Good catch.
Though wouldn't it appear that the song is pointing out Hosea's reference?
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Though wouldn't it appear that the song is pointing out Hosea's reference?
Interesting. I would say that all aesthetics are of God. He being present in all that is good and all that is beautiful. I'm still not sure how I feel about liturgical music though.
Liturgical music is music used for worship.
While all aesthetics are of God, aesthetics can be abused and dishonor Him. You know this. Pornography is an abuse of something He created -- sexuality. Not meaning to be crass with that example, but the principle is still there.
That would depend on who is defining 'good' and 'beautiful'.
If God is defining what is good and beautiful, I would agree. If fallen man is doing the defining then I would question the verity of the definition.
Then you think that goodness and beauty are subjective. Interesting thought.
- As for liturgical music, I'm not sure if I agree that modern music should be ruled out, but I've been slowly coming to appreciate tradition more and more.
-In the example you give, I would say that such sexual sins are baser forms of the truly aesthetic. The illusion of beauty is but a shadow; it retains the form, but fails to actualize itself. Its failure is not so much an abuse of beauty, but a failure to fully realize the true beauty.
If my memory serves me, C.S. Lewis hints at a similar thought, something about settling for making mudpies when we could vacation on the beach.
Not entirely.
If goodness and beauty are defined by God then I would see that as an objective reality.
If they are objective, then the definitions of "fallen man" would either converge with the truth or else be objectively false.
Also, I would hesitate at the wording of God "defining" goodness and beauty (true in a sense, but perhaps misleading).
Goodness and beauty are God. Goodness cannot exist separately from God. All that is Good is of God; Goodness is the ontological nature of God.
Absolutely. To quote Pope Saint John Paul II, "The problem with pornography isn't that it shows too much of the person, but far too little."
When I said an abuse, I meant a perversion -- and not just of sexuality.
And which would you promote?
That seems to me to be pure unadulterated Pantheism. An early morning scene in a rain Forrest with sunlight being reflected by a myriad of dew drops sitting in the symmetrical and intricate perfection of spider webs and being diffused by a rising mist. That is but one example of beauty, but it is not God..it is a creation of God nothing more.
Theologically speaking, goodness is only one of the defining attributes of God. Your statement that 'goodness is the ontological nature of God' shows me that you do not fully understand either ontology or the theology of God. As I cautioned you, this is not the place for apologetics and you should not venture there.
The "Christian" music industry is a rough place... "Dog eat dog" doesn't do it justice... It's been said that the pressures on those musicians dwarf the pressure that secular musicians face... There have been quite a few high profile Christian artists who have vowed to never step foot into the "Christian Music Industry" again because of this..... The News Boys have been near the top for a LONG time now in an industry that eats it's own - my guess is that it finally caught up with them...
The one solace about this fellow is that God knows his own... He will in no means lose that which has been put into his hands...
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As to a person "losing their faith", you cannot lose what you never had.
No one visits China, and decades later comes to the conclusion "I really don't believe China exists".
Same with Christianity, no one can actually have known God, even in the slightest, and later come to the conclusion that HE does not exist. All this is latent atheism coming to it's full fruition.
Personally, I have rather eclectic musical tastes. I like classical, particularly Tchaichovsky and Handel, heavy metal, and some 80s pop. I'm also very fond of the sounds of the wild, especially the spring peepers and the wind in the forest.
No one visits China, and decades later comes to the conclusion "I really don't believe China exists".
Same with Christianity, no one can actually have known God, even in the slightest, and later come to the conclusion that HE does not exist. All this is latent atheism coming to it's full fruition.
Personally, I have rather eclectic musical tastes. I like classical, particularly Tchaichovsky and Handel, heavy metal, and some 80s pop. I'm also very fond of the sounds of the wild, especially the spring peepers and the wind in the forest.
This portion of scripture came to mind: Philippians 1:15-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.
Rev 5:5
um. People not reading their Bibles again.
The lion prevailed to open the book and let loose the seals.
But only the LAMB is worthy to unseal the book. He took it from the LION (i.e. Satan, who is the god of this world) and defeated the enemy.
I have never heard of Jesus being referred to as the 'lion'. How stupid is that. Sorry. I think ppl read too much CS Lewis and not enough Holy Bible. How can they miss such an important verse which is right there beneath. As well as Peter's letter. IDK.
The lion prevailed to open the book and let loose the seals.
But only the LAMB is worthy to unseal the book. He took it from the LION (i.e. Satan, who is the god of this world) and defeated the enemy.
I have never heard of Jesus being referred to as the 'lion'. How stupid is that. Sorry. I think ppl read too much CS Lewis and not enough Holy Bible. How can they miss such an important verse which is right there beneath. As well as Peter's letter. IDK.
I like to hear birds singing. Most all of them sound so much better than humans. But I do have favourite singers. Karen Carpenter (like an angel!) Carpenters music...anything carpenters lol.
We are meant to sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs and make melody in our hearts. It never says in the bible to be a rock star. So all those that are posing as them and being like the world..meh.
Even Elvis Presley hated rock and roll after he realised his true calling was to sing gospel and declare the awesome wonder of God rather than that commercial crap. Sorry.
We are meant to sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs and make melody in our hearts. It never says in the bible to be a rock star. So all those that are posing as them and being like the world..meh.
Even Elvis Presley hated rock and roll after he realised his true calling was to sing gospel and declare the awesome wonder of God rather than that commercial crap. Sorry.