Can't Eat Anything And Just Pray Over It.

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Bro.tan, May 25, 2014.

  1. Who gave Moses "The Dietary Law"? We will do a strange work which is seldom done today. We will allow the scripture to be our guide to answer that question, along with a few others that need to be addressed. After finding out who gave this law to Moses, we should have no problem following it, if we call ourselves Christians. Remember brothers and sisters Jesus, states in Matthew 5 and verse 18, "For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." We still have the heavens and the earth, correct? Those things indicate that the Lord's law still remains in tact. Those that read the Bible know that all has not been fulfilled, so His laws and statutes must be kept. In addition, we must also look at verses that some individuals think the subject in that particular verse or chapter is dealing with the "Dietary Law" when in fact has nothing to do with it. Those individuals try to uses Paul's writings to come to that conclusion. (As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. II Peter 3:16) The unquestionable fact is that the law of sacrifice was nailed to the cross, which was our schoolmaster to bring us onto Christ.


    Now, let’s see who gave the "Dietary Law" to Moses and the rest of the Children of Israel.
    And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, “Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, these are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.” (Leviticus 11:1-2) So, who spoke unto Moses and Aaron? The LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying, "These are the beasts which ye shall eat." Was this the Father? Well, let's allow the book show us.

    Take a Look at this verse in St. John chapter one. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 1:18)

    Note the verse says, "No man hath seen God at any time." Therefore, that covers all time correct. If no man has seen God at anytime who is this? And he said unto Moses, “Come up unto the LORD, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off.” (Exodus 24:1)

    We see in the above verse, Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu and seventy of the elders were told to come up unto the Lord and worship.


    Let's skip to the 9th verse and see what happen when these 74 Israelites arrive on top of the mount. Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink. (Exodus 24:9-11)

    Clearly the verse states, "They saw the God of Israel." The verse doesn't say it was a vision. But, St. John chapter one states, "No man has seen God at anytime.” Before we return to the Book of John and find out which God no man has seen at anytime, note what the next verse states.
    And the LORD said unto Moses, “Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.” (Exodus 24:12)

    So who wrote the Law that Moses was instructed to teach? The LORD! Now, let's find out which God is it that has not been seen. Take note!
    And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (John 5:37) So, who is the God that hasn't been seen? The Father himself, ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. Now, let's see who this God is that the seventy four elders saw in mount Horeb. Let us go to I Corinthians the tenth chapter and start at verse one.
    Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (I Corinthians 10:1-4)

    So, who was the God in the Mountain that gave Moses the Law? That God was CHRIST! Let's return to the fifth chapter of John and see who's name Christ came in.
    I am come in my Father's name and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. (John 5:43)

    So, you see brothers and sister “Jesus” in the Fathers name. I would be real careful when it comes to the name of Jesus. Now we see that Jesus Christ is the God that gave the commandments to Moses. We should have no problem doing what He says if we call ourselves followers of Christ.
     
  2. Now, let's take a look at the dietary law. We will begin in Leviticus the 11th chapter and start at the first verse.

    And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, “These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth. Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.” (Leviticus 11:1-3)
    that shall ye eat.” (Leviticus 11:1-3)

    Note what the Lord says to Moses, "Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat." Here the Lord gives us a description of the beast that we can eat. We may not know what a particular animal is, but by using this description we know if the beast is clean or unclean. Let's take a look at the beast that we shall not eat.

    Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the hare (rabbit), because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the swine (pig, pork), though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you. (Leviticus 11:4-8)

    These are the beasts that shall not be eaten. Why? Because the Lord said so! Take a look at this verse in the book of St. John. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you(John 15:14). So, if an individual call themselves a Christian or a friend of Christ, the swine (pig) should never be on your dinner plate or anything else that the Lord deems unclean.

    Remember that Christ is the ONE that gave the dietary law. Remember Christ was the Rock that followed our fathers in the cloud in the wilderness (1Corinthians 10:4).

    Remember, He is the Lord and He change not. Remember Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever (Hebrews 8:13! It has nothing to do with an animal being a scavenger or anything else.

    It has to do with thus say the Lord. He is the one that created us, HE knows what's good or not for His creation. Let's continue;

    These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. (Leviticus 11:9)
    If the fish has fins and scales it can be eaten. And if it doesn't we can’t.
    And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you. (Leviticus 11:10-12)

    So, no shellfish. You know the lobster, the crab, crayfish, oysters, snails, shrimps, etc. Those of you that like to eat catfish, it must not be eaten. The catfish has fins but it doesn't have scales. The Lord Jesus says these creatures are an abomination onto you and they shall not be eaten.
     
  3. Bro-tan---you are caught in a time warp. You do know that Jesus the Messiah has come and fulfilled the law, don't you? We are free people in Christ.

    Galatians 5:4 (NLT)
    For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.
     
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  4. Remember brothers and sisters Jesus, states in Matthew 5 and verse 18, "For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." We still have the heavens and the earth, correct? Those things indicate that the Lord's law still remains in tact. Those that read the Bible know that all has not been fulfilled, so His laws and statutes must be kept
     
  5. #5 Euphemia, May 25, 2014
    Last edited: May 25, 2014
    I guess you are not aware of what laws are remaining to be fulfilled. Your message is not of God. God set down the law so that we would trip over it. We cannot keep the law!

    Romans 5:20-21 (NLT)
    God’s law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were. But as people sinned more and more, God’s wonderful grace became more abundant. So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now God’s wonderful grace rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
     
  6. So we must keep ALL the law, or none of it right?.... Or Jesus fulfilled it just like He said!..:D

    Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
     
  7. 1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.:eek:
     
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  8. Where does it say in the Bible that the gentiles, let alone Christians, are under the old covenant?

    God allowed man to eat of any animal in Genesis 9:3. The dietary laws were given only to the Jews under the Mosaic covenant. We are not under that covenant.
     
  9. My dear, Bro tan is a "Judizer". I am sure you have read about them especially in Galatians where Paul warns us about them.
    They are people who reject the Work of Crist on the cross and insist that in addition to what Christ I, we must also keep the Law to get saved and to stay saved.

    He will not respond to any of your Biblical points and will instead refer only to his understanding with is rooted in works instead of grace.
     
  10. Jude speaks directly to those like Bro.tan, don't you think? False teachers!
     
  11. Bingo!!!!
     
  12. Bro.tan............this is not news to you, I have said it before to you and do so again now. Your comments are very disturbing and they speak more of a person working for heaven such as the JW's and not those of a Christian.

    You totally misunderstand and purposefully distort the Word of God to say what YOU think instead of what God said.

    In the text you post of Matthew 5 you missed the whole point of the teaching of Jesus. In communicating the depth of His message, He used a series of "contrasts" between the outward demands of the Law and the inner attitude of heart desired by God. In His series of contrasts we see the depth and dynamic of the teaching of Jesus which YOU have purposefully minimized to support your thinking.

    In the teaching of the Master teacher in Matthew 5, we discover the practical application of real genuine Christian character to true spiritual living. What we see is the gospel in action!!! Here is piety on the pavement of life. The Christian may live above the demands of the law and the temptations of the world because he has an inner depth of character which is the product of the divine nature within him, and not of the Law.

    Come on Brotan.....do some real study and make yourself a workman, not one who is ashamed of the gospel and leading others astray from the glorious gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
  13. Galatians 3:10-14
    10 For all who rely on works of the law are UNDER A CURSE; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by ALL THINGS written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that NO ONE is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by FAITH.”12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ REDEEMED us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through FAITH.
     
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  14. So Bro.tan, let me ask you a question...

    If an older man wants to become a child of God, must he be circumcised?
     
  15. Acts 10:10-16
    10 And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance 11 and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth. 12 In it were ALL KINDS of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God HAS MADE CLEAN, do not call common.” 16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.
     
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  16. So can we kill people now? :eek:
     
  17. only if your going to eat them...:eek:
     
  18. We are all adults here so take this comment further. If a man has had cancer or wounded in battle and has no mal genitilia, how can he even be circumcised.
     
  19. Colossians 2:15-17 (KJV)
    [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
     

  20. Lets continue in 1 Timothy 1: 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

    Yeah ...so Paul is saying a whole lot here people. How can a person be disobedient in God's eyes. How can a person be unholy or a sinner, because sin is transgression of the law. Lets read it in (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

    Paul said in (Titus 1:16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him; being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Yea, most people are talking about how they know God with their lips, but by they works they are doing something totally different. The Lord God commanded people to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy and most people deny him to his face by saying “I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday or Jesus died Good Friday and rose Easter Sunday Morning”.
     

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