Can A Christian Have A Demon?

Major said:
Sometimes, even believers get caught up in the excitement of what they perceive to be reality and before they no it, reality has been exaggerated, stretched, and manipulated into what THEY want that reality to be.

Example: Several years ago in a prayer meeting, one lovely sweet Christian lady told the assembly that Jesus Christ had personal came to her in the night, pulled two of her teeth and replaced them with Gold ones and the whole congregation was praising the Lord and shouting amen!

Afterwards, when the pastor talked to her, she told him that she had been to a dentist, he had pulled her teeth and replaced them with the gold teeth. She was 85 years old and she simply wanted God to get all the glory for her recovery. That WANT to lead her to stretch the story to make it appear that Jesus Himself had done the work for her. Of course in her mind that is what she wanted to happen.......so it did. Unfortunately, a lot of well meaning people only heard the original story and of course passed that along to others as truth. In a way it was, but in the strict understanding of what reality is, it was not truth to anyone except her.
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Exactly. This type of stuff happens all the time.
 
Other than the Spirit, Soul, and Body thing I completely agree. As a Christian I am just starting to realize the identity we are supposed to have as children of God. Before this realization I've battled negative thoughts and self-defeating attitudes. I don't think demons inhabited me per say, but they certainly influenced me with their lies.


( About the Spirit, Soul, and Body thing... I believe what Genesis teaches, and that we are a Soul comprised of Body and Spirit. Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (Body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (Spirit) ; and man became a living soul (Soul)." So yes essentially we are three parts, because the result of Body and Spirit is the Soul, which is our being and thoughts and feelings in a sense. But I don't think that the Soul is a separate part of us, more like a part of us made up from the other two. )
 
福井舞 said:
a very strange story, I wonder if she might have issues to come up with a bizarre story.

I cant think of a truly born again believer would be so bizarre.
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On the contrary my dear brother. It is very, very common and we call it a "miracle".

Here is another one from a well mature Christian man, a deacon in the church. During a time of testimony, he declared that Jesus came and drove his car through Atlanta Ga. According to him, He closed his eyes, took his hands off the steering wheel and let Jesus drive his car through the traffic.

Now that is a miracle isn't it???? It is only if you think this good man is telling the truth. I am sure "HE" thought he was but at times when the older saints do things, they get very confused and their wants overcome reality.

You see, we, Christians of all denominations want very much to see the manifestations that we read in the Bible. We WANT to speak in tongues, we WANT to see sick people being healed. We WANT to see the same might works that we see in the Bible so our mind tends to take over our reality and when anything we see is "questionable"...BOOM, it is a work of God, a real miracle. IS IT????

DO NOT misunderstand me and do not place words into my mouth. I also want to see those same things. I have always believed in miracles and healing. But as I have grown older I have come to realize two things.
1. There are lots and lots of "CHARLATANS" in the world who will say and do anything so that they can make a dollar off of men.
They will lie, steal and cheat in the name of the Lord to get what they want........."MONEY".
2. There was and always will be "GULIBLE" people in this world who will believe what a trickster will say to them, in order for
them to save that same dollar bill. If a "Charlatans" says something religious like......."The Lord has spoken to me last night will
I was praying. He said clearly to me just as if He was standing right in the same room with me. He said......You go and tell your
people that if they will give $1000.00 dollars to your ministry as a "Fleece", then I the Lord will give back to them 10 fold"!!!!!

People will hear it, believe it and do it. Not so much that they want to help any ministry but because they want the 10 FOLD profit.

That my friends is what is going on all over Religious TV and in Christian circles all over the land. It is sad, it is wrong and may God help us.
 
Cosmicwaffle said:
Other than the Spirit, Soul, and Body thing I completely agree. As a Christian I am just starting to realize the identity we are supposed to have as children of God. Before this realization I've battled negative thoughts and self-defeating attitudes. I don't think demons inhabited me per say, but they certainly influenced me with their lies.


( About the Spirit, Soul, and Body thing... I believe what Genesis teaches, and that we are a Soul comprised of Body and Spirit. Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (Body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (Spirit) ; and man became a living soul (Soul)." So yes essentially we are three parts, because the result of Body and Spirit is the Soul, which is our being and thoughts and feelings in a sense. But I don't think that the Soul is a separate part of us, more like a part of us made up from the other two. )
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Agreed! Oppression is something we all encounter. Being possessed is something totally different.
 
christianbacktobasics said:
Hello Ephemia, I must admit I've tried to read what you've written above but keep being distracted by the hussle and bussle of the house but I get your thread and basically agree. I think you said elsewhere that we are indeed a triune being with Spirit, soul and body and two direct opposite natures seeking to govern our lives, the spirit (no darkness at all) and the flesh (dwells no good thing). I think we're of the same mind that a Christian might not be able to be possessed (unless they fall away) but in our flesh dwells no good thing, those who walk on the flesh or are in-experienced Christians, can be very vunerable to attack of the enemy and as you've testified of, in some severe ways.

I would share that we've been involved in casting out spirits in an unbeliever's lives and casting away (i'll term it) some pretty severe spirits which have gained a foothold in Christian's lives, very real and I think we ignore or marginalise these events at our peril.....
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Then if that is the case you will have to reject "once saved always saved".

I would have to disagree then with you and say that the person you believed "Walked away" was never saved to begin with.
 
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Cosmicwaffle said:
No idea, just noticed. Tried to send her a message and it said I couldn't, then I looked at her profile and it says "Banned".
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I know she was an admitted believer in the "Word of Faith" side of Penacostlism, and refused to respond on the doctrine of the Trinity but I did not know she was banned.

I wonder if I should remove my picture before I get banned for being ugly????
 
Major said:
I know she was an admitted believer in the "Word of Faith" side of Penacostlism, and refused to respond on the doctrine of the Trinity but I did not know she was banned.

I wonder if I should remove my picture before I get banned for being ugly????
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LOL. It is a shame that she is banned because she is so obviously a child of God. Problem is when people find any doctrinal differences they dismiss a person as a heretic.
 
christianbacktobasics said:
Hello Ephemia, I must admit I've tried to read what you've written above but keep being distracted by the hussle and bussle of the house but I get your thread and basically agree. I think you said elsewhere that we are indeed a triune being with Spirit, soul and body and two direct opposite natures seeking to govern our lives, the spirit (no darkness at all) and the flesh (dwells no good thing). I think we're of the same mind that a Christian might not be able to be possessed (unless they fall away) but in our flesh dwells no good thing, those who walk on the flesh or are in-experienced Christians, can be very vunerable to attack of the enemy and as you've testified of, in some severe ways.

I would share that we've been involved in casting out spirits in an unbeliever's lives and casting away (i'll term it) some pretty severe spirits which have gained a foothold in Christian's lives, very real and I think we ignore or marginalise these events at our peril.....
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I am coureous. How did you determine that the individual was possessed?
 
Cosmicwaffle said:
LOL. It is a shame that she is banned because she is so obviously a child of God. Problem is when people find any doctrinal differences they dismiss a person as a heretic.
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Not to argue with you, but some things are a must for anyone to be a believer. Sometimes the obvious is the hardest to grasp.

Do not read anything into that at all. I do not know anything.

I do know that the moderators are very good and they would not take such an action unless there was something there that was very important. There do not take any fun away from such an action, that is for sure.

As I said, there were several things that I discussed with her and it was clear she had an agenda and did not come here to learn and grow. Now that is just my opinion.
 
Major said:
Not to argue with you, but some things are a must for anyone to be a believer. Sometimes the obvious is the hardest to grasp.

Do not read anything into that at all. I do not know anything.

I do know that the moderators are very good and they would not take such an action unless there was something there that was very important. There do not take any fun away from such an action, that is for sure.

As I said, there were several things that I discussed with her and it was clear she had an agenda and did not come here to learn and grow. Now that is just my opinion.
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As long as she is in Christ her agendas are fine with me. :)
 
福井舞 said:
I personally think western Christians tend to under estimate what the evil spirit is truly capable of. As someone who was originally from Asia, where the environment seem to be somehow "more friendly" to this type of thing, we have so many temples, shrines and idols, as well as non Christian religious practices, I have heard of so many horror stories of what possession of evil spirits can be like.

I remember read about this event involved this Asian Christian ( I cant remember where it happened, could have been Singapore), he slipped one day and went into a R Rated cinema and seen a pornographic film ( that was pre internet days), anyway, sometime afterwards he attended this bible study, in the end the group leader went around the room, trying to pray for each person as usual, and when he got to this brother in Christ, he tried to pray for him, but he literally couldn't, the words just cant seem to leave his mouth.

At that point, he knew something was seriously wrong with this brother in Christ.

Anyway, long story short, a chilling voice ended up coming out of this brother's mouth, and declared itself to be an evil spirit, and basically told the group that it wasn't going to come out that easily, the entire group ended up praying fervently for this brother on the spot, and I think he ended up being thrown onto the ground and screamed or something as the evil spirit was forced to leave him.

one of my relatives friend ( he is not Christian though) , who was into some kind of meditation, also ended up invited evil spirits to come in, in the end he actually beginning to see the spirit, who literally wont leave him alone, he killed himself in the end.

I have also been told by other Asian Christians before that just because Holy Spirit is in us doesn't necessarily means the evil spirit can possess us.

So yes, I think evil spirits can do far more than just mess with our minds.

if they were able to possess people in the days when Jesus walked this earth, today is no different.
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You sure this brother in Christ was really saved?
 
福井舞 said:
I agree

that why I said that woman who claimed Jesus has issues.

or she was just plain liar.

either way, she most likely was not believer.








DO NOT? let get one thing straight here, I am not a mind reader, I can only go by what you say, not what you HAVE NOT SAID.

and communication is always inexact process, if you feel people misinterpret what you said on this forum, then it is YOUR JOB to clarify and elaborate,




well, I have never said you do not want to see those things, nor have I said you don't believe in miracles and healings.

in fact, I never assumed that about you

I can tell you are a true believer, so why a would a true believer not believe in those things?










I agree.
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Those were just general statements made to anyone reading, NOT personally to you my friend.
You know how some people tend to say......"you said" when in fact that was never the case.
 
福井舞 said:
thanks for clearing things up

I can see where you are coming from

though it would nice if you can stop using capitals letters when addressing me on this forum

I don't know about in the US. here in New Zealand, using capital letters or bolded letters to others in electronic communications is considered extremely rude and uncalled for.

in all fairness, without your clarification, I do think most people in my shoes would think you were being personal.

God Bless:)
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Wow really? I use them to put emphasis on what I'm saying. But then I use them for yelling too. LOL (I'm not yelling). :p
 
Oh,oh,oh this is too good.
The answer is yes, my pastor did deliverence on us .and man, whoo, im just glad didnt call me to cast out spirits.

When my pastor was casting the spirit of anger out of my brother, it'd say things like , " I don't want to go..ect"
And with me they were saying things like, you need us ect..
And my other brother was getting pride cast out..

Its creepy, but this stuff is real.
 
Major said:
I do know that the moderators are very good and they would not take such an action unless there was something there that was very important. There do not take any fun away from such an action, that is for sure.

As I said, there were several things that I discussed with her and it was clear she had an agenda and did not come here to learn and grow. Now that is just my opinion.
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100% agree with you.

I remember a time when I disagreed with you on a post, but then you provided biblical evidence. At that point I said you were correct. I was not offended, I was happy to learn from you.

Scripture says "For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."
 
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