and think, 'Look how
    Christianity is trying to blend in with the world.' . . . I have
    totally avoided this music and have considered it ungodly
    and unscriptural!"

    A Nineteen-Year-Old Student From Ohio
    And my two cents to these wonderful, liberated young
    people is to add what the Lord Jesus says about this
    subject of Christian 'rock'!

    Matt. 7:16: Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men
    gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    Matt. 7:17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good
    fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

    Matt. 7:18: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,
    neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    Matt. 7:19: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit
    is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    Matt. 7:20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


    I welcome any pms about this 'vital' subject!!

    'Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound
    that 'saved' a wretch like me.'by John Newton

    Now that's 'Christian, anointed music that fits scripture!

    FYI. These are the Christian artists we always listen to:

    John M. Talbot, Maranatha singers, Paul Wilbur [Messianic
    Music] Lamb and Light Classical Music.

    Scroll down for answer to top post question:

    " Who said it?"

    Answer: Adolf Hitler ! !

    Most people don’t know, but Hitler claimed to be a Christian.
    In fact, Hitler’s campaign was "Positive Christianity". Because
    Hitler professed to be a Christian, should we just "ignore" the
    terrible acts he did?

    Should we read Matthew 7:1, "Judge not, that ye be not
    judged" and say "What gives you the right to judge
    Hitler?" [Christian Conemporary Music] Nonsense. We
    as Christians are to expose and "judge" ERROR by the word
    of God.

    1Cor. 2:15: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he
    himself is judged of no man.
  5. Set Free,
    I have never listen to Rock Christian music, so on that subject I will have to take your advice. I however do listen to and sometimes sing in church songs by Amy Grant such as Fathers Eyes , some are produced by Sound Tracts witch include, When He Was on the Cross, Go Light You world, Feel the Nails and On My Knees, Could You Walk A Mile, Satan Your a Liar and others. These songs have beatiful edifiying lyris that I feel praise the Lord. This type of music I don't feel are sinnful in anyway. I still love to sing, Amazeing Grace , Church in the Vail, The Old Rugged Cross ect.
  6. music...

    I would love to see a church that is really a Messianic Synagogue, but plays non-screaming metal with good thrash, head banging but with a twist - bagpipes, middle eastern Judaic musical influences, Hebrew and English lyrics both, and heavy drums! :lol: Oh yeah, and the Shofar as an instrument of warfare and music. :lol:

    Personally, I love some of the old hymns, love ethnic music, Messianic Judaic, Judaic, metal, rock, industrial, goth, German industrial especially, Russian music, and some Opera and Classical. With this mix of tastes, I can rarely go wrong where ever I go.

    And yes, I DO agree with you fully! It is about time that we stop throwing out the baby with the bathwater because it isn't 'our' taste in music or musical beliefs. I think it is also about time some people read their Bibles for themselves. I remember the 'brothers' Peter brothers??? that were preaching about how bad christian rock was and that there was this evil beat. They were saying that beats that are a certain way (for example on the 1 & 3 instead of the 2 & 4) were evil. :roll: Fortunately, they have been largely debunked since then. They supported whatever beat that hymns were wrote in, and I forget the difference.
  7. Brother Jeff.

    Personally I prefer the Church Hyms during the Sunday Service at the Church that I have gone back to.
    I love reading out of the Hymnal, and trying my best to sing along with the songs.
    I was Blessed last year to have come across an old Hymnal that I bought for a few dollars. Its from the 1950's and it has a great many of the hyms I love, such as "What a freind we have in Jesus".

    Brother Joe.

    The post you wrote is simply amazing, Im being as honest as I can here. This took alot of time, reaserch, and Prayer to do. It is very well writen and spoke to my soul in a very serious way.
    I must admit when I first saw it I could not believe how long it was and I was not sure if I wanted to read it when I did, but Im glad I took the time to read it. It was well worth the time.

    Now I will take what Im feeling in my heart & Soul in Prayer and seek the Lord.

    You have given me alot too think about. Thank you dear Brother. :)
  8. At church, I enjoy the old hymns the most. The praise & worship music is okay. But, I listen almost exclusively to Southern Gospel music at home an in my car.

    By the way, do you know what praise & worhsip music has in common with a machine gun?

    They both have 99 rounds!

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