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Christian hate

Discussion in 'Answers' started by Still_Life, May 20, 2009.

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  1. Christian hate

    Just wondering why there is so much hate going around in the Christian community for a religion supposedly based on forgiveness and love.

    Homosexuality being a prime example, where in your Bible does it give you the right to pass judgement on people purely based on their sexual preference?

    Then there's Islam, the majority of Christians I have spoken with seem to have very closed-minded views on the muslim religion as a whole. They are not all hate-filled terrorists, just like not all Christians are luring young idiots in and taking their money with the promise of salvation.

    Only God shall pass judgement, something alot of you seem to be forgetting.

    So I'm really wondering how anyone can take Christianity seriously when most Christians do not take it seriously themselves.
     
  2. First I would say that many call themselves by His Name and never know Him.

    Second:
    I do not hate homosexuals but out of the great love He imparts I have a longing to see them set free from a lifestyle that can do nothing but cause them harm. The truth spoken in love is real love.

    As far as Muslims- I do not hate a single one of them. They serve an false god who was not anything more than a stone idol. This is a terrible bondage. If one truly follows Christ he will bring life and freedom.
    If one truly follows the Koran he will at the very least put others in bondage and at the worst seek to take their lives.
    The fruit of the two are night and day.

    So in both cases speaking the truth in love is both necessary and it would be a complete lack of caring not to do so.
     
  3. Perhaps you are attending the wrong church. There are churches teaching false doctrines and pastors teaching all sorts of personal agenda's rather than the Word of God.
    It sounds as though you have found yourself in one.
    I recommend you get far away from that, as it will eventually rub off on you and cloud your decisions. :)
     
  4. I could ask the same question. Sadly, we have people who feel they are justified for harboring such feelings, but this is not everyone.

    Nowhere. That is someone's idea. I have nothing against homosexuals as long as they don't force me to believe, do, or say anything I don't want to. They are people just like us and should be given no lesser or greater respect because of it.

    Dear, it's not only Christians its even regular people. Media has molded this image of Muslims as suicidal bombers who will blow you up by any chance. If people actually took the time to research for themselves, maybe we wouldn't have so much confusion as we do now.

    You are correct, but, I can't expect everyone to do the same. No one is perfect and we all have our faults and weaknesses. And, I can understand how you are feeling, I have felt the same. But I can no longer judge or point fingers at other Christians because then I am doing exactly what I am saying they are doing...judging. It is best to let God handle it.

    Again, we cannot expect everyone to be this perfect, "by-the-book" Christian. You have the hypocrites and then you have the clean ones. Its a bunch of 'mixed nuts', so to speak. :)
     
  5. I love everyone, that is an awesome gift that the LORD gives to you, when you recieve HIS wonderful salvation.
    But, I do not love the ways of sinners. I do not believe in homosexuality, it is wrong and this is not a pass of judgment, but from the Bible.
    As far as the muslim religion, i agree that they are not all terrorists, i don't believe in what they do, but it doesn't make them bad people, they are just lost.

    But, really i feel like this post is doing exactly what you are talking about. You are passing judgement on christians. We donot all hate, any true christian does not hate anyone, we love them all, even if we do not believe the same way.
     
  6. Only God knows the heart and only God knows those that belong to Him. I do believe that you have been mis-informed. We do not hate but we are commanded by God to love one another as I love you. We don't judge because our Father said that all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. We don't judge lest we be judged. This is what God told us. God said to judge not and you will not be judged. God is the only Judge in Heaven and on Earth.

    As far as homosexuality, I don't hate homosexuals we are instructed to pray for them.
    Muslims, well just like moderator Bo, stated, they serve a false God. We can only pray that their eyes and heart open to the truth.

    I really don't understand where you got your information that we hate so much, but we don't. Everything you are saying here is completely the opposite of what the Bible instructs us to do. Maybe you should stay away from the person who is feeding you this bad information before you get further into bondage than you seem to be heading.

    Godbe4me
     
  7. Still_life, I offer you this. It is unBiblical for any Christian to pass judgement on anyone outside of the Church. Those that do so, are in error, and they will be judged for their actions. We are to love our neighbors as ourselves, as Christ loves us. But love means honesty. It means telling someone when they are heading to destruction, as Larry(Boanerges) said. A love that does not offer correction in spite of the cost of the relationship, is a self serving love, and therfore a false love. This is not the love of our Father and Savior. So saying that homosexuality is a sin, and those who willfully engage in it are going to Hell is not in itself a judgement of men by men(a), it is a fact of God's intolerance for anything that is considered sin, not just homoesuality(b). However, that simple fact has been presented by many Christians in such a manner that it becomes (a) instead of (b), and this is wrong. On the flip side though, it is also true(in my own experience, and it can be seen on this site even) that the statement was actually delivered as (b) but was recieved as (a), and the deliverer of the statement is now seen as intolerant,bigoted and holier than thou.

    To the second point, no not all Muslim people are terrorists. But unfortunately, if you are following the news, the Muslim sects that hold the most power and influence are the ones that have used terror and warfare to gain and grow their positions. These are also the sects that execute those of their faith that are homosexual, or for converting to Christianity. So who would you say is the more intolerant and judgemental, those muslim sects, or Christians?
     
  8. Amen.

    I liked your example of parenting, that fits perfectly.

    Say my daughter is riding her bicycle in a busy intersection.

    What if I go out and smack her backside with a belt, but say nothing at all? Take her bike away, tell her not to do that, and then turn away from her?

    That happens in the church far too often.

    "HEY! What's the matter with YOU!? The Bible says not to commit adultery! What are you some kind of nympho? You're out of here!"

    "You kids can't go out fishing alone, God only knows what sorts of sexual things you will be doing out of wedlock!"

    "What do you mean you had sex with another man!? God forbid that too, you're no Christian! You're a sinner!"

    And that is far too often exactly what people get from the church.
    No explaination, no understanding, no reasons for anything, just rebuke.

    As Christians and ambassadors for Christ, we have a responsibility to teach, as He did. We need to help people understand the great blessings and benefits of remaining pure until marriage, of how destructive premarital sex is to a relationship.

    We need to help people understand the perfection and the beauty of marriage and of Godly relationships so that they do not turn outside of the marriage looking for something they are missing.

    We need to help people understand that there is more to life than just doing what feels good with no regard for others, for community, for the impact our actions have on our society, our children, our lifestyles.

    We need to help people understand that God does not want what is Good for us,..... God wants what is BEST for us, and nothing short of that will ever be enough.
     
  9. I agree, but let us not forget Eccleseastes 3, there is a time for everything.

    "BECAUSE I SAID SO" Has, (I must admit.) been said in my home. :eek:

    But you see, my home is not a democracy, my home is a totalitarian regime! :cool:

    You want democracy? .....then turn 18 and move out. :D
     
  10. In the very words of Jesus . . . (Matthew 7:1-3)

    "Judge not that you be not judged.
    For with what judgment you judge,
    you will be judged: and with the measure you use,
    it will be measured back to you.
    And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye,
    but do not consider the plank in you own eye?"

    I believe it's time we start pulling the planks out of our own eyes.

    Sin is sin.
    Struggle is struggle.
    Everyone sins. (Romans 3:23)
    Everyone struggles. (Romans 5:8)

    I believe homosexuality is a struggle just like any other struggle;
    regardless of how or why the struggle first manifested.

    Alcoholics struggle with alcohol.
    Drug addicts struggle with drugs.
    Porn addicts struggle with pornography.
    Sex addicts struggle with sex.
    Do these struggles make people any less Christian? NO!
    EVERYONE struggles with something.

    We do not have to be perfect at all times to be saved.
    If we are required to be perfect at all times to be a Christian, then none of us would be a Christian.
    If we are required to be perfect at all times to go to Heaven then none of us would go to Heaven.

    The only requirement for salvation is "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
    and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9).
    And, if you are SAVED you will go to Heaven when you die.
     
  11. 1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
    1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


    Only one who is walking close to the Master's heart may accurately discern and judge.


    I truly believe that if one is committed to Jesus with their whole heart they are His, struggling and stumbling cannot change that. That being said there is another class of church folk entirely and if you ask them they are quite saved:
    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


    Many call Him Lord , Lord but never knew Him. Choosing the world and it's pleasures over Christ they call themselves by His Name but never surrender their hearts to Him. These may do many works (outward expressions) but never really change in their hearts. These are the seed that fell on stony ground or were choked out by weeds.
    Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
    Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
    Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
    Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
    Mat 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

     
  12. Exactly! That's why it is so important for us to be very careful about how we treat one another; regardless if we agree with one another or not.

    We don't know what's going on in the heart's of people. Heck, sometimes I get a little baffled as to what's going on in my own heart. :D
     
  13. you have to put things into perspective,gay knowledge is taught at schools,but not Christ.about being gay the answer i get is this either you accuse God of putting you in the wrong sex body,which would be silly.or gays are influenced by satan.or gays are ok.and the answer to all three would still be they need Christ.

    christian hate.hate the people no,hate the evil spirit yes.


    about Christians ripping people off,many pretend to be christian,Christ tells us so.
     

  14. Amen Mike- hate the and love the sinner,:)
     
  15. In some churches it may be hate, but in others, Christians stand on God's unchanging word.
    Romans is a good start.

    You mentioned the Christian community, Islam is not Christian.

    God does not want a compromising Church with compromising people.

    Should Christianity be a religion that just accepts everything, just as most other religions are?

    Perhaps you should read scripture and try to understand before making remarks like this?
     
  16. From off the beaten path.....

    WOW!!!
    I have never seen this subject matter discussed in any christian forum or christian church.
    It means opening a huge can of hostile worms! How dare anyone!

    As a former evangelical-fundie churchian, I have always asked myself [and others - but that`s a serious faux pas!] the same question.
    Based on my 37 years of church membership experiences, I have arrived at the conclusion that anything ugly, including hate, that goes down in churches as well as with individual christians, has a connection with power, control and domination over others in some way.
    Whenever I looked beneath the surface problems and dug deep enough, that is what I discovered!
    The way I understand it, this power [over others] issue relates to the idea that there are superior and inferior human beings.
    The superior [or elect, chosen, special, greatest....if you prefer] people feel justified to mistreat [hate] those they deem beneath themselves BECAUSE they are supposedly less than.....or in certain cases even subhuman/unhuman.
    Because I have seen this horrible scenario played out amongst christians for so many years, I finally had to leave the church situations completely, just to save my sanity and to begin a slow, painful healing journey.
    Personally, I can handle non-christian hate, even atheist hate, much better than christian hate. After all, the non-christian haters do not get ugly in the name of Jesus, who has NOTHING to do with their hate!
    And the standard flimsy excuse for bad and cruel behaviors on the part of many [NOT all!] christians, that the haters are NOT REAL christians, is absolutely ridiculousl

    In spite of all this, I DO greatly appreciate those few christians I have been blessed to know, who are true lovers, not haters, and who treat others as Creator Jesus himself would have us do!
    I am just deeply saddened and disturbed by the majority/the rest of christian people.

    From someone outside of the "culturally correct" box.
     
  17. what the bible says

    What is the attitude of true Christians toward those who have a history of homosexuality?

    1*Cor. 6:9-11: “Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men .*.*. will inherit God’s kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean, but you have been sanctified, but you have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.” (Regardless of such a background, if persons now abandon their former unclean practices, apply Jehovah’s righteous standards, and exercise faith in his provision for forgiveness of sins through Christ, they can enjoy a clean standing before God. After reforming, they may be welcomed in the Christian congregation.)

    True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including those that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want to please Jehovah. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the past they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God’s will, the desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to develop self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper motivation, he can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard. Likewise, a person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by heeding the counsel of God’s Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices. (See Ephesians 4:17-24.) Jehovah does not allow us to go on thinking that wrong conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of the consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to “strip off the old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the new personality.”—Col. 3:9,*10.

    Is the Bible’s view regarding sex perhaps old-fashioned and needlessly restrictive?

    1 Thess. 4:3-8: “This is what God wills .*.*. that you abstain from fornication .*.*. So, then, the man that shows disregard is disregarding, not man, but God, who puts his holy spirit in you.” (The Bible’s view regarding sex is not simply something that was developed by certain humans who lived many years ago. It comes from mankind’s Creator; it makes clear what is required in order to have his approval; it also provides guidelines that contribute to stable families and wholesome, happy relationships outside the family. Those who apply this counsel safeguard themselves against the deep emotional scars and loathsome diseases that go with immoral conduct. The Bible’s counsel is very much up to date in meeting the needs of those who want a clean conscience before God and a life free from needless frustration.)
     
  18. Homosexuality IS love. A wonderful love. I assure you, I experience it every day. Nothing but great harm? That's just not true. If you mean that there is a higher risk of aids, well, that is simply because viruses love to bury into anal tissue. It applies to men and women alike.

    'Reformed' homosexuals suffer from things like depression, anxiety, and there tends to be a high rate in suicide from those who believe that what they are doing or thinking is wrong in the eyes of the lord, and so cannot go on living.

    We take your speech as an insult, even if it is meant out of love. It hurts to know that you believe we are wicked and impure in the eyes of your lord (the scripture of which is actually from a jewish book, but never mind). Why can you not just accept us for who we are? We will never be 'set free', even if you think we are 'reformed'.
     

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